At least 7 states ban gay marriage...

[portisizzle]

Don't bring this bilble bs. Every other sin is ok but not this one. ok yeah that makes alot of sense.

Go on with your rant, you ignorant piece of ****. i hope i get to see you on the street one day and give you what you truly deserve, a beat down.

I think you might be missing Midnights point.

But it was fun listening to your gun go off.

[rincewind]

Don't bring this bilble bs. Every other sin is ok but not this one. ok yeah that makes alot of sense.

Go on with your rant, you ignorant piece of ****. i hope i get to see you on the street one day and give you what you truly deserve, a beat down.

Please restrain from physical threads on this board. Thanks.

[Predicto]

Don't bring this bilble bs. Every other sin is ok but not this one. ok yeah that makes alot of sense.

Go on with your rant, you ignorant piece of ****. i hope i get to see you on the street one day and give you what you truly deserve, a beat down.

Boy, I'm glad we invited you to our party.

I hope you enjoy the next message board you sign up for.

[WeownU]

You are wrong. Marriage is the foundation of religion. The government got into the business of marriage for tax purposes. Care to give me the definition of marriage prior to the government getting involved?

Marriage isn't the foundation of religion. Money is the foundation of religion. The church has set mankind back hundreds of years from an educational standpoint. Ever hear of the dark ages? The church didn't want anyone to learn anything. Why? Cause its bad business.

You're in America. Seperation of church and state. To protect the people from religious nuts who try to employ THIER God, onto others.

This is all very simple. You simply can't give rights to a certain group of people because one has a penis, and one has a vagina. Its barbaric.

It reminds me of the argument of why blacks shouldn't have rights, or why women shouldn't be able to vote. We've advanced as a people today to know that those two concepts were stupid, and wrong. But nevertheless, we believed them at those particular points in time.

Here's hoping 50 years from now, we can look back, shake our heads, and say, "damn, what were we thinking not to give everyone the right to marry".

Until we do so, we're simply not advancing as a collective "people", and I'm a little embarrased that in the year 2006 I even have to argue this point to others.

[portisizzle]

Boy, I'm glad we invited you to our party.

I hope you enjoy the next message board you sign up for.

You need to save your criticism of me and my debate style and use it on people like this.......

[portisizzle]

Marriage isn't the foundation of religion. Money is the foundation of religion. The church has set mankind back hundreds of years from an educational standpoint. Ever hear of the dark ages? The church didn't want anyone to learn anything. Why? Cause its bad business.

You're in America. Seperation of church and state. To protect the people from religious nuts who try to employ THIER God, onto others.

This is all very simple. You simply can't give rights to a certain group of people because one has a penis, and one has a vagina. Its barbaric.

It reminds me of the argument of why blacks shouldn't have rights, or why women shouldn't be able to vote. We've advanced as a people today to know that those two concepts were stupid, and wrong. But nevertheless, we believed them at those particular points in time.

Here's hoping 50 years from now, we can look back, shake our heads, and say, "damn, what were we thinking not to give everyone the right to marry".

Until we do so, we're simply not advancing as a collective "people", and I'm a little embarrased that in the year 2006 I even have to argue this point to others.

You know that is great and well and good. But until you can admit to me that marriage had a definition and that you need to acknowledge this I think I would be wasting my time responding.

{Predicto is this another example of me assuming victory?}

[Johnny Punani]

Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is abnormal behavior.

That's about sums it up.

[WeownU]

WHY ****ING WRITE THE BOOK IF TO NOT PRESENT IT TO KIDS????

Propaganda indeed.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD GO IN A ****ING PUBLIC SCHOOL LIBRARY DOES IT????

Hitler wrong "Mein Kampf", it doesn't mean I'm going to read it does it? Or that you'll find it in the fricken library does it?

[Sarge]

Don't bring this bilble bs. Every other sin is ok but not this one. ok yeah that makes alot of sense.

Go on with your rant, you ignorant piece of ****. i hope i get to see you on the street one day and give you what you truly deserve, a beat down.

Not cool dude. You may want to edit the last part

[DCsportsfan53]

This question wasn't addressed to me, but I'll answer it.

Marriage is a business contract. No more, no less. Thats how the govt see's it.

