skinsrevival Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 pretty much what i expected. no one wants to hold gibbs accountable. we blame brunell, we blame saunders, we blame snyder, we blame vinny, we blame the refs....... No one wants to hold Gibbs accountable because of his superbowl trophies. I have the utmost respect for Gibbs, but he needs to be held accountable. He lobbied for Saunders, he gave play calling duties over, he has Brunell in the game and protects him no matter how lousy he plays. And all he says is we fought our guts out, and we have to go back and look at everything. I think he really needs to look at himself and some of the decisions he's made this year. Brian Billick fired Fassel in Baltimore to regain control of offensive playcalling. Not saying Gibbs should do that, but ultimately he's in control of what goes on on the playing field. Gibbs has made poor decisions this year: Brunell starting despite being over the hill, draft pick traded for Duckett and Duckett rides the pine, etc, etc... Time to man up Joe... The 3 superbowls were nice, I watched and cheered everyone of them... That was then this is now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 A bunch of idiots in this thread. There's no doubt Gibbs is completely in charge of personnel and team decisions and has been since he returned. I still love the guy, I don't want him to leave or get fired, but this team IS his responsiblity. I got your back, Major :gang: You Snyder fans do not get it. HE SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF IT. THAT IS EVERYONES POINT. IT was not BESTOWED ON HIM. Snyder made him president , head coach and GM. He accepted it so he does deserve responsbility, but the owner should always take the blame if his organization fails. This is his 5th head coach in 6 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEPHEAD Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Maybe becase Gibbs is proven? He has beat Joe Montana and the 86 Bears in the playoffs.What as Snyder done? Thats life, your resume is your crediblity. When did Joe Montana play?? And the 86 Bears:rolleyes: Dude, you don't live off of what you did in the past, it's what you're doing now. Not last year, the year before or 20 years ago. This team is in big trouble and it's only getting worse. No pass rusher to speak of. A O-Line that is getting worse by the game. A secondary that is terrible. A middle LB that had no tackles or assists today. No draft picls and no depth and you're gonna talk about 20 years ago. The times, they're a changin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I wish I knew what the problem was. I really do. We could try to blame it on Brunell, but that long pass to Lloyd was as beautiful as throw as you will ever see. I guess he can still throw it. Is it the playcalling? Is it that for some crazy reason Brunell doesn't have the juevos to throw it down the field for the most part? Is Gibbs still handcuffing the offense notwithstanding the "official" version of who is running the offense? I really don't know. I am as perplexed as I can be. I have thought my guts out ( ) and still can't figure it out. Maybe that's why I just watch the games now and don't feel anything anymore. And that is sad. I guess I will put it on Gibbs because he is ultimately accountable and I really don't know where the heck else to put it! Man! Hurts my heart to write that last sentence.... Come on, guys. You can't do this to us anymore. You just can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanAnt Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Major Harris get a clue. Mr Snyder taking a back seat? Go to Redskins.com and see him on the sidelines giving Portis a high five when he was running before the game. What the hell does that have to do with anything? So he's a fan at heart and gives our BEST player a HF. What is wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 You Snyder fans do not get it. HE SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF IT.THAT IS EVERYONES POINT. IT was not BESTOWED ON HIM. Snyder made him president , head coach and GM. He accepted it so he does deserve responsbility, but the owner should always take the blame if his organization fails. This is his 5th head coach in 6 yrs. So he should take the blame, just because of his title, even though he doesn't make any of the decisions? Are you saying Synder should meddle more? What the hell are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Of course Coach Gibbs is responsible for the product on the field. He would be the first to tell you that. Classy? Without question. Beyond criticism at this point? Absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 So he should take the blame, just because of his title, even though he doesn't make any of the decisions? Are you saying Synder should meddle more? What the hell are you trying to say? I AM SAYING SNYDER SHOULD GET A GM A GENERAL MANAGER. A guy who right now is not COACHING. He is looking at college kids, he is talking to scouts. A GM. I know you may not know what that is. But it is pretty important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEPHEAD Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 you are retarded go have sex with your cousins Your 31 years old???