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I'll take Tito in the rematch, Rashad didn't show anything during that fight. Ken-Flo is always entertaining.

Even though I thought Tito won, I would take Rashad in a rematch. Evans finally started throwing punches in the 3rd round and this had a BIG effect on Ortiz. I don't think Tito does well against strikers with fast hands and Rashad was really strating to tee off on him. Even though Tito would have choked him out at the end of the 2nd, it's also true that Rashad would have KOed Tito if he had 10 more seconds at the end of the 3rd.

I also thought Tito was gassing in the 3rd.

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Even though Tito would have choked him out at the end of the 2nd, it's also true that Rashad would have KOed Tito if he had 10 more seconds at the end of the 3rd.

I also thought Tito was gassing in the 3rd.

This is very true. I can see it going either way though. I'll bet Rashad trys to wear Tito down and then goes for ground n' pound earlier this time. He busted Tito up pretty bad.

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This is very true. I can see it going either way though. I'll bet Rashad trys to wear Tito down and then goes for ground n' pound earlier this time. He busted Tito up pretty bad.

Yeah he did. :)

I was surprised at how easy it was for Rashad to bust him up once he decided to throw punches. Towards the end of that fight it looked like Tito was fighting Chuck. I think Ortiz is reaching the end of his road. I like him and he's a legend but he's approaching "the wall."

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Yeah he did. :)

I was surprised at how easy it was for Rashad to bust him up once he decided to throw punches. Towards the end of that fight it looked like Tito was fighting Chuck. I think Ortiz is reaching the end of his road. I like him and he's a legend but he's approaching "the wall."

Yeah his face looked almost as bad as it did after Tito v. Chuck 1, I could see Tito pull out the rematch with a submission or choke-out and I could also see Rashad with the ground-n-pound win. Rashad wasn't doing that well though standing and striking IMO, especially early in the fight.

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Even though I thought Tito won, I would take Rashad in a rematch. Evans finally started throwing punches in the 3rd round and this had a BIG effect on Ortiz. I don't think Tito does well against strikers with fast hands and Rashad was really strating to tee off on him. Even though Tito would have choked him out at the end of the 2nd, it's also true that Rashad would have KOed Tito if he had 10 more seconds at the end of the 3rd.

I also thought Tito was gassing in the 3rd.

i don't think tito would've choked him out. it looked as tho, rashad glanced at the ref (still a mistake on his part) while he was in the process of deducting a point from ortiz. and you could argue that had ortiz not grabbed the cage he wouldn't have gotten the position on rashad that he did.

i think rashad takes the rematch, as i don't think he will be as tentative as he was in the early rounds.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=2928261&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos2

Friday, July 6, 2007

Updated: July 11, 11:13 PM ET

White not worried about the competition

By Ryan Hockensmith

ESPN The Magazine

You wouldn't expect a wallflower to be in charge of the largest sanctioning body in mixed martial arts. And because Dana White, 36, has been UFC president since Jan. 15, 2001, you get the feeling he knows how to get things done. The former boxer and manager of UFC fighters Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell sat down for an interview with ESPN.com and -- surprise, surprise -- he didn't pull any punches.

ESPN.com: You ran into an interesting problem this season with "The Ultimate Fighter." You had a brawl at the house between two fighters, and you reacted with a passionate speech about how too many people think that MMA is just a bunch of brawlers beating the crap out of each other. But there was also the urge to see those two in the octagon, and the UFC actually announced that that would be a fight. Take us through that decision-making process.

Dana White: Spike really wanted that fight to happen, and we ended up booking the fight. Then I realized, 'How the [expletive] did we book that fight?' That fight will probably happen somewhere else, but it won't happen in the UFC. The thing that people have to realize is in "The Ultimate Fighter," those guys aren't UFC fighters. They want to be UFC fighters. We're looking at them through this microscope and looking at all their strengths and weaknesses. Not just in fighting, but in everyday life. Do they drink too much? Do they do this or that? We're looking for the next guy who can become a world champion. If you ask people out there, they'd love to see those two fight. But if you asked them if those two guys deserved to be in the UFC, everybody would tell you no.

ESPN.com: At UFC 75, Dan Henderson will fight Rampage Jackson. Is this a unification bout or is this just for the UFC title?

DW: It will absolutely be a unification bout. We have to respect Henderson's titles. He knocked out Wanderlei Silva and had the 185-pound championship. When he fights Rampage, they both have belts. Why should Dan Henderson get the UFC title if Rampage can't get the PRIDE titles? It makes one of them the undisputed guy.

ESPN.com: Chuck Liddell versus Wanderlei Silva. Is it going happen?

DW: God, I hope so. So many people have wanted to see that fight for so many years, and PRIDE basically killed the fight. Now that Chuck has lost, the fight makes more sense, and I'd love to make it happen. We're on the phone every day with fighters and fighters' managers. There's still work to be done.

