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Predicto only means it is a sin if you get a BJ from a man. You should be cool.......

:laugh: (rhetorical question here) why the **** is still against the law in so many places?

Bang, in fairness to portisizzle, he DID say that he agrees that they should be allowed the same rights, just don't call it a marriage. Why the hang up on a word, I don't know, but he did say that so he essentially agrees with you and I.

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I appoligize for using the words and language in my earlier post, this is just a touchy subject to me, and hearing some views just made me loose my cool.

Sorry to Midnight, it was disgraceful and not something i would typically say, just the heat of the moment.

I have removed my earlier post.

good job.

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why did i single you out?

Because of your idiotic analogy with the dog.

It is insulting to anyone trying to have a legitamate debate on the subject when you insist that marrying a dog is the same as marrying a person.

As i said, i know some of these people,, one of which is as conservative as you are.. you'd agree on many many things I'm sure.

If you felt personally persecuted by me, sorry, not my intent,, merely your posts were an example of the intolerance that makes me bristle.

As I said,, i see them as people. And it does bother me that in this day and age we can be so cold to them, expecially when they are only different than you in who they choose to sleep with.

~Bang

That is OK Bang. I bristle at the concept that gay and lesbians feel like they are entitled to the same place in society that a married man and woman have.

They want equal RIGHTS under the law. I agree and lets get it done.

However that is where I draw the line.

If the dog analogy offended I just do not know what to say. I made my point clear. I do not expect you to reread all my posts. But my point was not to draw comparison to the actual possibility of a man and dog marrying. it was to illustrate the irrelevance of the term marriage being used in either case.

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Exactly. If two guys blow each other it's a sin.

Thats not what I said.

BJs serve no precreative function, even when provided by a woman. BJs are abnormal behavior by any biological definition.

By the same logic you apply to gays, you should be prohibited from any more BJs for the rest of your life.

Which is really too bad for you.

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Nice cop out.

Let me ask you this. If I am an athiest, should I be allowed to marry???

Of course. Why??? Because marriage has nothing to do with the church. Strip away all the pretty little religious overtones of a wedding.....in a church, white dress, God forming a union of two people....blah blah blah.

Its all BS. All of it. Its a contract between two people to show the govt that they are acting as one sole entity.

Othwise, in order to get married, you'd have to prove a devotion to a certain faith, or the govt wouldn't recognize the marriage.

But guess what? The govt doesn't ask any sort of questions like that. In fact, the govt could care less if the church was involved in the wedding whatsoever. Just a judge, or JP. You know why? Have you figured it out yet? Guess........ITS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT RELIGION AND MARRIAGE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT FROM THE GOVT'S STANDPOINT.

And if thats the case, then for one group of people to stand up and say "HEY, THOSE PEOPLE CAN'T MARRY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIKE ME", is absolutely MORONIC, and it was the same argument that had NO RATIONAL BASIS behind it exactly like idiots not wanting to give blacks basic human rights, or give women the right to vote.

It all boils down to dimwitted people who are extremely intolerant of others because they are losers and only feel better about themselves when they point fingers and try to make other people feel bad about themselves.

Marriage is all about the church. Even if you go to the JOP they use the Bible and have you repeat your vows to God

What world do you live in?

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:laugh: (rhetorical question here) why the **** is still against the law in so many places?

Bang, in fairness to portisizzle, he DID say that he agrees that they should be allowed the same rights, just don't call it a marriage. Why the hang up on a word, I don't know, but he did say that so he essentially agrees with you and I.

Unfortunately, the initiatives we are discussion are about denying gays the right to marry and ALSO denying them the right to civil unions.

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WAKE UP...

http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/4_April/041703_mn_teaching_kindergarten_kids_human_differences_in_newton.shtml

Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton

First Grade Teachers from Brookline's Devotion School Reveal Their Plans

MassNews Staff

April 17, 2003

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I'm not familiar with the story, but I have to question a school the has the name "devotion school".

That doesn't exactly sound like a PUBLIC school to me. And if so, and my kid don't go there, its flat out not my business what they teach.

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I appoligize for using the words and language in my earlier post, this is just a touchy subject to me, and hearing some views just made me loose my cool.

