turtle Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 There's a hot place in hell for these sick *******! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I've never truly understood mob mentality. To me, if I see thousands of people in the middle of the street, rioting and destroying stuff, my first thought would be "Exit, stage Left". Also, rape has to be one of the worst crimes EVER. Seeing a woman, much less a little child screaming and crying as....Well, you know what I'm getting at, I'm not going to get into anymore detail. Mob mentality or not, you are one F'd up person if you could take part. One of the sad things you come to realize, herrmag, is how weak many people are. And of course, there are situations where we would do nothing for fear of our own lives, when courage and honor demanded something different. Even "good men" are weak too, just not prone to evil acts. Just think of all the good people who lined up outside of a ditch in Europe while they looked at a pile of corpses freshly made. Why not fight? Did any of them honestly think they would live? Once you know you will die, what is the point in going along? HUman beings are odd creatures. But yes, there is no excuse for PARTICIPATING voluntarily in such evil acts. Again, evil and barbarism are just beneath the surface of many of our fellow men. I guess we can hope they avoid situations where it surfaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 This article offers more details http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/07/09/state/n192544D70.DTL These two points seem to tell the tale: The victim, who suffered no serious physical injuries, was taken to University Medical Center for an examination. Idiart said the men were worried when he met with them at a college conference room. They described the alleged victim as tall and mature looking although she seemed younger when she spoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 It seems to also validate the "mob" mentality. Together men do more evil.....as they feed off of each other. And when I say "men", I mean human kind, not the gender.One has to wonder if any one of them alone would have participated in this disgusting act. Blondie "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaroopm Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 This thread goes like this:-insert stereotypical comment of horror and then go back to life not giving a damn about the atrocity- This news story is going to affect any of your lives how? None? What are you going to do now that you've read it? Nothing? Then what good does it do you to post about how awful you think it is? As if people need to read your shock and empathy to realize you have some level of human decency. On the one hand, I disagree with this post. I think the collective expression of disgust is important to set the tone that such things are unacceptable. Some response (a post expressing disgust) is better than no response (which might be confused with acceptance or indifference). There is value in a community or society expressing contempt for every example of unconscionable behavior. On the other hand, I agree with the post. Most of our lives will be unaffected by the disgusting event, so I think it would be awesome if TheSteve's post inspires someone to do something. There might not be much you can do for the girl in Fresno, but there are many things that you can do if you really are disgusted by this kind of behavior. Here are a few examples from off the top of my head: - Volunteer as a positive role model for young men (possibly those without fathers in the home); think boys/girls clubs or other mentoring programs. - Volunteer at a battered women's shelter or group home so that women who have suffered abuse will have somewhere to turn, someone to help them overcome their suffering. - Make sure that you do not do anything in your own life that demeans women or implies to anyone that it is okay to abuse women. - Help out at-risk youth so that vulnerable people like this girl will have much-needed support and won't be as liable to fall victim to such incidents. These are just the first things that came to my mind. Others may quibble with my suggestions, and your local rape crisis and counseling center may have much better suggestions for things that you can do. My point (and I believe TheSteve's point) is, if you really are affected when you read about this incident, there may be things that you can do. Talk is cheap - like TheSteve said: What are you going to do now that you've read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteve Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 On the one hand, I disagree with this post. I think the collective expression of disgust is important to set the tone that such things are unacceptable. Some response (a post expressing disgust) is better than no response (which might be confused with acceptance or indifference). There is value in a community or society expressing contempt for every example of unconscionable behavior.On the other hand, I agree with the post. Most of our lives will be unaffected by the disgusting event, so I think it would be awesome if TheSteve's post inspires someone to do something. There might not be much you can do for the girl in Fresno, but there are many things that you can do if you really are disgusted by this kind of behavior. Here are a few examples from off the top of my head: - Volunteer as a positive role model for young men (possibly those without fathers in the home); think boys/girls clubs or other mentoring programs. - Volunteer at a battered women's shelter or group home so that women who have suffered abuse will have somewhere to turn, someone to help them overcome their suffering. - Make sure that you do not do anything in your own life that demeans women or implies to anyone that it is okay to abuse women. - Help out at-risk youth so that vulnerable people like this girl will have much-needed support and won't be as liable to fall victim to such incidents. These are just the first things that came to my mind. Others may quibble with my suggestions, and your local rape crisis and counseling center may have much better suggestions for things that you can do. My point (and I believe TheSteve's point) is, if you really are affected when you read about this incident, there may be things that you can do. Talk is cheap - like TheSteve said: What are you going to do now that you've read it? Well that's a bit more eloquent way of putting it. I also agree with Ghost in regards to the implication that threads like these can lead to deeper discussions rather than reactionary replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSJHWT Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dudes need to fry, plain and simple.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_33 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Well,since I have absolutely no FAITH in our justice system....I think the decision should be up to her parents,if she has any? I think when A minor (or any family member for that matter) is sexually violated or murdered or whatever,then the decision should be up to the parents...not the courts!!! If the parent chooses death then they carry that right,but if they choose to forgive the perpetrator...Then that decision should be honored as well...! Why you ask...? Too many people sitting in our prisons that have been wrongfully convicted of a crime and then if exonerated ,they got to be freed after spending 30 years behind bars... Yes....I would rather set 10 guilty men free,then for 1 innocent person to spend a second behind bars...! Have any of you been accused of lying or cheating on an exam...or whatever...Pretty petty compared to felony charges....How did you guys feel when nobody would believe you... Now Imagine being in the same situation,but in court! Do you think anyone will really TRUST those "Duke lacrosse players" even if aquitted... I can see it now....1 of those guys go out 1 night to chill with some friends and new aquaintences and a lacrosse guy walks up to a girl and says "hello".....And the Girl says "you look familier"..."Oh...I know"...your of of those Duke guys that raped that girl..."