ESPN.com: Will this fight happen in the next six months?

DW: I'd say yes. I honestly believe that. But when you're dealing with me, I don't believe there is a fight we can't make, a TV deal we can't do. I'm a very positive guy.

ESPN.com: What is Chuck up to these days?

DW: He's texting me every day, telling me he's ready to go: "When am I fighting? Who am I fighting?" He's already training again. He's ready.

ESPN.com: What about the rumor that there will be a UFC event in November in New Jersey, at the new New Jersey Devils arena? True?

DW: It's true, it's true. It's going to happen. We haven't announced it yet, but it will be a pay-per-view.

ESPN.com: Where are you with the New York athletic control board?

DW: We haven't even started working on them yet. We just got done in Illinois and Michigan. We'll start working on New York next.

ESPN.com: What's that process like?

DW: This thing is so big now. Everybody gets it. There's not a whole lot of explaining to do. There aren't a lot of stupid questions anymore. Rather than us going in to sell people, the control boards want it in their states.

ESPN.com: How do you feel about the IFL, Bodog, EliteXC and other competition popping up?

DW: It's good for us. I don't look at those guys as competition at all. They're nowhere near the league that we're in. I need shows like that. They're the feeder leagues. All the guys who fight in those shows aspire to be in the UFC someday. They're creating all the UFC talent of tomorrow.

ESPN.com: Do you watch other shows?

DW: I actually watched the IFL once, and it was [expletive] painful. These guys are minor league shows. They're necessary. I need them to exist, to continue to pay money to put on their shows. I need them to create more talent and get guys experience in fighting. But I don't worry about them. I'll give you an example. There are races going on all over the country, every weekend. But you know when NASCAR rolls into town.

ESPN.com: Did you watch Showtime EliteXC's Phil Baroni versus Frank Shamrock recently?

DW: I had dinner at the Palms, and I had them put it on in the room because I wanted to see Baroni knock his head off. It didn't work out that way.

ESPN.com: What did you think of their skill levels?

DW: They both looked bad. Phil's a good friend of mine, so it's unfortunate. Frank Shamrock is not going to fight anybody near the top-10 level.

ESPN.com: You wouldn't be tempted to bring back Frank for a big event?

DW: Who knows? But Frank is such a moron. He's so hard to deal with. He really is a jackass. If I could get it done, maybe I would. Look at me and Tito. We don't get along at all. You won't ever find two people who work together talk more [expletive] about each other. Tito's an idiot. He's a complete, absolute moron. But we can do business.

ESPN.com: So why not kill two birds with one stone. How about Tito versus Frank Shamrock?

DW: Frank Shamrock would never fight Tito Ortiz. Tito would crush him. Frank's not going to fight anybody serious. He's going to very carefully handpick his opponents, and continue to play the smoke and mirrors game.

ESPN.com: When did you know that all the work was paying off and that the UFC was about to hit it big?

DW: When we got the Spike deal. We knew when we first bought this, we knew we needed to get sanctioned. Once we did that, we knew that would help us get back on PPV. Once we got back on PPV, we knew it was going to be very hard to get on free TV. But once we got on TV, we knew we could do it.

ESPN.com: But you also had to deliver a good TV series.

DW: It really did work out. If you really knew the backstory, it's [expletive] crazy. We financed the whole show ourselves; Spike wouldn't pay for it. It cost us $10 million the first season. We decided to take the shot because we believed it would work. We picked these fighters to come on, but we had no [expletive] clue what we were doing. We had a basic premise on how this show was going to work. We went and found these guys. But everything else just unfolded. I was out one day trying to get sponsors, and Lorenzo Fertita stopped by the gym. "The Contender" had started a week before everybody moved into the house. On "The Contender," it was on NBC, they had sponsors out the [expletive] and they got paid good money for every fight. When the guys heard they weren't getting paid, Lorenzo called me and said, "They're all saying they won't fight." I said, "Really? I guarantee you they'll fight." I went down and gave them the "Do you want to be a fighter" speech? That speech was 20 minutes, but you didn't see that on TV. Season 1 was an incredible, lucky experience.

ESPN.com: Let's run through some quick UFC questions. How many PPVs for the coming year?

DW: We want 10.

ESPN.com: When's the HBO deal going to get done?

DW: It will be done very soon, in a matter of weeks. People don't realize this stuff isn't easy to get done.

ESPN.com: Fedor Emelianenko -- when will he be in the UFC?

DW: We'll have him soon. We'll have him before the end of the year.

ESPN.com: What's the process? Do you talk to his agent? To Bodog?

DW: We don't talk to Bodog. We talk to his managers twice a day.

ESPN.com: Twice a day?