Everything else attributed to it is done so by the people who join in the contract. But from the govt's perspective, its all about business. Throw religion out of it, it has no place in the definition whatsoever.

Since it is a business contract between two people, ALL people should be given the right to enter into said contract.

Exaclty, well put.

You are wrong. Marriage is the foundation of religion. The government got into the business of marriage for tax purposes. Care to give me the definition of marriage prior to the government getting involved?

So, out of curiosity, should atheists have a say in what marriage is? How would they define it? Also, seeing as how this IS nothing more than a legal issue so far as the law and gov't is concerned, what does religion have to do with it?

[Predicto]

You know that is great and well and good. But until you can admit to me that marriage had a definition and that you need to acknowledge this I think I would be wasting my time responding.

{Predicto is this another example of me assuming victory?}

Yes it would.

You are attempting to lead the discussion in a manner that you think will lead to vicotry, instead of responding to the points made by the other person.

This isn't Plato. You can't just say something, and have all of us respond like the Sophists: "Yes, Socrates, I now see that this is so. You are absolutely right. How could we have questioned you?"

To put it more specifically, no one here appears to think that the "prior definition" of marriage is that significant a debating point.

[portisizzle]

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD GO IN A ****ING PUBLIC SCHOOL LIBRARY DOES IT????

Hitler wrong "Mein Kampf", it doesn't mean I'm going to read it does it? Or that you'll find it in the fricken library does it?

WAKE UP...

http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/4_April/041703_mn_teaching_kindergarten_kids_human_differences_in_newton.shtml

Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton

First Grade Teachers from Brookline's Devotion School Reveal Their Plans

MassNews Staff

April 17, 2003

It hasn't been easy teaching children about homosexuality in the Newton schools because many parents are not happy with the plan, a social worker told the attendees at one of the Fistgate sessions held this year at Tufts University.

"I work in the Newton public schools, and a lot of times it can be a very reactionary group, and it has not been easy at all," said Laura Perkins, who is a social worker in the schools.

[Predicto]

Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is abnormal behavior.

That's about sums it up.

Blowjobs are a sin. Blowjobs are abnormal behavior.

That about sums it up.

[portisizzle]

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3617/is_200011/ai_n8920563

Teaching about homosexuality

NEA Today, Nov 2000

Find More Results for: "teaching homosexuality "

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Where the Bible leads...

Big misconceptions face those who teach about homosexuality, says Arthur Lipkin. Some people believe, for instance, that talking to kids about homosexuality will turn them into homosexuals or that talking about homosexuality means describing sexual practices.

But children do not become homosexual, points out Lipkin, a former English teacher now with the Harvard Graduate School of Education, because someone tells them about homosexuality.

And teachers routinely talk about heterosexual relationships in English and other classes without discussing sex acts, he adds. They can do the same for homosexual relationships.

Several new resources-including Lipkin's book Understanding Homosexuality, Changing Schools (Westview Press)-are now available to help teachers discuss homosexuality in age-appropriate ways.

[portisizzle]

Blowjobs are a sin. Blowjobs are abnormal behavior.

That about sums it up.

{Predicto using Portisizzle method of assuming victory as if everyone agrees}

Are you trying to be Socrates?

[DCsportsfan53]

Blowjobs are a sin. Blowjobs are abnormal behavior.

That about sums it up.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

God help us all.

[Sarge]

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD GO IN A ****ING PUBLIC SCHOOL LIBRARY DOES IT????

I don't know, you tell me

http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/RG-books_elementary.html

All Families are Different. Sol Gordon, Ph.D., Prometheus Books (2000). Grades 2 - 5. This book teaches children that there is no “normal” family, that all are different and equally valid. ISBN: 1573927651.

Am I Blue? Coming Out from the Silence, edited by Marion Dane Bauer (Harper) A collection of short stories written by 16 respected young adult authors, this is an essential book to put in the hands of any teenager dealing with his or her own sexuality or having a gay parent or friend. The stories cover the gamut of “takes” on gayness. The title story by Bruce Coville tells of a gay teenage boy who receives a gift from Melvin, his “fairy godfather”: For the boy’s eyes only, Melvin turns every gay person blue for a day so that the boy can see he’s not alone. What the boy discovers is that there are an amazing variety of shades of blue.

