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rincewind

By rincewind
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WeownU

WeownU

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Marriage is all about the church. Even if you go to the JOP they use the Bible and have you repeat your vows to God

What world do you live in?

So what? If you go testify in a court of law, they make you put your hand on the bible. Does that mean the court rooms in this country are about the church too? Duh!

I'm not bagging on you, but my guess is your whole life people have been telling you to mellow out, and quit being so judgmental towards others. I can say these things to you because when I was younger (20's) I was like you. My way or the highway, type of guy I was. Just like you.

I'm grown alot emotionally since then though, and I'm a much happier person for it.

I suggest you try it, you'll be glad you did. I promise.

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WeownU

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Go to NEA's website. HAve fun and come back when you are ready to talk about Hitlers book.....

Sorry pal. I rarely click links that are posted. You have a point to make, or something you want me to read, post it, and I'll gladly read it.

As far as the hitler book, I don't know what your getting at with it, I"m just saying that just because it was written, and turned into a book, doesn't mean I have to read it.

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DoGood28

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Why? I know plenty of homosexual parents, and they love their children and are doing a great job raising them.

I'm concerned that homosexual children raise homosexual adults. I'm sorry, but homosexuality is not something to be aspired towards. Heterosexual relationships are undoubtedly right as they result in procreation.

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civil unions
Virginia just banned civil unions. Also, I know it doesn't really have much to do with the argument in this thread, but I would really like some kind of verification for this:
there is proof that oral sex/foreplay does serve a precreative function.
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WeownU

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So now you don't care what other public schools teach because your kid isn't going there to be taught that being homo is "natural"

What a great position :rolleyes:

Wow, I had no idea your reading comprehension skills were that poor.

I'll rewrite it, let me know if you get stuck anywhere...........

I said it APPEARS to not be a public school, but since I DIDN't live there I didn't know either way. If it wasn't a public school, and it was private, and parents pay money to send their kid there, they have the right to have any book they want in their library.

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rincewind

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Then what exactly did you promise to one another? What basis of understanding did the ceremony provide to you and your wife?

just curious you do not need to answer......

We wrote our own vows and were wed by an agnostic judge. We promised to love each other for the rest of our loves and we got to share that promise with our friends and family. Greatest day of my life and I wouldn't change one thing about it.

Everyone knows you're the exception to a lot of things here

Better check to make sure your marriage is legal;)

You might have been living in sin :D

Definitely legal - married to a lawyer by a judge (one my wife had worked for). And yes, we lived in 'sin' for 6 years before we got hitched. :)

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Bang

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That is OK Bang. I bristle at the concept that gay and lesbians feel like they are entitled to the same place in society that a married man and woman have.

They want equal RIGHTS under the law. I agree and lets get it done.

However that is where I draw the line.

If the dog analogy offended I just do not know what to say. I made my point clear. I do not expect you to reread all my posts. But my point was not to draw comparison to the actual possibility of a man and dog marrying. it was to illustrate the irrelevance of the term marriage being used in either case.

well, to me your analogy about the dog was to illustrate that if we allow gay union to be called marriage, it opens up the pandora's box that anyone can marry anyTHING, because it makes them feel good.

the bottom line of it is that a dog and a person aren't comparable in this sense. It's not that its offensive for you to make this comparison, it's nonsense, and using it as an argument with folks trying to talk seriously is pointless.

It would be like me saying "well, i don't support the war because refrigerators dont have feet." for all the sense it makes to the argument.

See, for me it's like this.

As far as we KNOW, we only live once. Some of us may believe there is an afterlife, reward / punishment... some of us don't... but one thing we DO know for certain is that we all get 80 or so years if we're lucky, and that is IT.

I think to waste the time we have trying to make sure someone else's alloted time is miserable simply for the fact they have a same sex partner is highly arrogant. It is purely judgemental and punitive on our part.

And even though I don't believe in God, those that do, well, isn't it up to him who gets punished?

aren't we all supposed to try to live in harmony, love thy neighbor, all that, and leave vengeance up to him?

Aren't you supposed to forgive those who trespass against you?

