HOOS4SKINS Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I've seen "Gibbs should be fired!" "Brunell should go" "Gibbs running ancient football" YADA YADA YADA! First of all Gibbs is NOT THE PROBLEM! He doesn't even call the plays. Al Saunders is the problem. We had the 11th ranked offense last year and only missed depth at WR. We did not need Saunders. Saunders needs to go. If Gibb's offense is so ancient, tell me why everybody was singing his praises last year for opening up to todays football. Hell we went from near last to right outside the top 10. Brunell is a problem but not the big problem. He is timid and is too quick to get rid of the ball(most of it the O-lines fault, for whatever reason they seem to not be able to pass block) but BRUNELL CAN'T GO DEEP UNLESS IT IS CALLED. The STUPID dink and dunk passes Saunders calls are nobody put SAUNDERS' FAULT! Injuries are KILLING us on D. If we would have had the D we had last year or the year before we would be fine this year. Last but not least the BIGGEST problem since 1998 is Snyder's RETARDED free wheeling spending and mind blowing handouts of draft picks. Is free angency bad? No. Is building your team through it bad? No. Is drastically changing your team through it WHILE throwing your draft picks away to other teams bad? YES! Why do you think our defense sucks? We have NO DEPTH! We need to keep most of our picks instead of throwing them away. Until we learn this we will be VERY HARD pressed to win anything. All of that said. It is time to bring in Campbell and prepare for the future. This year is over with. I want to see what the future will be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 We have to many layers of management. We have how many Associate head coaches of offense or defense, we have how many assistant coaches, how many different position coaches. As the saying goes to many chefs in the kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin81 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I agree with you but good luck with this thread. Fire up the waaaaaaambulance because the whining will be in full force on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVA2Tampa Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 IMHO, bringing in Saunders was a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneBoost Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I will agree with you on all of that. Probably the best and most well said, I think you speak for a lot of us. It a def time for Campbell as you stated, hopefully the O line can block for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangan Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I agree...but I think AS is "super smart"......so we should be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_Man Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I stopped reading after you blamed Al Saunders part.. sorry but you're wrong still.. I'm gonna paraphrase what B Mitch said in the post game show, which makes sense.. Who is it that brought in Al Saunders in the first place? Joe Gibbs.. He brought Al Saunders here to make plays, but how can he if Joe Gibbs is limiting his playcalling? Yes, Joe Gibbs is the reason why the offense won't click yet. He keeps Brunell in when Todd Collins knows the offense, that's Joe Gibbs... Al Saunders in KC never ran or threw short passes on 3rd and long neither did they attempt the longball only once a game but rather 5-6 times a game... Sorry but Joe Gibbs is the reason for all of this, as he is the President of Operations making all the wrong decisions, such as bringing in Saunders in the first place and literally quitting on the team when he did that... now bring on the excuses :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsWizCubsDukes Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Brunell can't throw deep because it's not called???? Come on man, you can't see on TV what goes on downfield, when I have attended the games he isn't able to make progressions in the pass game, it's the number 1 option, and then the dump off, and most always a dump off. I am sick of people supporting this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meek Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 FYI- Saunders isn't the one throwing the check downs. The deep routes are there and they are being called, Brunell's just not pulling the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge316 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 yes....saunders is the problem. The guy that has put up great offenses year in, year out. Yeah, that person is the problem. Have you actually followed his offense? His offense is not dink and dunk, he spreads the ball, just look at the Rams and the Chiefs. It's obvious that the offense is adjusted for Brunell's strengths or some may say weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 the real problem is personnel. the Redskins don't have a true GM and that has caused us to make some moves for players that have turned out to be busts. it has also caused us to overspend for some players where there were other players available who as it turned out have played just as well for other teams. Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls but he wasn't the GM for any of those teams. Beathard and his front office staff were the ones that brought in the Joe Jacobys, Russ Grimms, Art Monks, Darrell Greens, etc. There was no guarantee with Gibbs coming back that this would work precisely because he had no experience as a GM and Dan Snyder refused to do more than retain Vinny Cerrato to be the director of player personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Injuries are KILLING us on D. If we would have had the D we had last year or the year before we would be fine this year.. Its called depth. We just don't have it. Last but not least the BIGGEST problem since 1998 is Snyder's RETARDED free wheeling spending and mind blowing handouts of draft picks. Is free angency bad? No. Is building your team through it bad? No. Is drastically changing your team through it WHILE throwing your draft picks away to other teams bad? YES! Why do you think our defense sucks? We have NO DEPTH! We need to keep most of our picks instead of throwing them away. Until we learn this we will be VERY HARD pressed to win anything. I agree with this but Gibbs, Vinny and the rest of coaches are the ones who bring the players in. Its up to them to choose the people and to choose how they go about acquiring said players. All of that said. It is time to bring in Campbell and prepare for the future. This year is over with. I want to see what the future will be like I agree with you here. Its time to see what where working with for the the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangan Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 All I know is .... MB is "super smart"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hercules Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Well, Gibbs made the decision to bring in Saunders, so if Saunders is killing the team, then Gibbs is to blame. He wasn't forced to make that decision. Also, Gibbs stated in his press conference that he's the guy to blame. Nothing wrong with having the opinion that Gibbs isn't to blame, but Gibbs himself isn't even buying that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbuzz1962 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 News Flash! The Washington Redskins officially have lost all hope for the 2006-2007 season. Their aging, noodle armed, happy feet quarterback finally destroyed all remaining hope for this season. Unable to score a single touchdown, again, somehow keeps his starting job against all odds. Is their any other business that would let someone with no ability or skills remain on the payroll? Only the Washington Redskins, and Joe Gibbs. He really believes he is a super smart, super duper man. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Gibbs is to blame now because he has assumed the mantle of being the face of the Redskins in holding the team president, de facto GM, head coach and all other associated titles. We are learning from his experience and that of Bill Parcells in Dallas that a coach by himself is not going to produce a championship team. it requires the cooperation and coordination of a front office and coaching staff working together. There is far too much to do both in the front office and on the field for a single coach to double as the team's GM as well. That is being borne out by the records of the teams. Let's go back to 2000. The Ravens, Patriots, Bucs and Steelers all have GMs that collaborated with the coaching staffs to produce winners. Not even Bill Bellichick has total control in the Patriots organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz_4_life Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 saunders is not the problem look who his QB is he cant throw downfield!!!!! i dont think saunders is callin 100% of the plays.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin81 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 saunders is not the problem look who his QB is he cant throw downfield!!!!! i dont think saunders is callin 100% of the plays.... Hes calling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidernat Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 The constant flow of excuses to bail out Gibbs and Brunell from shouldering accountability is mind boggling. Actually it's brinking on pure idiocy. That's why they're called Brunell Zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desioreo87 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hes calling them. Gibbs has the final authority on any decision. He can override Saunder's call if he wants to. I'm sure he prolly does this like less than 1% but still if he wants to run a different play he can call what he likes. Saunders can't run the offense he wants to because Brunell is holding him back. Personally at this point I think Gibb's old style of mass protection might really be useful since every team prolly knows by now that Brunell can't handle pressure to save his life. All the good QBs in this league can handle pressure and make quick decisions but of course Brunell isn't a good qb and therefore he can't make those quick throws unless they are designed such as screens and quick outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFan48 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I've seen "Gibbs should be fired!" "Brunell should go" "Gibbs running ancient football" YADA YADA YADA!First of all Gibbs is NOT THE PROBLEM! He doesn't even call the plays. Al Saunders is