Amy Asks a Question: Grandma, What’s a Lesbian? Jeanne Arnold, Mother Courage Press (1996). Grades 2-5. A ten-year-old asks her lesbian grandmother a heartwarming question.

http://americansfortruth.com/issues/youth-and-schools/books/

NEA President (a Homosexual) Got Cozy with GLSEN, Promoted Pro-Homosexuality Curricula

Tuesday, November 7th, 2006

Excerpted from Gay History Month in City Schools Seen Part of Trend, by Susan Brinkmann, published Nov 6, 2006, by The Catholic Standard and Times:

…For the first time, this year ninth-grade students will read a collection of short stories titled, “Am I Blue?” which is about people who have been affected by the coming-out experiences of youth…

Until two parent groups hired Liberty Counsel lawyers to stop it, a Maryland school district curriculum was about to teach 8th- and 10th-graders that Jesus condoned homosexuality because He never mentioned it by name, that Christians often use the Bible to justify hatred and that being homosexual is similar to being left-handed.

[portisizzle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

God help us all.

Predicto only means it is a sin if you get a BJ from a man. You should be cool.......

[Commander_N_Chief]

Here's my takes on it being of a Christian background:

I will never understand why people continue to bring Jesus up in this subject, how many people have actually taken time to read the bible or have just assumed something? Yes the bible says no man may pass judgement, but only through God. Although for some reason people continue to forget the story of Sodem and Gamora where the entire city save Lot and his daughters were burned to ashes via fire and brimstone for reasons such as homosexuality. Or how about the story of Jesus telling the people whom were ready to stone an adulter: "ye without sin cast the first stone;" but how quickly you are to forget the rest of that story...you know the part where he says "I have forgiven thee of thy wickedness, now go and sin no more. Or when Jesus would dine and spend time with "sinners," yet so many just happen to leave out the fact that it wasn't because he accepted what he did; but tried to bring them to salvation. And those are just a few of the moments that everyone seems to be happy to take a portion out of context from what it really was.

Now that we have that out of the way, for me personally if you want to be gay...well then in all honesty go ahead and be gay, but while I'll respect you as a person...I don't have to respect or accept what you choose to do; besides it makes the female to male quota jump before you figure in lesbians. But here's what drives me insane, how someone who choses to be gay will go around and have gay pride marches, having the material taught in school systems, or feel we should just accept their way of life without complaints. Oh but while they go around parading during a gay pride march, they are the same ones that will openly say those that disagree with it shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion.

It goes both ways, if you want the freedom to announce your gay and be married, then others should have the right to voice that they are out of their minds and should be exiled(overly excessive I know). And in the end no matter how we see it, majority will win, and it looks like the majority wants the union of a man and woman to stand as the terminology of marriage...fine by me with no complaints.

[Predicto]

{Predicto using Portisizzle method of assuming victory as if everyone agrees}

Are you trying to be Socrates?

Socrates wishes he was as smart as me.

[portisizzle]

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD GO IN A ****ING PUBLIC SCHOOL LIBRARY DOES IT????

Hitler wrong "Mein Kampf", it doesn't mean I'm going to read it does it? Or that you'll find it in the fricken library does it?

This is where you apologize........

[Bang]

This entire post is a waste of time. You single me out and then smear every point I have tried to make. For you good sir.

1) I have no problem with gay union. What does a homosexual need with the concept of the definition of marriage anyhow. You would think they would prefer the term union.

2) Gays are the ones who say they are "wired" for homosexual activity. I did not know that this point was up for debate. Of course I will listen to your argument that homosexual activity is not "wired" with any human.

3) I am extremely tolerant. However I do not accept their behavior as normal. You do know the difference between the terms tolerance and acceptance?

4) For what it is worth.... :doh: ..... based on your thoughts why stop ANYONE from "marrying" ANYTHING. My point about the dog is quite relevant. Although you might be offended by the nature of the analogy.

5) Care to define marriage for me?

No I wouldn't care to "define" marriage.

That is word mincing, and i think it's cowardly to hide behind it. Apparently, to you this is about words, where to me it's about people.

I don't care about biblical definitions. i think they're exceedingly outdated, the lives led by modern humans is so radically different from the lives anyone in the bible ever considered living. I think they're as applicable in the modern world as a sundial is to tell time.