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 It's always easy to make excuses. But good coaches don't need them. Eric Mangini, a rookie HC with 4-12 talent, is coaching circles around Gibbs. Implementing new systems? Starting rookies all over the field? A QB with a "weak" arm? Overcome adversity and get your team to overachieve. That's a head coach's job. It's what Mangini has done. Ditto Payton. The longer the Skins keep insisting Gibbs is a quality head coach, the longer the rest of the NFL will smirk and keep collecting Ws against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsbosoxheels Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 All i know is...You don't read "In Gibbs We Trust" very much anymore...Reality is starting to settle in for All Skins fans!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 You Snyder fans do not get it. HE SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF IT.THAT IS EVERYONES POINT. IT was not BESTOWED ON HIM. Snyder made him president , head coach and GM. He accepted it so he does deserve responsbility, but the owner should always take the blame if his organization fails. This is his 5th head coach in 6 yrs. it's not a matter of being a snyder fan. you say snyder bestowed this on gibbs, i'm sure you were singing his praises in jan. '04, but you're just using hindsight to still blame snyder. i'm not saying he hasn't made a lot of mistakes, but for 3 years, he has trusted gibbs with everything, including his checkbook. and it's not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I think that you're right about Gibbs having too much loyalty to guys, namely Brunell, but he can't throw on the helmet and pads. I think Joe has shown that he is accountable. He takes the heat off of the players publicly, but that does't mean he doesn't give them "the real" behind closed doors. I think that its time for change, but the past decisions/philosophies that have been made by Snyder and friends pre-GibbsII are out of Joe's control. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I couldn't agree with Major any more. Everyone loves to throw the blame at Saunders, who came in and messed up the great 11th ranked offense from last year, or Snyder for being a meddling fool who just wants to charge us our first born sons so he can hang out with Tom Cruise and watch the Skins lose. The cold, hard fact is Gibbs has been able to do what he wanted since he came back while Snyder just wrote him the blank checks, and the mess the Redskins are in now is entirely on the Coach. It's now on him to get us out of it, and that starts with growing a pair this week and making some serious changes for the rest of the season, leading hopefully into some serious house cleaning over the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I agree with this sentiment much more than Tarhog's. Ultimately I think Gibbs totally screwed up the chemistry of the football team this past off-season. Rather than build on what the Skins did in 2005 and keep those core players around like he always said he believed in, he totally went against his own word. In the 2004 off-season Gibbs would say things like "core Redskins" and such. I didn't hear him say that ONCE in the 2005 off-season. Instead he let those guys get away. I don't know if that points to the fact that Gibbs just isn't a good personel guy, or that he doesn't have his thumb on the pulse of this football team. You would think Gibbs would know the locker room better. Why are we finding out after the fact that Ryan Clark was a guy this defense rallied around and was respected? Gibbs always seemed to take mediocre/no-name players and make them superstars. Either way that's not a good sign considering I know Gibbs loves the Redskins and will do anything to win. It's a sad day in Washington when you find out the guy who brought so much winning and good times to us in the past is bringing so much pain now. It just doesn't seem right. However, all of this is really Gibbs fault. If Gibbs went to Snyder and asked for the best GM around, he'd get it. No questions asked. Scouting department? Gibbs: "Dan, I think we need to overhaul the scouting department." Snyder: "Would you like a scouting facility with that, Mr. Gibbs?" What Gibbs wants, Snyder gets him. No reason to throw Snyder under the bus for listening to Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 you are retarded go have sex with your cousins n/m :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 n/m :laugh: i'd have liked to have seen that post..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I agree with this sentiment much more than Tarhog's. Ultimately I think Gibbs totally screwed up the chemistry of the football team this past off-season. Rather than build on what the Skins did in 2005 and keep those core players around like he always said he believed in, he totally went against his own word. In the 2004 off-season Gibbs would say things like "core Redskins" and such. I didn't hear him say that ONCE in the 2005 off-season. Instead he let those guys get away. I don't know if that points to the fact that Gibbs just isn't a good personel guy, or that he doesn't have his thumb on the pulse of this football team. You would think Gibbs would know the locker room better. Why are we finding out after the fact that Ryan Clark was a guy this defense rallied around and was respected? Gibbs always seemed to take mediocre/no-name players and make them superstars. Either