Jump to content
Washington Football Team Logo
Extremeskins

Native Americans and REDskins


ThomasRoane

Recommended Posts

Not all Native Americans think of it as an insult. I hate the media's penchant for painting the outspoken minority as the true majority in a matter. Here's a quote from Sitting Bull that I dug up from Nativeamericans.com.

Sitting Bull, Hunkpapa Sioux

"I am a red man. If the Great Spirit had desired me to be a white man he

would have made me so in the first place. He put in your heart certain

wishes and plans, in my heart he put other and different desires. Each man

is good in his sight. It is not necessary for Eagles to be Crows. We are

poor..but we are free. No white man controls our footsteps. If we must

die...we die defending our rights."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I work for an organization that deals exclusivley with Native Americans (which always makes discussion of football a touchy subject when I'm on the "rez"). From 2003: "Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said in her decision Wednesday that she found no evidence that the name could be considered disparaging at the time that the trademark protections were first granted to the team in 1967."

"By waiting so long to exercise their rights, defendants make it difficult for any fact-finder to affirmatively state that in 1967 the trademarks were disparaging."

Look at the wording, It says AT THE TIME (1967) the trademark was first granted, the name wasn't considered disparaging.

Just my opinion, not speaking for my company- It is a derogatory term, plain and simple. Will the tribes ever get it removed? Probably not. As long as you can understand the argument, you're better off than folks in 1967 I guess.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You know a lot of tribes in the Northeast painted themselves red when going to war. I believe one of the tribes names even means "Redskin" in its native translation, though I can't remember which.

Just a thought. I don't have strong feelings on it one way or another. It doesn't help that the first owner was a notorious racist though, even for his time.

:munchout:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I work for an organization that deals exclusivley with Native Americans (which always makes discussion of football a touchy subject when I'm on the "rez"). From 2003: "Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said in her decision Wednesday that she found no evidence that the name could be considered disparaging at the time that the trademark protections were first granted to the team in 1967."

"By waiting so long to exercise their rights, defendants make it difficult for any fact-finder to affirmatively state that in 1967 the trademarks were disparaging."

Look at the wording, It says AT THE TIME (1967) the trademark was first granted, the name wasn't considered disparaging.

Just my opinion, not speaking for my company- It is a derogatory term, plain and simple. Will the tribes ever get it removed? Probably not. As long as you can understand the argument, you're better off than folks in 1967 I guess.

The term does come from when the Native Americans would paint themselves red for combat. Plain and simple. If your opinion is that its a derogatory term then why have your user name Redskinnutt I understand your love for the team but if you don't like the term you should not use it. I am not harping on you just trying to understand your logic.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just my opinion, not speaking for my company- It is a derogatory term, plain and simple. Will the tribes ever get it removed? Probably not. As long as you can understand the argument, you're better off than folks in 1967 I guess.

You are entitled to your opinion, BUT according to my grandmother (who is 93 and a Redskins fan) who is also HALF Cherokee Indian do NOT think it is a derogatory name.

She LOVES the Redskins!!!!

SI did a survey a couple of years ago and concluded that over 80% of Native Americans did NOT think the term "Redskins" was a derogatory name just like my grandmother.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have a Native American friend (Seneca tribe) who works for an organization for Indian affairs in Washington. She is involved in all sorts of Indian affairs mainly focusing on housing but I asked her one day about whether or not she was offended by the Redskin name and she told me that Native Americans have a lot more to worry about than the name of a football team.

Dan

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If they change the name of the Redskins to "be more PC" I will tomahawk someones ass!!!

Plain and Simple...you cant change the name of the greatest franchise in the NFL.

Native Americans that hate need to get over it and jump on the bandwagon!!!

:logo: :logo: :logo: :logo: :logo: :logo:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You are entitled to your opinion, BUT according to my grandmother (who is 93 and a Redskins fan) who is also HALF Cherokee Indian do NOT think it is a derogatory name.

She LOVES the Redskins!!!!

SI did a survey a couple of years ago and concluded that over 80% of Native Americans did NOT think the term "Redskins" was a derogatory name just like my grandmother.

I guarantee you that the 20% of Native Americans that didn't like the name were from the north and southwest and were unschooled on the traditions of other tribes.