I'm married. I don't buy into the God thing. My marriage is still recognized, though, and the only difference between my marriage and a gay marriage is my wife is a woman. Like any other marriage, gay or straight, what we do with one another in our lives is

A/ not up to anyone else to judge, be it favorably or not, so long as we aren't hurting anyone.

and B/ our business entirely.

I'm not afraid of what may happen to the sanctity of my marriage if gay people are allowed to marry.

I'm not afraid that a couple of gay guys being married is going to make my son turn gay.

I'm not afraid of what will happen if gay people are afforded the same rights as I am.

You say you have no fear of a gay union,,, would that mean a compromise can be reached with those of your thinking that says if it not CALLED a marriage, they can still get the same rights?

that I could get behind. that would make everyone happy, i think.

I know a few gay people, and each of them want the right to marry not so they can wear a pretty dress, but because they want to be able to have some of the same benefits and controls over their lives that everyone else enjoys.

I mean, figure this. My friend Dave and his guy have been together for nearly 20 years. Under the present laws they can't claim to be married even though for all intents and purposes they are.

Now forget the money end of it,, the tax benefits, etc. If one of them gets sick, or has a bad accident and is left a vegetable, the other one in no way can make decisions for the other, because the insurance company will not recognize their union as permanent without a marriage certificate, and thus renders each other powerless to help in such a situation.

Whether anyone agrees with their lifestyle, whether anyone cam agree to their choice or their being born that way, no matter all of that, at the core of it all are people. And MOST of them are good productive members of our society.

why did i single you out?

Because of your idiotic analogy with the dog.

It is insulting to anyone trying to have a legitamate debate on the subject when you insist that marrying a dog is the same as marrying a person.

As i said, i know some of these people,, one of which is as conservative as you are.. you'd agree on many many things I'm sure.

If you felt personally persecuted by me, sorry, not my intent,, merely your posts were an example of the intolerance that makes me bristle.

As I said,, i see them as people. And it does bother me that in this day and age we can be so cold to them, especially when they are only different than you in who they choose to sleep with.

~Bang

[WeownU]

You know that is great and well and good. But until you can admit to me that marriage had a definition and that you need to acknowledge this I think I would be wasting my time responding.

{Predicto is this another example of me assuming victory?}

Nice cop out.

Let me ask you this. If I am an athiest, should I be allowed to marry???

Of course. Why??? Because marriage has nothing to do with the church. Strip away all the pretty little religious overtones of a wedding.....in a church, white dress, God forming a union of two people....blah blah blah.

Its all BS. All of it. Its a contract between two people to show the govt that they are acting as one sole entity.

Othwise, in order to get married, you'd have to prove a devotion to a certain faith, or the govt wouldn't recognize the marriage.

But guess what? The govt doesn't ask any sort of questions like that. In fact, the govt could care less if the church was involved in the wedding whatsoever. Just a judge, or JP. You know why? Have you figured it out yet? Guess........ITS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT RELIGION AND MARRIAGE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT FROM THE GOVT'S STANDPOINT.

And if thats the case, then for one group of people to stand up and say "HEY, THOSE PEOPLE CAN'T MARRY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIKE ME", is absolutely MORONIC, and it was the same argument that had NO RATIONAL BASIS behind it exactly like idiots not wanting to give blacks basic human rights, or give women the right to vote.

It all boils down to dimwitted people who are extremely intolerant of others because they are losers and only feel better about themselves when they point fingers and try to make other people feel bad about themselves.

[Johnny Punani]

Blowjobs are a sin. Blowjobs are abnormal behavior.

That about sums it up.

Exactly. If two guys blow each other it's a sin.

[no1fanofno21]

I think you might be missing Midnights point.

But it was fun listening to your gun go off.

Please restrain from physical threads on this board. Thanks.

Boy, I'm glad we invited you to our party.

I hope you enjoy the next message board you sign up for.

Not cool dude. You may want to edit the last part

I appoligize for using the words and language in my earlier post, this is just a touchy subject to me, and hearing some views just made me loose my cool.

Sorry to Midnight, it was disgraceful and not something i would typically say, just the heat of the moment.

I have removed my earlier post.