At least 7 states ban gay marriage...

[NoCalMike]

I always use TV as an analogy for this. Look 50 years ago. Lucy and Ricky couldn't even be shown in the same bed together. Now you have Nip/Tuck and Real Sex

The homo's are going to keep pushing and pushing, bits and pieces at a time. Look at this thread. There are already people here, mostly kids, that think that being homo is normal, call it "Same sex marriage", are now using the term "opposite sex marriage" to refer to normal people, obstensively to put their behavior on the same moral ground. They equate the issue to the fight to civil rights etc.

Now, with it being in the Constitution, you can get all the ACLU lawyers you want.

It ain't gonna happen

What are the homos pushing for? Equal Rights under the law, correct? What ELSE are they pushing for?

[codeorama]

Originally Posted by zoony

I find it highly ironic that the same right wingers who demand that the governement not touch their guns, and demand that the government stay the hell out of their lives, and demand that the government reduce taxes... these are the same people begging the government to step back into our lives to prevent actions they personally don't approve of. How do you justify that?

So because they're wired differently, you would begrudge them some of the things that make life worth living, like finding a mate, marrying them and doing the domestic thing... equal treatment under the law, equal insurance benefits, equal say in the lives of their mates,, etc.

I'd hate to see how you treat people in wheelchairs. i mean, them people just ain't right. god meant for them to be walking around, that's why he gave them two legs... why in hell theirs don't work must be their punishment for something. Blind people must be simply freaks, especially if they were born that way.

Live and let live?

Turn the other cheek?

Love thy neighbor?

Compassion?

Any of that kind of stuff your boy Jesus taught ever ring a bell?

Your entire participation in this thread is one of judgment. You've judged that because they're "wired differently" then they deserve to be treated like 3rd class citizens or worse.

You've used an utterly idiotic analogy between a human being and a dog to try to make a point you insist you've made, when in reality you haven't.

(those who you're trying to convince do not accept the dog as an adequate analogy to a person. It kind of ruins your attempt at a point when those you're arguing with laugh at your chosen illustration)

However, you , being non-judgmental of the differently wired person, have compared him to a dog.

Not that any of this will matter, i figured I'd say my piece.

Now back to your regularly scheduled intolerance.

~Bang

These 2 quotes hit the nail on the head for me. And with them, I will step out as well.

Pure hypocracy from those on the right. The government shouldn't step in for this or that, BUT, when someone is different, you need protection... :doh:

Sad. So much intolerance.

[NoCalMike]

I said I wouldn't add anything to this thread but whatever...

I saw this same situation happen right before my very eyes. One of my ex's was friends with a group of girls that all experimented and 3 of the 4 of them turned completely lesbian. Yeah right...after college was over they all got married to MEN and most now have children.

Its all about what you experienced. From that experience I decided being gay is a choice. But from my co-worker who is lesbian she says she was born that way. All through school she felt different. What's wierd is that she was married for several years to a man? I don't buy it.

Personally, (I know I'm going to get flamed) I don't think you are born gay. I think something attracts you to either the lifestyle, or care the person will give you. Being the rebel, or the drama that surely exists when two people of the same sex are in a relationship.

Just my :2cents:

Experimenting in College, and being in a long-term comitted relationship with someone you love are completely different things, and what exactly is the "gay lifestyle" My Uncle happens to be gay and you wouldn't know unless he told you, his "lifestyle" is no different then anyone else, he works, pays taxes etc....

[Coooleeey]

I'd hate to see how you treat people in wheelchairs. i mean, them people just ain't right. god meant for them to be walking around, that's why he gave them two legs... why in hell theirs don't work must be their punishment for something. Blind people must be simply freaks, especially if they were born that way.

Live and let live?

Turn the other cheek?

Love thy neighbor?

Compassion?

Any of that kind of stuff your boy Jesus taught ever ring a bell?

~Bang

Your argument is bunk. People in wheelchairs are disabled. We make ramps and elevators for them to access buildings. They have license plates, and stickers for their vehicle so they can park closer and easily access their intended location. We train animals to assist blind people.

Are you saying gay people are disabled? In that case should they be forced to have special license plates? I don't get the logic.

And for the record, I am nice to disabled people. I treat them very well, hold open doors, assist in any way possible.

[DCsportsfan53]

Actually, the analogy I'd heard was that they're "defending the sanctity of an institution" that can be performed on two drunks by an Elvis impersonator.

:rotflmao:

well said, very well said.

[WeownU]

I always use TV as an analogy for this. Look 50 years ago. Lucy and Ricky couldn't even be shown in the same bed together. Now you have Nip/Tuck and Real Sex

The homo's are going to keep pushing and pushing,

Wow, thats quite a stretch there don't you think?

Comparing I love lucy from the 50's to Nip/Tuck and real sex of today, nevermind the fact that Lucy was on network tv, and the other two you mentioned are on cable.