Remember there was much diversity in preinvasion America, it wasn't like they all had some common sociological bond. It is a sad thing that so many stupid analysts compare Redskins by saying, "What if it was Blackskins"

I don't mind a dissagreement, but saying that is just so so dumb. We should respect the warrior culture of certain tribes - not all but many of the tribes held war and warriors as holy things and combat was a big part of their existence much like the Romans and the philosophical ideal of a "Spartan".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Native Americans have an important place in this country's history. The "Redskin" logo shows a proud face of a Native American - and shows him as tough and strong. The franchise is not making fun of their heritage in any way shape or form, but to me it is celebrating it, by celebrating the Native American's toughness, resourcefulness, and unity in combat. People get so worked up over the dumbest things sometimes. The name itself should be less important than how the culture is portrayed. I am Irish and I would think it is far more insulting to have the Notre Dame team have it's mascot be a drunk fighting Irishman (though it doesn't bother me at all) than it is for a team who portrays a tough Native American who hopefully more often than not, whoops up on the Cowboys (just as sometimes happened in American history)!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"Remember there was much diversity in preinvasion America, it wasn't like they all had some common sociological bond. It is a sad thing that so many stupid analysts compare Redskins by saying, "What if it was Blackskins""

I dont understand why everyone gets so upset with these names. Redskins, Blackskins, Whiteskins, Yellowskins....... Whats the big deal? That is the color of our skin soooooooo how is it bad? I really wouldnt care if I lived on an indian reservation and they called me white man.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here we go again...the annual PC thread.

Ha! Whenever I see a thread like this I think of Pink Floyd on the dark side of the moon's CD. The whole CD and I play both in its entirey. As a matter of fact, I'll stick it in while I suck these last few hours at my desk. If you like we can change the name to the Washington Skins. But then again I went to Eastern H.S., so don't mind me. Uh, Pink Floyd time.... Anyway Go Skins Win and all I want is a Super Bowl. Can we share thoughts that makes our team better! Yeah Pink Floyd and the tramp!

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know a social worker who use to work on Native American reservations in California. He said that the Redskins are the most popular team amungst the Native Americans. He said that they had hats and jerseys and supported the team against all others. He told me that most of them felt that the team represented their history, and it put their history on display each week.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I worked on a reservation at a casino for 8 years. I had seral Native American friends and co-workers. Not a single one of them found the name or logo to be offensive. There were also several that wore Redskin gear.

I saw one Native American wear a Cowboy jersy...I found this offensive...lol!

But seriously, the bottom line, is we all adore and some might even say "worship" to some extent the name and logo.

If they ever changed it, I would be deastated beyond belief...I would end up on a clock tower with a gun or something.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I work for an organization that deals exclusivley with Native Americans (which always makes discussion of football a touchy subject when I'm on the "rez"). From 2003: "Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said in her decision Wednesday that she found no evidence that the name could be considered disparaging at the time that the trademark protections were first granted to the team in 1967."

"By waiting so long to exercise their rights, defendants make it difficult for any fact-finder to affirmatively state that in 1967 the trademarks were disparaging."

Look at the wording, It says AT THE TIME (1967) the trademark was first granted, the name wasn't considered disparaging.

Just my opinion, not speaking for my company- It is a derogatory term, plain and simple. Will the tribes ever get it removed? Probably not. As long as you can understand the argument, you're better off than folks in 1967 I guess.

Well, we cant play dodgeball in school anymore, is that improvement? Im not native american, and I do realize that a lot has changed since 1967, and racism is a horrible thing, but since then the US has crossed over to the other end of the spectrum, and is way over sensitive to every little thing. I think maybe Cris Carter was on Jim Rome is Burning awhile ago talking about team names and PCism, and he said "If even one person finds something offensive, it should be done away with" That is a paraphrase, but it is very close to exactly what he said, and it was one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Anyone can find anyhting offensive.

I hope people dont find the name Redskins offensive, and I dont know what the spirit of the original naming was, but today it is a loved and proud franchise, and i really dont think it should be offensive to anyone.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think maybe Cris Carter was on Jim Rome is Burning awhile ago talking about team names and PCism, and he said "If even one person finds something offensive, it should be done away with" That is a paraphrase, but it is very close to exactly what he said, and it was one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Anyone can find anyhting offensive.

I hear ya. Seems like everyone is so PC that you can't say anything. People got to learn that the world isn't fair. So they just need to deal with it, do your own thing and move on. There are so many more important issues to deal with nowadays then a team nickname.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...