Sorry to Midnight, it was disgraceful and not something i would typically say, just the heat of the moment.

I have removed my earlier post.

All good.

Thing is here, we TRY to debate. It's hard, because as you've seen, there are so many people here that are wrong. Things get heated at times, but we try to keep from telling folks we're going to kick their asses.

Even though some need it :D

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Unfortunately, the initiatives we are discussion are about denying gays the right to marry and ALSO denying them the right to civil unions.

Personally I beleive you can thank the method that homosexuals have tried to ramrod this gay marriage thing through for that.

Remove their in your face methods and activist judges creating laws and replace it with reasoned debate and laws developed by state legislatures and the results would have been wildly different.

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Marriage is all about the church. Even if you go to the JOP they use the Bible and have you repeat your vows to God

What world do you live in?

Not true, I had a friend married by a judge and there was no bible in sight.

Marriage is a legal union by the state, and can be performed in a church if the couple wants it to be recognized in a house of god, but it is not required and a marriage ceremony can be performed completey devoid of god or references to "god"

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I'm not familiar with the story, but I have to question a school the has the name "devotion school".

That doesn't exactly sound like a PUBLIC school to me. And if so, and my kid don't go there, its flat out not my business what they teach.

Go to NEA's website. HAve fun and come back when you are ready to talk about Hitlers book.....

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Personally I beleive you can thank the method that homosexuals have tried to ramrod this gay marriage thing through for that.

Remove their in your face methods and activist judges creating laws and replace it with reasoned debate and laws developed by state legislatures and the results would have been wildly different.

Was "Ramrod" the best word to use in this thread? :laugh:

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I'm not familiar with the story, but I have to question a school the has the name "devotion school".

That doesn't exactly sound like a PUBLIC school to me. And if so, and my kid don't go there, its flat out not my business what they teach.

So now you don't care what other public schools teach because your kid isn't going there to be taught that being homo is "natural"

What a great position :rolleyes:

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Nice cop out.

Let me ask you this. If I am an athiest, should I be allowed to marry???

Of course. Why??? Because marriage has nothing to do with the church. Strip away all the pretty little religious overtones of a wedding.....in a church, white dress, God forming a union of two people....blah blah blah.

Its all BS. All of it. Its a contract between two people to show the govt that they are acting as one sole entity.

Othwise, in order to get married, you'd have to prove a devotion to a certain faith, or the govt wouldn't recognize the marriage.

But guess what? The govt doesn't ask any sort of questions like that. In fact, the govt could care less if the church was involved in the wedding whatsoever. Just a judge, or JP. You know why? Have you figured it out yet? Guess........ITS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT RELIGION AND MARRIAGE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT FROM THE GOVT'S STANDPOINT.

And if thats the case, then for one group of people to stand up and say "HEY, THOSE PEOPLE CAN'T MARRY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIKE ME", is absolutely MORONIC, and it was the same argument that had NO RATIONAL BASIS behind it exactly like idiots not wanting to give blacks basic human rights, or give women the right to vote.

It all boils down to dimwitted people who are extremely intolerant of others because they are losers and only feel better about themselves when they point fingers and try to make other people feel bad about themselves.

Simple response.

Government did not create the concept of marriage as we know it in our society.

Religion did. If you continue to refuse this reality I am afraid that I will not be able to continue.

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Simple response.

Government did not create the concept of marriage as we know it in our society.

Religion did. If you continue to refuse this reality I am afraid that I will not be able to continue.

But the government surely created what benefits Marriage grants you in terms of tax breaks and other rights. That is the issue.

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Thats not what I said.

BJs serve no precreative function, even when provided by a woman. BJs are abnormal behavior by any biological definition.

By the same logic you apply to gays, you should be prohibited from any more BJs for the rest of your life.

Which is really too bad for you.

Nice try but wrong comparison.

The difference is heterosexuals don't only have oral sex. Also, there is proof that oral sex/foreplay does serve a precreative function.

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Errr... I was married by a judge. There was no bible present and the word God was never uttered.

Everyone knows you're the exception to a lot of things here

Better check to make sure your marriage is legal;)

You might have been living in sin :D

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