I'm not trying to take some moral high ground here. I'm simply saying, life goes by awfully quick. why not let them live it in peace? Just as any other member of society, so long as they don't hurt anyone, why not?

If this God exists that they so deeply offend,, he'll take care of it when their time comes.

~Bang

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Larry

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civil unions

Which the Religous Right is furiously changing every law in the country (including federal legislation) for the specific purpose of making sure that gays can't even get "seperate but equal".

And even that ignores the fact that even if, say, MA, were to pass a law called a civil union which the state defines is being equal to a marriage in every way, it still wouldn't be "equal".

Because 1) if the union isn't called "marriage", then any rule, regulation, or policy by any third party won't honor it. (Many states require your insurance company to insure a spouse. Would they be required to insure a "unioned other"?). And 2) Simply because it has a different label, unions would not be "portable" to other states.

Which is, frankly, besides the point. "Seperate but equal", just like segregated schools and "whites only" drinking fountains, are a lie on their face. The people mentioning them specifically don't want them to be equal. They're simply (to use the analogy) claiming that they don't mind if the coloreds have a drinking fountain of their own, as long as they don't try to use the same one I use.

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NoCalMike

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Correction, I'm concerned homosexual parents raise homosexual children. Sorry.

Dude, you can't TEACH attraction. Why do you think all these priests are closeted repressed homosexuals, because it isn't a choice, but all their life people like you told them that being gay was a sin and was horrible so they lived their lives in the closet and repressed their feelings, which led to living a double life. If it was just a choice, then all these priests could easily have chosen to "stop being gay"

My parents didn't "teach" me to like girls, when I hit puberty, I started to find them attractive on my own. A bible didn't tell me to like them, nor did my parents, it just happened.

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Well, I'm happy with the way most elections went yesterday. But, at least 7 states have voted in State Constitutional amendments that put on a ban on allowing the state to recognize gay marriages. I have to ask - why the **** are people so interested in the way other's use their own religion and what they do in their own bedroom?

I also don't understand why in this day and age people are offended and embarrased if you call them a racist - yet people are allowed (and often encouraged) to openly be prejudiced against gay people.

It's fear, plain and simple. The same fear that reduces people's vocabulary to "pervs" and "homos". Fear of their own sexual identity, fear of unrepressed sexuality; it's just FEAR, FEAR, FEAR. For God's sake, it's not like it's catching - your married gay neighbor doesn't want any more to do with you in the bedroom than you want with him.

The same-sex couples that I know spend their time pretty much like most of us do - come home from work, help the kids with homework, dinner and bed. Legalized unions are not going to cause sudden outbreaks of public sex (or anything else you should fear).

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diesel22

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Don't worry. Liberal judges will declare the will of the people unconstitutional and have it thrown out

How true :doh:

I just don't get it. What business is it of the government?

Marriage is a LEGALLY binding agreement. That automatically ties the procedure to the government.

I don't approve of gay marriage... but I definitely don't want the government involved.

Marriage is a LEGALLY binding agreement. That automatically ties the procedure to the government.

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diesel22

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Dude, you can't TEACH attraction. Why do you think all these priests are closeted repressed homosexuals, because it isn't a choice, but all their life people like you told them that being gay was a sin and was horrible so they lived their lives in the closet and repressed their feelings, which led to living a double life. If it was just a choice, then all these priests could easily have chosen to "stop being gay"

My parents didn't "teach" me to like girls, when I hit puberty, I started to find them attractive on my own. A bible didn't tell me to like them, nor did my parents, it just happened.

WRONG !! I never liked big chicks until I went to college and started hanging out with black guys....

:D

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Larry

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I sure this has been said already but if liberal judges hadn't decided to allow gay marrages in specific cases this issue would never have come to the fourfront

Unfortunately, your statement is (as is typical with a lot of right-wing talking points) completely contradicted by reality.

The biggest distortion of reality in your statement is that the first court ruling allowing gay marriages was what, six months ago?

The political moves to ban them, from changing federal laws, to state and local laws, and constitutional ammendments, have been going on for (what seems like, to me) 10 years.

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