way that's not a good sign considering I know Gibbs loves the Redskins and will do anything to win. It's a sad day in Washington when you find out the guy who brought so much winning and good times to us in the past is bringing so much pain now. It just doesn't seem right. However, all of this is really Gibbs fault. If Gibbs went to Snyder and asked for the best GM around, he'd get it. No questions asked. Scouting department? Gibbs: "Dan, I think we need to overhaul the scouting department." Snyder: "Would you like a scouting facility with that, Mr. Gibbs?" What Gibbs wants, Snyder gets him. No reason to throw Snyder under the bus for listening to Gibbs. The owner is suppose to the BOSS. Not santa clause. He should rehaul the scounting department on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanAnt Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Here's where GIBBS is responsible: IF NOTHING CHANGES. If we keep starting Boonell, if we keep calling DUMPOFF SUPREMES, if we keep allowing our secondary to get burned by the lack of pass rush. If Gibbs doesn't change anything yet expects different results, then we have to question his sanity...not his credibility. Credibility in the past means SQUAT compared to credibility now. Right now Gibbs has horrible credibility by continuing everything I just mentioned. And if that continues, then Snyder has to act. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I think that you're right about Gibbs having too much loyalty to guys, namely Brunell, but he can't throw on the helmet and pads. I think Joe has shown that he is accountable. He takes the heat off of the players publicly, but that does't mean he doesn't give them "the real" behind closed doors. I think that its time for change, but the past decisions/philosophies that have been made by Snyder and friends pre-GibbsII are out of Joe's control. HTTR What decisions/philosophies have Snyder "and friends" done pre-Gibbs II that still hurts the Redskins today? Anything done since 2004 has been headed by Gibbs himself, so any successes/problems stem from Gibbs decision making. It's a moot point to make about anything Snyder did pre-Gibbs II considering that has nothing to do with our situation today, 2 and a half years later.And if Gibbs is REALLY giving the players big heat behind closed doors, why is the play so inconsistent? Why are so many skilled players playing so poorly and underachieving? Something isn't adding up here concerning the clear talent on the team and their total output so far this year, and that something seems to be coming from Gibbs' direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 What Gibbs wants, Snyder gets him. No reason to throw Snyder under the bus for listening to Gibbs. It's happening because it's easier to do then blame an icon. I could never imagine the day that I would begin to lose faith in Joe Freakin' Gibbs. Never. Yet that day is here and it hurts me deeply. It would be much easier if my mind would allow me to ignore the obvious and point the finger of blame in another direction. But that would be intellectually dishonest and I know that JJG wouldn't respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I AM SAYING SNYDER SHOULD GET A GM. That goes along with what Major is saying. If Gibbs wanted one, don't you think Danny would get one? Come on, Gibbs has gotten almost every player, coach, and assistant coach that he has wanted since he returned in 2004. Greg Williams? Done. Champ gone, done. Arrington gone, done. Coles traded, done. Saunders to run the offense, done. You get the point I'm sure. We have the highest coaching payroll in NFL history. All Gibbs choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 There's no doubt Gibbs is completely in charge of personnel and team decisions and has been since he returned. I still love the guy, I don't want him to leave or get fired, but this team IS his responsiblity. Agreed.This IS on Gibbs. What really worries me is that I don't know if he can get it fixed this year or not. I want to believe he can, but at a 3-6 reality, part of me just wants this season over. This year really reminds me of his first year back. The Jansen injury killed us that year. Joe getting his feet under him hurt us. Players getting used to his system hurt us. Year two we're in the friggin Playoffs & a few plays in the Seattle game from the damn Super Bowl. Year three, we're right back where we started from in year one. New scheme. New coaches. MORE injuries. It ain't easy being a Skins fan. Hasn't been for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidernat Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 91 was not easier than now. It maybe was easier to put a team together.But that is GM. I do not think 1 person will argue the competition was better in 91 than it is now. IN 91 HE WENT THRU Deion, Barry Sanders, Jim Kelly. Those guys could play football. It was not the stone age. These posts are getting funnier and funnier....:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I will give Snyder this. What he has done is created a bureaucracy Everyone is in charge. The Coach is the GM and president. Vinny according to you guys just makes the deal? I thought that was Eric Mendez? We do not know anything. Its just talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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