! This world is ****ed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 This article offers more detailshttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/07/09/state/n192544D70.DTL These two points seem to tell the tale: So is there a chance that this was "consensual" and not a vicious gang rape? I do remember a couple girls in my elementary that grew up quick and could easily have passed for teenagers. And interesting they're being charged with MOLESTATION and COPULATION, etc not with first degree sexual assault. Seems odd if it were a violent situation. Now one has to wonder what the hell went on. I will refrain from my calls for death penalty with THOSE facts (not that they should escape prosecution altogether but forcing and being unaware or uncertain of a person's age are different acts whether we want to face that fact or not.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 So is there a chance that this was "consensual" and not a vicious gang rape?I do remember a couple girls in my elementary that grew up quick and could easily have passed for teenagers. And interesting they're being charged with MOLESTATION and COPULATION, etc not with first degree sexual assault. Seems odd if it were a violent situation. Now one has to wonder what the hell went on. I will refrain from my calls for death penalty with THOSE facts (not that they should escape prosecution altogether but forcing and being unaware or uncertain of a person's age are different acts whether we want to face that fact or not.) Too complicated a response. You are supposed to say that "They all need to be shot immediately!!!" What are you, a pedo rapist sympathyser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Too complicated a response. You are supposed to say that "They all need to be shot immediately!!!" What are you, a pedo rapist sympathyser? I am all those things and more and a saint to boot. I am one and I am many, of and not within or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Here is what will happen the accused will stand before a judge and say Your honor she Looked 18 and get off with a slap on the wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 life in prison, if not life at least until they are 55. Thats not good enough for them. They should be castrated and forced to eat each others. Then throw into a prison with homosexual inmates that have the freedom to rape them whenever as much as they want until they are 55. That girl is forever scarred and they need to be too....along with a tat of Rapist across their foreheads.....so when they do enter back into society, everyone will know and their lives will be hell... This is absolutely disgusting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Absolutely disgusting. These ****ers should get the cruelest of punishment and be tortured slowly and painfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Absolutely disgusting. These ****ers should get the cruelest of punishment and be tortured slowly and painfully. Thats why I think my idea would fit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arenas{XP} Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 11 year old girl? WHAT THE !@$#! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Easy decision. A 12 Gauge. I cannot Imagine the anger and rage felt by this girls family. Not to mention the scars this girl will carry with her for life. My decision on it would be nothing less than death for these people. A message needs to be sent. what family?, she was living in a group home. to be honost, i don't think she was completly innocent in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASMTrainer Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I think I'm gonna be sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 The question still remains, whether she was a participant or not; How could guys in their late teens to early twenties have sex with an 11 year old? I don't care how "mature" she looked, she was freaking 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 what family?, she was living in a group home. to be honost, i don't think she was completly innocent in all this. You think an 11 year-old girl, what, seduced them? Maybe she was wearing a short dress and was asking for it??? SHE'S ****ING 11!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 So is there a chance that this was "consensual" and not a vicious gang rape?I do remember a couple girls in my elementary that grew up quick and could easily have passed for teenagers. And interesting they're being charged with MOLESTATION and COPULATION, etc not with first degree sexual assault. Seems odd if it were a violent situation. Now one has to wonder what the hell went on. I will refrain from my calls for death penalty with THOSE facts (not that they should escape prosecution altogether but forcing and being unaware or uncertain of a person's age are different acts whether we want to face that fact or not.) That's exactly what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFoRcEr_uPu Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Stuff them all in a cell with "big bubba" and let him have his way with these a**holes.(assuming that is how it all took place) However, I have to somewhat agree that until they're sure, the severity of the punishment should probably be determined at a later date. I know some people don't want to believe it, but girls are growing up MUCH faster than most men these days. I know of a few young teens that could pass for being much older than they are. And your "typical" college guy isn't about to ask for ID in such a situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchwood Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 disgusting absolutely disgusting. Fortunately not all football players are like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB44 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I definitly don't think they deserve the death penulty.Fresh meat like that, throw them in population. Agreed. General population is a perfect sentence. They would love young college boys.Sickening. Complete Animals.... although animals probably wouldn't act this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 The question still remains, whether she was a participant or not; How could guys in their late teens to early twenties have sex with an 11 year old? I don't care how "mature" she looked, she was freaking 11. Um, as a guy you should know the trouble you used to have differentiating ages of women/girls. I'm still not that good at telling how old someone is (just mid-20s vs. mid-teens or so) depending on their ethnic background and build. As I mentioned earlier, there were girls in my 5th/6th grade class that were fully developed and about 5-5 (or taller) at that age. If they pretended to be something different, a guy with no clue would have no way of knowing. If she SAID she was 11 or there is evidence of that, sure, they are guilty. If not and she said she was older, they would have no way of knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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