Ax Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I voted no. While I commend your efforts, I see it as bandaids on chainsaw wounds. I believe the one vote that would turn this country towards getting lots of our problems solved is a vote for Political Independents, not just energy independence. If this fall, in every State/County/Local election, every voter, voted Independent straight down the line, you'd see the Rebublican and Democratic parties scurrying around like roaches caught in the daylight. Unless and until the two parties are forced to actually work on our problems, they won't. Unfortunately, this will never happen. Too many numbskulls on both sides that are more interested in their party instead of their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Yes. While I know the intial impact of the plan would be to raise the cost of driving, I don't mind paying for policies that would benefit future generations. As well as myself when I'm retired and living on a fixed income. I was always taught that you sacrifice now for future benefits. I haven't always followed that principle, but I do believe in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 As the topic is energy indepedence, I'll vote yes. The bigger problem is that American's are serious consumers and use up too much energy; our driving is just one of many problems. I mean, we sit in front of computers all day.... :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 OK, who ****ed up the poll? There are only 40 registered users in the 'gate right now, but suddenly 56 "NO" votes appear out of nowhere. It's like this is ****in' Florida or something. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Vader in '08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 So much for our little experiment in Democracy. TK...just....*sigh* :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Also the Hybrids are a waste once you figure the extra costs in manufacturing and disposing,maintaining them,therefore you are encouraging waste.A tax credit for moving close to work or a high gas mileage vehicle tax credit would be more effective ,rather than hybrid imo . Incentives to buy hybrids = motivation to advance electric technology. Yeah they aren't great now but pushing them moves us closer to where we want to be. BTW - I voted no because 29mph is too low. Personally I'd say that any automaker that wants to sell cars here has to have at least one fully functional hydrogen or completely electric car in 12 years time. Screw gas, it's time to get rid of that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 So much for our little experiment in Democracy.TK...just....*sigh* :doh: dont blame TK just cause of what I said, I just thought it was a funny line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 And so, the effort to create a board by the posters, of the posters, and for the posters was crushed by the evil pseudo-fascist moderators. Rumor has it that the rebel leader, honorary_hog went into seclusion to plan his guerrilla-thread counter offensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 And so, the effort to create a board by the posters, of the posters, and for the posters was crushed by the evil pseudo-fascist moderators.Rumor has it that the rebel leader, honorary_hog went into seclusion to plan his guerrilla-thread counter offensive... well the empire has one comfort, your no Jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 dont blame TK just cause of what I said, I just thought it was a funny line I'm not. Most of the moderators chimed in early with, "This is a great idea," etc. TK didn't respond as I recall. And he likes to **** with people in the tailgate (in a purely joking manner, of course, which I get). I'm probably being punished for my participation in the early days of the AHFB. Like I said though, A counter-offensive is already in the works! CHE, *****es! CHE! (Who in the heck ever thought you'd hear ME say that!) :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 honestly I think who ever stuffed the ballot didnt do it enough. DjTj came out early in the thread and basically said you no voters better tell me why you dont think we are right so I can correct you instead of just leaving it to a quite vote. Your cabal of ballot box intimidators was worse than anything Vader dreamed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 So much for our little experiment in Democracy.TK...just....*sigh* :doh: I was actually going to suggest to you before that we make the polls the kind where you can see who voted for what. When you think about it, we're not really putting this up to like a poll of the country, it's more like the Tailgate is Congress itself, so people shouldn't be able to hide their votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I wonder how many people vote in polls based solely on what the current high percentage is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Incentives to buy hybrids = motivation to advance electric technology. Yeah they aren't great now but pushing them moves us closer to where we want to be.BTW - I voted no because 29mph is too low. Personally I'd say that any automaker that wants to sell cars here has to have at least one fully functional hydrogen or completely electric car in 12 years time. Screw gas, it's time to get rid of that crap. I feel devoting the money to research would accomplish more,faster,than subsidizing inferior technology. There are combustion engines capable of similar (or greater) mileage available now...subsidize them,if you must... Which might help create demand for them...Which is the REAL problem>US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 I was actually going to suggest to you before that we make the polls the kind where you can see who voted for what. When you think about it, we're not really putting this up to like a poll of the country, it's more like the Tailgate is Congress itself, so people shouldn't be able to hide their votes. Yeah, I know. I meant to do that and screwed it up. Oh well. My rebellion has only begun..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I voted no. 1. I hate tariffs. 2. I hate government regulation of private industry. 3. I think this, like many of our current laws, is completely UnConstitutional. 4. If Ron Paul would vote against it, I would too. Representative Paul votes nay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 well as a member of the commite i put my final stamp of aproval on this bill, time to open up the next issue edit: wow, guess nobody else liked it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefBigMeat Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I don't find this agreeable because it looks like an all-too typical "aesthetic value only" legislation -- to be able to say, we passed an energy consevation bill ... but one that doesn't really get much done. 29 mpg? that scales to what? 50 mpg by 2050? IMHO, the direction to go is alternative technology -- regulate automakers in a way to encourage this switch. Right now, the U.S. is putting Mexican farmers out of business because we sell Mexico corn cheaper than they can make it themselves. We are great at making plant biomass -- cheap! Hemp and grasses could do as well, if not better. Farm hydrogen with hydo and wind power ... We need to get into position to be the world's biggest energy EXPORTER. .... energy farming ... that's the ticket;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raub Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I voted no. While I commend your efforts, I see it as bandaids on chainsaw wounds.I believe the one vote that would turn this country towards getting lots of our problems solved is a vote for Political Independents, not just energy independence. If this fall, in every State/County/Local election, every voter, voted Independent straight down the line, you'd see the Rebublican and Democratic parties scurrying around like roaches caught in the daylight. Unless and until the two parties are forced to actually work on our problems, they won't. Unfortunately, this will never happen. Too many numbskulls on both sides that are more interested in their party instead of their country. Ax got it right. Everyone else might have given a good answer, but you're still wrong. Congrats Ax, you have the answer. I'll be doing my best to encourage this plan of action, but I still see it failin.g Let's hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I don't find this agreeable because it looks like an all-too typical "aesthetic value only" legislation -- to be able to say, we passed an energy consevation bill ... but one that doesn't really get much done.29 mpg? that scales to what? 50 mpg by 2050? :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: IMHO, the direction to go is alternative technology -- regulate automakers in a way to encourage this switch. Again...what I said in my original post. Ethanol is one way to go, but there are other much more promising technologies that we should be exploring. Right now, the U.S. is putting Mexican farmers out of business because we sell Mexico corn cheaper than they can make it themselves.We are great at making plant biomass -- cheap! Hemp and grasses could do as well, if not better. Farm hydrogen with hydo and wind power ... We need to get into position to be the world's biggest energy EXPORTER. .... energy farming ... that's the ticket;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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