illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 The owner is suppose to the BOSS. Not santa clause. He should rehaul the scounting department on his own. That's the whole point, though. Snyder knew that he couldn't do it his way, or Spurriers way so he brought in the only guy who he KNEW could get things turned around and that man was Gibbs. So now we're blaming Snyder for hiring Gibbs back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 IVinny according to you guys just makes the deal? I thought that was Eric Mendez?We do not know anything. Its just talk. Mendez hasn't been here for several years. You don't know anything. It's just talk. :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpnasty Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 i'm with you man, i'm tired of all the mystery... 1. why isn't TJ geting more carries, why did we sign him in the first place??? 2. why the **** is Brunell still on the field???, somebody shoot his ass in the FOOT or something... 3. and last but not least STOP giving away our future picks... look at the chargers, ravens, and pats... they don't spend half as much as we do in the offseason but they draft wisely... NO DRAFT=NO FUTURE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 It's happening because it's easier to do then blame an icon.I could never imagine the day that I would begin to lose faith in Joe Freakin' Gibbs. Never. Yet that day is here and it hurts me deeply. It would be much easier if my mind would allow me to ignore the obvious and point the finger of blame in another direction. But that would be intellectually dishonest and I know that JJG wouldn't respect that. Snyder is the perfect scape goat. Rich, doesn't speak to the public much, owns the best (financial) NFL franchise. It's easy to hate him because he is living the American dream that 99% of this country wants. How many people on this board would turn down his gig? Gibbs on the other hand gets to stand in front of the public eye every week and think of new excuses as to why the team isn't winning. Nobody would want that job especially now. Snyder gets to wake up tomorrow and make tens of millions regardless if the Skins win or lose. Gibbs wakes up tomorrow and gets one step closer to a stroke or heart attack while he tries to repair a horrible football team that he messed up. Yep, I'll take Snyder's job please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Mendez hasn't been here for several years.You don't know anything. It's just talk. :poke: So what did Vinny do when Mendez was here before? Bureaucracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder is the perfect scape goat. Rich, doesn't speak to the public much, owns the best (financial) NFL franchise. It's easy to hate him because he is living the American dream that 99% of this country wants. How many people on this board would turn down his gig?Gibbs on the other hand gets to stand in front of the public eye every week and think of new excuses as to why the team isn't winning. Nobody would want that job especially now. Snyder gets to wake up tomorrow and make tens of millions regardless if the Skins win or lose. Gibbs wakes up tomorrow and gets one step closer to a stroke or heart attack while he tries to repair a horrible football team that he messed up. Yep, I'll take Snyder's job please. Or he has 5 head coaches in 6 yrs. I think that is a trend? I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. D Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 "It's always easy to make excuses. But good coaches don't need them. Eric Mangini, a rookie HC with 4-12 talent, is coaching circles around Gibbs. Implementing new systems? Starting rookies all over the field? A QB with a "weak" arm? Overcome adversity and get your team to overachieve. That's a head coach's job. It's what Mangini has done. Ditto Payton." OUCH! Truth hurts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Or he has 5 head coaches in 6 yrs. I think that is a trend? I am not sure. He's only had one for the past 3 seasons, also. Is that a trend? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Or he has 5 head coaches in 6 yrs. I think that is a trend? I am not sure. If you have nothing of substance to add to the thread then why are you here? I've asked you several questions in this thread that you continue to avoid. I'll try this once more. Are you blaming Snyder for hiring Gibbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 He's only had one for the past 3 seasons, also. Is that a trend? I'm not sure. Ok so who is to blame. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Vinny / Snyder , " REDSKINS ONE" since 2000 as soon as free agency hits the Jet is loaded. Or coach Gibbs. A coach who is failing like all the others behind him. I am losing my mind? Maybe the problem is not coaching. Its the way they get players, the players they chose. AFTER ALL. Players are the guys who make the plays. And after all, Al Saunders and Greg Williams are suppose to be the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 If you have nothing of substance to add to the thread then why are you here?I've asked you several questions in this thread that you continue to avoid. I'll try this once more. Are you blaming Snyder for hiring Gibbs? I am blaming Snyder for not getting a GM to go along with Gibbs. I do not think coaching and being a president go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Ok so who is to blame. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM You are reading the posts, aren't you? Hmmmmmmmmmm? I have clearly stated that the blame lies at the feet of Coach Gibbs in a number of responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin81 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Coach Gibbs always takes full blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 You are reading the posts, aren't you? Hmmmmmmmmmm?I have clearly stated that the blame lies at the feet of Coach Gibbs in a number of responses. Ok the blame goes to coach Gibbs. What are we going to do about it? Hire a GM so he can get back to coaching? So he can get back to play calling. Or are we just going to tell him fix it ! Lets do what the Seahawks did, take the GM role away and tell their head coach, get on your toes. Lets stop making Gibbs boss. And be a real franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I am blaming Snyder for not getting a GM to go along with Gibbs.I do not think coaching and being a president go together. Wouldn't part of that blame go on Gibbs too though? He did afterall take the title of Team President and is still overseeing FA moves. You're entirely missing the point here- concerning the whole team, Snyder will let Gibbs do what he wants with it. If Gibbs wanted a GM, he'd get a GM, plain and simple. Gibbs clearly hasn't thought about getting a GM, and yet somehow you're putting that on Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Its the way they get players, the players they chose. i hope you realize that with this statement, you are now arguing against yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I am blaming Snyder for not getting a GM to go along with Gibbs.I do not think coaching and being a president go together. Snyder trusted Gibbs to take care of that when Gibbs signed back on in 2004. What part of that don't you understant? If Gibbs went to Dan and admitted the Redskins needed a GM, we'd have one. It's no Snyder's fault that he trusted Gibbs. EVERY Skins fan in the world trusted Gibbs and thought he would save the franchise when he came back. Were you a Skins fan in 2004? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Wouldn't part of that blame go on Gibbs too though? He did afterall take the title of Team President and is still overseeing FA moves. You're entirely missing the point here- concerning the whole team, Snyder will let Gibbs do what he wants with it. If Gibbs wanted a GM, he'd get a GM, plain and simple. Gibbs clearly hasn't thought about getting a GM, and yet somehow you're putting that on Snyder. A GM is not what Snyder wants. If you heard Spurrier when he was here , he said " that is not what the owner wants here" He fired Marty because he did not have enough control, Spurrier wanted a GM , and made little cryptic comments about how he admires other teams structures. A GM is something Snyder does want. Being part of a teams daily operations is part of his fetish. He would not feel good about giving complete control to a powerful GM. That means he would not be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder handed the keys to the kingdom to Gibbs in 04, the sorry state of the franchise is now all on Joe Gibbs. If Snyder does try and take the keys back and give them to someone else (new GM), don't be surprised when Gibbs pulls a Marty and resigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 He would not feel good about giving complete control to a powerful GM. That means he would not be involved. so i guess everybody is lying. gibbs is lying, and he really doesn't make the decisions. you're becoming less credible w/ every post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 If Snyder does try and take the keys back and give them to someone else (new GM), don't be surprised when Gibbs pulls a Marty and resigns. I don't agree with this. Gibbs handed the offense over the Al, I see no reason why he wouldn't stay on to work with a real GM. That's how the team was set up back in the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder trusted Gibbs to take care of that when Gibbs signed back on in 2004.What part of that don't you understant? If Gibbs went to Dan and admitted the Redskins needed a GM, we'd have one. It's no Snyder's fault that he trusted Gibbs. EVERY Skins fan in the world trusted Gibbs and thought he would save the franchise when he came back. Were you a Skins fan in 2004? lol No point in debating I think you made my point. Snyder is like a fan. He just trust Gibbs to run the team. He is not a good owner. A good owner would put his coach in best position to win. Not just trust him . Ownership should mean leadship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo YaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaYYY! Too bad it took you this long to lose the Die Hard B.S. and see the writing was on the wall. We'll see Campbell and just like Gibb's first year with Boonell, it'll be too little too late! WE SUCK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 so i guess everybody is lying. gibbs is lying, and he really doesn't make the decisions. you're becoming less credible w/ every post. I understand, you are from WV:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 No point in debating I think you made my point. Snyder is like a fan. He just trust Gibbs to run the team. He is not a good owner.A good owner would put his coach in best position to win. Not just trust him . Ownership should mean leadship. were you saying this when he was hands on? i highly doubt it. a good leader knows what he's good at and what he isn't. football decisions are not what snyder is good at. marketing is, and he's highly successful at his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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