But if that wasn't enough, I'm still struggling with how you make the connection that the gays are responsible.

[Predicto]

Show me two committed gay men.

I've known quite a few gay men and lesbians over the years and not one of them stayed with a partner for more than a few years at the longest.

My personal experience.

I have already given you my experience to the contrary.

Our best friends have been together since high school. They are 43 and 42 years old now.

I know many other couples with similar situations.

Plus, I would argue that not allowing them to marry has a lot to do with the transitory nature of most gay relationships. I thought we wanted to encourage such things.

[Sarge]

Here's where the gay issue starts to lose people, and why this stuff ends up on ballots

I had to search Chommie's library. These were way in the back. Almost.......in the closet

People definately don't want to see this crap in their kids schools.

Hence, the majority have spoke

But don't worry, I'm sure the ACLU will get some judge to declare the people's will invalid

I'm surprised it's taken this long

[WeownU]

Gays should absolutely have the right to marry.

They deserve the right to be as unhappy as everyone else.

[rincewind]

Here's where the gay issue starts to lose people, and why this stuff ends up on ballots

I had to search Chommie's library. These were way in the back. Almost.......in the closet

People definately don't want to see this crap in their kids schools.

Hence, the majority have spoke

But don't worry, I'm sure the ACLU will get some judge to declare the people's will invalid

I'm surprised it's taken this long

Just because you're in the majority doesn't make you right. A lot of times it just makes you a sheep.

[portisizzle]

So because they're wired differently, you would begrudge them some of the things that make life worth living, like finding a mate, marrying them and doing the domestic thing... equal treatment under the law, equal insurance benefits, equal say in the lives of their mates,, etc.

I'd hate to see how you treat people in wheelchairs. i mean, them people just ain't right. god meant for them to be walking around, that's why he gave them two legs... why in hell theirs don't work must be their punishment for something. Blind people must be simply freaks, especially if they were born that way.

Live and let live?

Turn the other cheek?

Love thy neighbor?

Compassion?

Any of that kind of stuff your boy Jesus taught ever ring a bell?

Your entire participation in this thread is one of judgment. You've judged that because they're "wired differently" then they deserve to be treated like 3rd class citizens or worse.

You've used an utterly idiotic analogy between a human being and a dog to try to make a point you insist you've made, when in reality you haven't.

(those who you're trying to convince do not accept the dog as an adequate analogy to a person. It kind of ruins your attempt at a point when those you're arguing with laugh at your chosen illustration)

However, you , being non-judgmental of the differently wired person, have compared him to a dog.

Not that any of this will matter, i figured I'd say my piece.

Now back to your regularly scheduled intolerance.

~Bang

This entire post is a waste of time. You single me out and then smear every point I have tried to make. For you good sir.

1) I have no problem with gay union. What does a homosexual need with the concept of the definition of marriage anyhow. You would think they would prefer the term union.

2) Gays are the ones who say they are "wired" for homosexual activity. I did not know that this point was up for debate. Of course I will listen to your argument that homosexual activity is not "wired" with any human.

3) I am extremely tolerant. However I do not accept their behavior as normal. You do know the difference between the terms tolerance and acceptance?

4) For what it is worth.... :doh: ..... based on your thoughts why stop ANYONE from "marrying" ANYTHING. My point about the dog is quite relevant. Although you might be offended by the nature of the analogy.

5) Care to define marriage for me?

[WeownU]

5) Care to define marriage for me?

This question wasn't addressed to me, but I'll answer it.

Marriage is a business contract. No more, no less. Thats how the govt see's it.

Everything else attributed to it is done so by the people who join in the contract. But from the govt's perspective, its all about business. Throw religion out of it, it has no place in the definition whatsoever.

Since it is a business contract between two people, ALL people should be given the right to enter into said contract.

[portisizzle]

Just because you're in the majority doesn't make you right. A lot of times it just makes you a sheep.

That's rich.

I want to see a % of parent that would object to this type of reading material in school. You want to call them sheep?

[Sarge]

Just because you're in the majority doesn't make you right. A lot of times it just makes you a sheep.

It also makes you the WINNER

You know, the one with more points, more votes?

The prevailing attitude

You know, the normal people

[portisizzle]

This question wasn't addressed to me, but I'll answer it.

Marriage is a business contract. No more, no less. Thats how the govt see's it.

Everything else attributed to it is done so by the people who join in the contract. But from the govt's perspective, its all about business. Throw religion out of it, it has no place in the definition whatsoever.

Since it is a business contract between two people, ALL people should be given the right to enter into said contract.

You are wrong. Marriage is the foundation of religion. The government got into the business of marriage for tax purposes. Care to give me the definition of marriage prior to the government getting involved?

[rincewind]

It also makes you the WINNER

You know, the one with more points, more votes?