DW: It's not easy to get these contracts done. It takes time and a lot of work. There are a million sticking points. Every guy has his own set of issues, what is important to him. Plus, we have our set of standards. It takes time and a lot of negotiating. There are a lot of trust issues in this business. We want people to trust us. We're having fun. We love this business. You won't find people who love this sport who promote it as much as us. We really, truly love this thing. We bought this and were investing in this when we were losing millions of dollars and nobody cared about it. It never looked like we were going to make it on pay-per-view, let alone free TV. At the end of the day, we don't want guys who are unhappy fighting with us.

ESPN.com: The original plan was to have mega PRIDE versus UFC events. Is that still the plan?

DW: I don't know what we're going to do yet because that thing is so messed up. We're still trying to figure it out. It's a complete disaster. They went out of business for a reason.

Ryan Hockensmith is an associate editor at ESPN The Magazine.

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OMG! The new UFC video game looks awesome!

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/876/876981/vids_1.html

yes indeed.

although i'm sure it will be multi-platform, it better come out for 360.

hopefully the gameplay is solid. theres alot to mma, that could make for a complex fighting system. hopefully they can find a balance between staying true to the product, while making it fun to play

it need to have a deep career mode, with a good create-a-fighter. THQ usually does a pretty good job with combat games so i think this will come out good.

i'll be getting this day it drops, unless they completely blow the fighting system

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Just read that the game is probably a year and a half away. Looks like I'll be sticking to Fifa for a while longer.

I have a problem with unification bouts. Pride fights in a ring (and use to have different rules). Hendo shouldn't lose that belt to Rampage in a cage. It would be cool if the loser's belt was vacate, and there was a tournament for it.

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Just read that the game is probably a year and a half away. Looks like I'll be sticking to Fifa for a while longer.

I have a problem with unification bouts. Pride fights in a ring (and use to have different rules). Hendo shouldn't lose that belt to Rampage in a cage. It would be cool if the loser's belt was vacate, and there was a tournament for it.

i see your point, but Pride i've accepted the fact that Pride is dead. UFC will use that acquisition to get most of their fighters and bring them to UFC or the WEC, but i don't think we'll see the proposed "superbowl" of MMA ppv, or another pride ppv for that matter.

i can call it a unification bout because u have the two champions of each org. facing each other. both are familiar with the cage so it shouldn't be a problem.

the worst thing the UFC could do is keep multiple titles for any 1 weight division. that is a major reason boxing is the way it is now. there 20 champions for each weight-class. the UFC has it right, keeping one title or champion, per weight class

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http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/07/13/ufcjunkiecom-exclusive-chuck-liddell-vs-keith-jardine-to-headline-ufc-76/

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell (20-4 MMA, 14-3 UFC) and Keith Jardine (12-3-1 MMA, 4-2 UFC) are expected to headline Anaheim’s UFC 76 event in September. A source close to one of the fighters told UFCjunkie.com (www.ufcjunkie.com) of a tentative agreement that was reached earlier today.

i swear if this happens, i will find away to slap the hell out of Dana White and UFC matchmaker Joe Silva :doh:

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i swear if this happens, i will find away to slap the hell out of Dana White and UFC matchmaker Joe Silva :doh:

Blah. Well, I would be saving my money on that one. That is not exactly a main-event fight. It is quite a drop from Chuck-Silva to Chuck-Jardine. And that is even before Jardine got KO'd in his last fight by a guy making his debut.

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http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/07/13/ufcjunkiecom-exclusive-chuck-liddell-vs-keith-jardine-to-headline-ufc-76/

i swear if this happens, i will find away to slap the hell out of Dana White and UFC matchmaker Joe Silva :doh:

Let me come with you and assist. Perhaps I could try a flying armbar like in your sig.

Also, I read an article on mmaweekly.com where Wanderlei said that he wants to fight Chuck in November, and told Dana no for the fight in September because he's in the process of moving from Brazil to the U.S. So, either Dana is full of ****, or Wandy is. I'd provide the link, but it's Friday, and I'm getting the hell out of my office!

EDIT: Okay, here's the link, but it's listed on their frontpage. Wandy Speaketh

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Chuck is 1 of my favorites but man this stinks just like Hughes vs Lytle.. Let Hughes beat a can and he gets a title shot, when they were way tougher fights out thier for him and Chuck

They are gonna give Chuck a can and then another title shot.. And Dana is probably praying that Henderson wins because its a better matchup for Chuck..

This is just crazy Dana White is turning into Don King..

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the last time Jardine was in the cage, this happened:

MMAKO13HoustonAlexandervs.KeithJardine.gif

now he gets to headline a PPV. makes perfect sense.:doh:

i usually don't get upset about ufc matchmaking, but this match if it happens will really bother me.

there is no possible justification for this bout to happen

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i usually don't get upset about ufc matchmaking, but this match if it happens will really bother me.

there is no possible justification for this bout to happen

I refuse to think that it is real until I see an official release from the UFC. This can't possibly be true, can it?

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