Chachie Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Without looking at stats, it seems like submission victories are down across the board. I feel like really good BJJ performances are down too. I'm not saying it isn't being used as much but I'm seeing far fewer examples of it winning fights outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I feel like really good BJJ performances are down too. I'm not saying it isn't being used as much but I'm seeing far fewer examples of it winning fights outright. That's because even your BJJ virgins have figured out ways to not get taken down, or find ways to get to the cage when they do get taken down so they can get up easier. Can't remember if it was this card or the last FN, but I saw a dude get taken down in the middle if the ring and crawl backwards on his hands for like 6 paces until he got to the fence, didn't even try any offense, guard, or escape/switch, he just wanted to get to that fence. Pretty hard to use BJJ on guys who lack experience with itwhen they all have learned to sprawl, wall walk and keep BJJ'ers at a distance on the feet. It's the evolution of the sport, what once was dominant now is well defended, time for a Gracie to think of some new octagon specific techniques, or another martial art will take prevalence to counter what's prevalent now. I'm hoping for more Dutch kickboxing style, good combinations with body shots, too much head hunting in MMA right now with punches. On a side note, didn't want to pay for 170, so I went to a Casino to play poker & watch. Cromier hadn't made it to his prep area outside the ring when I go for a smoke, thinking even if DC kills the guy, I'll still make it back for at least a replay. I get back to my seat, the tv screen is a stock empty arena with blue lights, what the PPV's use for a time filler-from the time DC enters the ring until they where done the highlights was less than 6 minutes. Was it that bad of a beating? Like you can't find anything nice to say about Cummins or his performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I blame the refs somewhat too. A lot of refs are quick to stand up fighters, even if they're actively working on the ground. If a guy on the bottom knows he can just hold on for a few seconds and get stood back up, he really doesn't have much of an incentive to try and play a guard game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 On a side note, didn't want to pay for 170, so I went to a Casino to play poker & watch. Cromier hadn't made it to his prep area outside the ring when I go for a smoke, thinking even if DC kills the guy, I'll still make it back for at least a replay. I get back to my seat, the tv screen is a stock empty arena with blue lights, what the PPV's use for a time filler-from the time DC enters the ring until they where done the highlights was less than 6 minutes. Was it that bad of a beating? Like you can't find anything nice to say about Cummins or his performance? Valiant. For a guy on 10 days notice he went at DC and landed a couple sweet shots. I think DC would have beaten him early 9 times out of 10 but I didn't feel like Cummins was out of his element. 10 days notice. Not bad but in retro, no way he was getting out of round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I blame the refs somewhat too. A lot of refs are quick to stand up fighters, even if they're actively working on the ground. If a guy on the bottom knows he can just hold on for a few seconds and get stood back up, he really doesn't have much of an incentive to try and play a guard game. Also, most guys know that MMA judges don't understand BJJ for the most part and tend to favor the guy on top regardless of the situation, so that leaves the fighter little reason to stay and work their guard game. Not to mention the unified rules don't really favor BJJ guys. You can't kick someone sitting in your guard, no 10-minute first round to work someone into a bad spot and submit them, etc. Plus nearly all top guys are purple belts or higher and if not, they are usually some kind of stellar wrestler and/or super athlete. A lot of guys are great wrestlers AND purple/brown/black belts in BJJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 UFC rules heavily favor wrestlers over BJJ/any ground based discipline, because a lot of the time a wrestler's end game is to get on top, and just stay there. You see it all the time, elite wrestlers can take their opponents down at will but look like novices once they are actually on the ground. They never seem to be working towards an actual sub or finish. A BJJ practitioner is trained to be just as lethal off his back, so in a lot of ways, working off his/her back is not an inferior position to be in. How many fights have you seen where it looks like the guy on the bottom is actually the more active fighter on the ground, either throwing strikes from the bottom or constantly working for subs, yet we are relying on mostly boxing judges who have probably had 1 or 2 classes on "MMA" to understand just what the hell is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) If you go back and watch old Gracie gym fights, there are quite a few instances where the Gracie clanner hurts the opponent with strikes from the bottom. I wish heel strikes weren't so dangerous, they add a great element to the bottom game. Nailing someone's kidney to where they're paralyzed for a second is a great