The prevailing attitude

You know, the normal people

So, more people in this world like the music of Britney Spears than that of Jelly Roll Morton. Does that make those Spears fans right, or make her a better musician? Or even normal?

[rincewind]

That's rich.

I want to see a % of parent that would object to this type of reading material in school. You want to call them sheep?

I didn't say it automatically made you sheep - just that the huddled masses aren't always the best at thinking on an individual level. You going to call the PTA on me?

[Big Weirdo]

It also makes you the WINNER

You know, the one with more points, more votes?

The prevailing attitude

You know, the normal people

I've never felt this before. Can someone please try and explain how it feels?

[Larry]

I said I wouldn't add anything to this thread but whatever...

I saw this same situation happen right before my very eyes. One of my ex's was friends with a group of girls that all experimented and 3 of the 4 of them turned completely lesbian. Yeah right...after college was over they all got married to MEN and most now have children.

Its all about what you experienced. From that experience I decided being gay is a choice. But from my co-worker who is lesbian she says she was born that way. All through school she felt different. What's wierd is that she was married for several years to a man? I don't buy it.

Personally, (I know I'm going to get flamed) I don't think you are born gay. I think something attracts you to either the lifestyle, or care the person will give you. Being the rebel, or the drama that surely exists when two people of the same sex are in a relationship.

Just my :2cents:

The only problem with your position is:

Show me someone who's saying "It's a choice", and I'll show you someone who's saying "A government-enforced system of deliberate, mandatory discrimination against an unliked minority is OK with me because . . . "

"It's a choice", even if true, doesn't mean society should enforce unequal civil rights. It's just an attempt at justification.

The only people who care about why people are gay, are people who want to discriminate.

[portisizzle]

I didn't say it automatically made you sheep - just that the huddled masses aren't always the best at thinking on an individual level. You going to call the PTA on me?

You have no point. That is all.

[WeownU]

That's rich.

I want to see a % of parent that would object to this type of reading material in school. You want to call them sheep?

And exactly what school is going to put that book in their library for little kids to read?

Thats the problem here. Ignorant people like sarge, who go to extremes with thier examples to make a point. A point that isn't even well made because they had to go to extremes to make it.

Boil it down........we're talking about the rights of others ina country that stresses that "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL", and you get someone like sarge who turns that into a kids book about why daddy has a male roomate.

Please tell me you can seperate the two. Propaganda for fools if you can't.

[Sarge]

So, more people in this world like the music of Britney Spears than that of Jelly Roll Morton. Does that make those Spears fans right, or make her a better musician? Or even normal?

Look, I know you all that grew up in the 90's have a hard time with this concept of winner/loser, right/wrong

All of you got little trophies when you were on sports teams, whether you won anything or not

And nobody got "F's" in school, becasue well, that would hurt someone's feeeeelings. They might feel bad that they got an "F" and everyone else passed.

But it's the way it is in the real world

More people voted to ban this BS than to make it OK

More people think being homo is perverted than think it's normal behavior

The Real World

[portisizzle]

And exactly what school is going to put that book in their library for little kids to read?

Thats the problem here. Ignorant people like sarge, who go to extremes with thier examples to make a point. A point that isn't even well made because they had to go to extremes to make it.

Boil it down........we're talking about the rights of others ina country that stresses that "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL", and you get someone like sarge who turns that into a kids book about why daddy has a male roomate.

Please tell me you can seperate the two. Propaganda for fools if you can't.

WHY ****ING WRITE THE BOOK IF TO NOT PRESENT IT TO KIDS????

Propaganda indeed.

[no1fanofno21]

Can't you guys see gay marriage is destroying regular marriage and gay people don't have the rights the rest of us do because they are beneath us. GOD SAID SO and God is never wrong and neither is the bible. Just last week somebody I knew got a divorce. The husband was sleeping with another woman but clearly this marriage was ruined by all ther gays. Furthermore, gays should not have the right to vote, and they should all have to register weith the sex offender list because gays are all pedophiles.

Hey, it ain't easy trying to out-ignorance Sarge.

[rincewind]

Look, I know you all that grew up in the 90's have a hard time with this concept of winner/loser, right/wrong

All of you got little trophies when you were on sports teams, whether you won anything or not

And nobody got "F's" in school, becasue well, that would hurt someone's feeeeelings. They might feel bad that they got an "F" and everyone else passed.

But it's the way it is in the real world

More people voted to ban this BS than to make it OK

More people think being homo is perverted than think it's normal behavior

The Real World

Boy are you barking up the wrong tree with that tired argument. I hate PC, wussy liberals - they give us a bad name.

You did nothing to refute my point that the majority doesn't necessarily equal right - even when put to a vote. I know you're archaic, intolerant, cavemanish side won, and I have to deal with that - doesn't mean you're right.