MaxHardware Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 The kickers on the team get little attention, but they're as much a concern as the O-lin depth (or lack thereof) and the quarterback questions. Last year the kickoff kickers generally gave our defense a hard time by rarely kicking the ball all the way into the end zone. What's your take on the kicking situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmangos02 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 well Hall was hurt so he was lacking some ability to get some distance. lets hope he's feeling better this year with a rest and hope he stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paredskinsfan Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I think Hall will be alright , it's Frost that has got to go!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaE Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I think Hall will be alright , it's Frost that has got to go!!!! I agree with you 100%. I heard the Skins are very interested in seeing how the other punter in camp (Lonie?) can do. He's an Australian and they are very high on him. I'd have to think he can only be an improvement over Frost, who is way too unpredictable with his punts. He really hurt us last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 You have to remember, when they changed the kickoff line from the 35 to the 30 (I guess it was about 10 yrs ago), they wanted to put the return back into the game. When Hall was younger, he would boot them out of the endzone, and was considered the best kickoff man. But nowadays, if a kicker can get it to the goal line, it's considered a good kickoff. I think that now he has recovered from his injury, You'll see better results this year. Good topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSkins Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Hall is so inconsistent and injury prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKSkinsFan Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 It'd be nice to have a punter who could handle the kickoffs as well e.g. Mitch Berger. That way we could rest Hall's leg and not worry about him injuring himself throwing himself into the pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Considering that the Skins average margin of victory last year was 3.5 points, I'd say the kicking game is very, very important. There were two games last year where kicking played a role in the loss: --- The Skins would have won the Chargers game if Hall could have hit that 52 yarder. --- The Skins probably would have won the Denver game if Novak's kick hadn't been blocked. Punting was a bigger problem. The Skins averaged 40.3 gross and 36.5 net yards/punt, which was about 28th best in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 The kickers on the team get little attention, but they're as much a concern as the O-lin depth (or lack thereof) and the quarterback questions. Last year the kickoff kickers generally gave our defense a hard time by rarely kicking the ball all the way into the end zone.What's your take on the kicking situation? Very good point, and no one else seems too concerned, but I think we have issues there. Frost has to go, no question. I would have even favored drafting a punter late. Hall is iffy to me. Seems like for the past, what 10 years, we can't keep a kicker healthy. If Hall stays healthy, I think he's a mid-level kicker (at this point in his career), but they better update their rolodex! Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Punting was a bigger problem. The Skins averaged 40.3 gross and 36.5 net yards/punt, which was about 28th best in the NFL. My father-in-law and I talk about this all the time. Considering how poor our punting was and the great field position we gave our opponents, it makes what our defense did last year look even more remarkable. Just think how good our defense would be if they didn't have to play on a short field every game! Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryClark4Canton Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 My father-in-law and I talk about this all the time. Considering how poor our punting was and the great field position we gave our opponents, it makes what our defense did last year look even more remarkable.Just think how good our defense would be if they didn't have to play on a short field every game! Hail, H Excellent point and one i've been wrestling with for quite some time. I cringe everytime we either kickoff, kick a field goal, or punt. And also, returning punts was an adventure as well!!! With the addition of Antwaan Randle El, our return situation should solidify. BUT, the kicking game is still VERY questionable. Everyone is saying "Hall is healthy, he'll be fine" but I'm not so sure. And that still does not fully address our punt, kickoff, or field goal aspects. It will be very interesting to see how this all plays itself out. I will be watching our special teams intently in the upcoming preseason games. GC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogie Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Here's the situation: John Hall is a loser. He'll get hurt again this year and possibly cost us MULTIPLE games. He's basically stealing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Here's the situation: John Hall is a loser. He'll get hurt again this year and possibly cost us MULTIPLE games. He's basically stealing money. Well there you go. That issue is settled. Next question.... Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Here's the situation: John Hall is a loser. He'll get hurt again this year and possibly cost us MULTIPLE games. He's basically stealing money. I think that is a little harsh. From what it was posted in the medial it seems that the medical staff and Hall had not realized how bad the injury was. He has had surgery to repair damage that kept causing the injury. If this works and yes I know its an if here, Hall is top 5 in accuracy in the league. Its not by chance Gibbs has given him so many chances to come back. When healthy the guy is money. So here is to hoping the surgery repaired the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojobo Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Here's the situation: John Hall is a loser. He'll get hurt again this year and possibly cost us MULTIPLE games. He's basically stealing money. Give the guy a preseason to see if he has recovered before you say this. Hall when healthy is deffinantly an asset. That guy from Australia is supposedly very good (from the scouting reports when we signed him) and will hopefully make the team over Frost and be able to handle kickoffs and be the emergency kicker. Can't wait to see what he does in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 can you really count on a rugby import to be the starting punter come September? I think the team needs to check the waiver wire and see if a veteran is released over the summer as a salary dump when a younger guy catches fire, etc. Hall is fine if he is healthy. At this point of the offseason the chances of landing a quality kicker are slim. Teams realize that most games now come down to 7 points or less and the kicker has gotten a higher profile as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Our kicking situation is poor at best. Frost does nothing to help the situation. The point about pinning other teams in to unleash our D is a good one. Hall was inconsistent with the Jets and he's been just as inconsistent with us. We need to catch a break in these two areas or it will be a struggle again this season. I'm very concerned about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softballer Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I am not sold on Frost but let's not jinx him until after we see if training camp competition helps him. I like Hall's attitude. He is not afraid to stick his helmet in there and make the tackle if he has to. He delivered a few good licks last season. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder7 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Hall was inconsistent with the Jets and he's been just as inconsistent with us. I don't necessarily agree with this. Most of his inconsistencies have had to do with injuries, which I think is his bigger problem. He seems to have developed some leg problems over the last few years. His stats from 2005 are actually pretty good for the 10 games he did play in. He he 85.7% (12/14) of his field goals and 100% of the extra points. Perfect inside 40 yards (7/7), 5/6 (40-49) and 0/1 (50+ yards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 The kickers on the team get little attention, but they're as much a concern as the O-lin depth (or lack thereof) and the quarterback questions. Last year the kickoff kickers generally gave our defense a hard time by rarely kicking the ball all the way into the end zone.What's your take on the kicking situation? I definitely concerned here. However, as long as Gibbs is still a praying man, we'll be allright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggorules Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Couldn't the Skins have 2 kickers? One for accuracy, and one for distance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big daddy ben Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 frost was so bad last year he made me sick! but who cares about kickers this year we want need thim. even hall can kick six extra points a game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I am not sold on Frost but let's not jinx him until after we see if training camp competition helps him. I like Hall's attitude. He is not afraid to stick his helmet in there and make the tackle if he has to. He delivered a few good licks last season. :dallasuck Yeah, but you don't exactly want your kicker to be making many tackles at the 50 after kicking the ball to the 15. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Skins kicking game is their weakest point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSkins Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 how did Hall do in the scrimmage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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