tactic. Armbar delight. I do not like how a lot of fights are judged by the wrestling match. Striking and sub attempts only. Transitions on the ground and takedowns are footnotes. Edited February 26, 2014 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter The vote passes. TRT is now banned in Nevada. And not just applications, but includes users currently on it, effective immediately. Good move by Nevada, hopefully other commissions will follow suit. On a sidenote, I'm pretty sure you can hear Vitor's tears after he heard about this ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Well then Hendo's done Weidman TKO over Vitor, RD1. Edited February 27, 2014 by d0ublestr0ker0ll 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Frank Mir dome too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Mir needs a refund for his TRT purchases, didn't help him one iota. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 As much as I love Hendo and Vitor, I do feel like they've been cheating mother nature and their opponents for a while. If you age out of the game, you age out. That's how it should be. I'm wondering now if Fedor was ever considering TRT and valiantly decided against it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 As much as I love Hendo and Vitor, I do feel like they've been cheating mother nature and their opponents for a while. If you age out of the game, you age out. That's how it should be. I'm wondering now if Fedor was ever considering TRT and valiantly decided against it. Just judging by Fedor's body I'm guessing he was clean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 And why us everyone forgetting the guy who once said "I need it (TRT) to live."-American Gangster Chael Sonnen? That's probably why he moved the fight to Brazil, Thought this was coming & wanted to go to a place where an athletic commission would not deny him the drugs he needs to live. Weidman by TKO round 2, it's all but assured now, I'm just picturing Vitor shriveling up like a raisin without it, weighing in at 140 with weights in his pockets & steel toe boots on, hunched over like an 80 year old man. BTW, good on ya Nevada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Just judging by Fedor's body I'm guessing he was clean. I truly miss Fedor these days. No question the game has passed him by, at least at the elite level. I sorely wish he'd have made a run in the UFC about 7-8 years ago. I feel like the world will never know... well, what they'll just never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Brock vs. Fedor is the one that got away. The Anderson vs. Jones/GSP fights are pretty close behind. Now Rousey vs. Cyborg doesn't look like it'll happen. I can see there being a concern that Cyborg tests positive after laying a beating on Ronda. Would one tune up fight do? She makes weight, tests clean and kicks ass - do you make the fight? I say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 And why us everyone forgetting the guy who once said "I need it (TRT) to live."-American Gangster Chael Sonnen? That's probably why he moved the fight to Brazil, Thought this was coming & wanted to go to a place where an athletic commission would not deny him the drugs he needs to live. Chael and the others, if you need it to live, use it to live. Just don't use it to fight. Move on. And as for the fight being in Brazil, the UFC has already said that they will be following Nevada's lead and for fights in areas that do not have commissions, they will not allow any TRT exemptions. So Chael would be **** out of luck there too. The UFC seems to be 100 percent behind this move. It was going to happen soon and honestly, it needed to happen. Cheating aging is not natural and should not be legal for a fighter, especially ones that have been popped for steroids in the past. I am looking at you, Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I hope the commissions don't just stop at TRT. TRT was really for the bold cheaters who just didn't feel like hiding anything. Still plenty of fighters on steroids that commissions are not catching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Apparently the UFC is making a major announcement around 1:15am on Fox Sports Live. It would be hilarious if an "injury" caused Vitor to be removed from his fight with Weidman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Good call, SU. My guess is new UFC protein bars. Hopefully Cyborg vs. Meisha Tate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 FOX Sports LiveVerified account @FOXSportsLive BREAKING NEWS: Lyoto Machida replaces Vitor Belfort in the #UFC173 Middleweight title fight vs Chris Weidman. @UFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Machida by ko. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think Weidman will knock him out or submit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think this will be an awesome fight and I think Machida has even more of a chance than Belfort on TRT or Spider in the 2nd fight. Styles make fights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think this will be an awesome fight and I think Machida has even more of a chance than Belfort on TRT or Spider in the 2nd fight. Styles make fights! I do too. I think the Machida fight is a much more interesting fight than the Belfort one would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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