the problem. We had the 11th ranked offense last year and only missed depth at WR. We did not need Saunders. Saunders needs to go. If Gibb's offense is so ancient, tell me why everybody was singing his praises last year for opening up to todays football. Hell we went from near last to right outside the top 10. Brunell is a problem but not the big problem. He is timid and is too quick to get rid of the ball(most of it the O-lines fault, for whatever reason they seem to not be able to pass block) but BRUNELL CAN'T GO DEEP UNLESS IT IS CALLED. The STUPID dink and dunk passes Saunders calls are nobody put SAUNDERS' FAULT! Injuries are KILLING us on D. If we would have had the D we had last year or the year before we would be fine this year. Last but not least the BIGGEST problem since 1998 is Snyder's RETARDED free wheeling spending and mind blowing handouts of draft picks. Is free angency bad? No. Is building your team through it bad? No. Is drastically changing your team through it WHILE throwing your draft picks away to other teams bad? YES! Why do you think our defense sucks? We have NO DEPTH! We need to keep most of our picks instead of throwing them away. Until we learn this we will be VERY HARD pressed to win anything. All of that said. It is time to bring in Campbell and prepare for the future. This year is over with. I want to see what the future will be like. Dude go smoke another one. If you actually think Saunders calls dump passes all game long, you need help. Brunell just plain out sucks. To scared to throw the ball down field and too old and slow to make all of his reads. As soon as the ball hikes, hes automatically looking for the dump pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLORD1863 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Think Saunders is gone after this season and Gibbs back to calling the plays for the remainder of his contract? Honestly I think Saunders' offense is fine, brunell doesn't think fast enough to get it done though. He looks for Moss on nearly every play, by the time he realizes he's covered all other options are closed. We need someone who can think and move much faster, I don't know if Campbell can do that but that doesn't mean we can overlook Brunell completely lacking in quick response time. Gibbs had a slower-paced offense and that fit Brunell pretty well, although personally I think the defense disguised our mediocre offense as a good one last year. I think as long as Brunell plays, Gibbs should call the shots. But I think Saunders' offense has a chance for success under a younger, more mobile, and quick thinking new QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Brunell is a problem but not the big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1fanofno21 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I've seen "Gibbs should be fired!" "Brunell should go" "Gibbs running ancient football" YADA YADA YADA!First of all Gibbs is NOT THE PROBLEM! He doesn't even call the plays. Al Saunders is the problem. We had the 11th ranked offense last year and only missed depth at WR. We did not need Saunders. Saunders needs to go. If Gibb's offense is so ancient, tell me why everybody was singing his praises last year for opening up to todays football. Hell we went from near last to right outside the top 10. Brunell is a problem but not the big problem. He is timid and is too quick to get rid of the ball(most of it the O-lines fault, for whatever reason they seem to not be able to pass block) but BRUNELL CAN'T GO DEEP UNLESS IT IS CALLED. The STUPID dink and dunk passes Saunders calls are nobody put SAUNDERS' FAULT! Injuries are KILLING us on D. If we would have had the D we had last year or the year before we would be fine this year. Last but not least the BIGGEST problem since 1998 is Snyder's RETARDED free wheeling spending and mind blowing handouts of draft picks. Is free angency bad? No. Is building your team through it bad? No. Is drastically changing your team through it WHILE throwing your draft picks away to other teams bad? YES! Why do you think our defense sucks? We have NO DEPTH! We need to keep most of our picks instead of throwing them away. Until we learn this we will be VERY HARD pressed to win anything. All of that said. It is time to bring in Campbell and prepare for the future. This year is over with. I want to see what the future will be like. It is Gibbs that is the problem. He controls when we go for it, what type of play we should run and most importantly who plays. The defense is having a rough season; thats ok they lost ryan clark, walt harris and lavar, which hurts them. I didnt wait all summer and offseason to watch us go down like this. If we loose with campbell thats ok. we need to find out if he can play. We gave brunell 9 games, he did nothing, nota, nothing---------understand that. Let's see some change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Injuries are KILLING us on D. If we would have had the D we had last year or the year before we would be fine this year. All of that said. It is time to bring in Campbell and prepare for the future. This year is over with. I want to see what the future will be like. Do you really think Saunders says to throw a screen on 3rd and nine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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