ACW Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 While we're at it... Just for emphasis :drool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Wow I thought the stoppage was justified. I saw Fedor go out, I saw him wake up... but he wasn't getting out from under Hendo and those H-bombs were gonna keep coming. After Hendo walked away, Fedor was sitting on his butt looking around at pink elephants for at least 3 seconds. I know Herb Dean started moving in as soon as Fedor's head went limp and his eyes closed but I have to say that's when I'd have moved in if I were ref. That uppercut from behind was perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Worst. Stoppage. Ever. Or at least of Herb Dean's career. Wtf was he seeing? If he was going to stop that, why not stop when Fedor was pounding Hendo out? I'm pissed about the ref stoppage, especially considering Fedor's last two fights. He took more punishment from Bigfoot. I think the fan's reactions in the stadium said it all. Ugh. Makes me hate Herb Dean. I used to think he was one of the best but he ****ed this one up. Fedor needs to fight again. . I don't think it should have been stopped, but to be fair....Fedor never got close to hurting Hendo. When he (Hendo) went down it was more of a trip/momentum fall and not because of a landed shot. The uppercut from Hendo made Fedor go limp but he recovered almost instantly after and began to defend. While I don't like the stoppage you can't really say it was a bad move by Herb Dean, they're trained to jump instantly when someone goes limp and he did. ---------- Post added July-31st-2011 at 09:08 AM ---------- Actually, re-watching it....it was the correct move to stop it. Proof he was out. (Also proof Hendo clubbed him in the back of the head multiple times...hah) Edited July 31, 2011 by Unforgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I don't think it should have been stopped, but to be fair....Fedor never got close to hurting Hendo. When he (Hendo) went down it was more of a trip/momentum fall and not because of a landed shot. The uppercut from Hendo made Fedor go limp but he recovered almost instantly after and began to defend. While I don't like the stoppage you can't really say it was a bad move by Herb Dean, they're trained to jump instantly when someone goes limp and he did.---------- Post added July-31st-2011 at 09:08 AM ---------- Actually, re-watching it....it was the correct move to stop it. Proof he was out. (Also proof Hendo clubbed him in the back of the head multiple times...hah) This gif reinforces my thinking. He's still defending himself there. I think Herb Dean blew his load a few seconds early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx491 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Hendo gets an uppercut in, Fedor goes limp, Herb Dean jumps on it (and Hendo throws one shot that misses and two more clean (undefended) shots to Fedor's head in the meantime), Fedor wakes up after Dean has made contact already, but by then it's too late. My point is that no one knew when Fedor went out after the initial uppercut that he would wake back up that fast, so the stoppage was justified. It was a good 2-3 seconds of being limp. ---------- Post added July-31st-2011 at 11:25 AM ---------- This gif reinforces my thinking. He's still defending himself there. I think Herb Dean blew his load a few seconds early. He defends himself after being out for a couple of seconds, so that's the end of the fight in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Maybe I'm wearing my Fedor-tinted glasses but I'm just not liking the stoppage...but what's done is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I absolutely think it was a good stoppage. Fedor was out after that uppercut and got jarred back awake by the following shots. As for when Fedor had Hendo down, those shots did not get through cleanly and Dan was never really in danger there. It was close, because Fedor was throwing some bombs, but they did not really get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 It really looks like Fedor is limp only because of the way he's pinned on the floor face down with Hendo's weight against him, not necessarily because he's out cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) When it happened, the first thing I said was "uh oh! Early stoppage!" I could barely celebrate the win, coming from a person whose favorite fighter is Henderson. Even though at the end of the day his record says KO against Emelienenko. I simply believe you give the best fighters the biggest benefit of the doubt. If anyone has the tools to survive the most dire situations, it's them. They will pull stuff off no other fighters can. A few more punches wouldn't have made it a slow stoppage. It sucks that we aren't fully appreciating that incredible fight. Just amazing! Hendo grinded his teeth and put everything he had in to that punch. Wham! Right under the chin. Great exchanges early, big left hooks by Henderson, wild haymakers by Fedor, simply incredible aggression being displayed. Herb Dean has been solid for the past several years. I remember him not being exactly the best back in his early days, but lately he's been solid. Refs have a mostly thankless job, with scrutiny constantly shadowing them. The window between a quick and late stop is small, and the pressure they're under to get it right is heavy. Herb may have jumped the gun just a tiny bit, but all in all he's a good referee. Edited August 1, 2011 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Fedor after that upppercut on his hands and knees went flat face to the mat...it was a jarring hit....like another said the repeated blows activated his body from inactiveness but he was out for a second so it wasn't a bad stoppage...and i wanted Fedor to win so he wouldn't get the glass jaw symptom that Chuck L had and he was my favorite MMA fighter for years.....hell have Chuck and Fedor fight one last retirement fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Whatever you think of the stoppage, it was an amazing fight. The commentators are awe struck for the first minute, they almost don't say anything. Then at the end, Mauro and Gus Johnson yelling "wow" at the shocking turn of events is classic. On second look, the stoppage isn't too bad, you can see what made Herb jump in. Fedor was lying there on his face after collapsing from a single punch, and took two huge tee-off shots. Fedor rolled to his back, but Herb was already stepping in from the previous sequence. Understandable, but a few more moments wouldn't have made it a late stoppage. ypkEKRHGt0I Edited August 2, 2011 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Watching it again, I can really see the size difference between the two. Hendo KOed a much bigger man that night. What a freaking bulldog he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) I just rewatched the video that d0ubles' posted and taking my emotions out of it, I still think the stoppage was a little premature. However, I don't know if the ending would've been any different had Dean waited a few more seconds to see what Fedor did. I don't really think Fedor was out cold, but I do think he was stunned. People were enamored that Randy Couture was still fighting into his 40s, but honestly Randy didn't have his first pro fight until he was 34. Dan Henderson has been fighting since he was 27 and he's still a killer into his 40s. I think he's really setting the standard for longevity in the sport. Edited August 1, 2011 by #98QBKiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I can't really argue with that stoppage, as much as it pains me to say. MMA likes to tout thats its safer than boxing because of stoppages like that. Bottom line, Fedor went limp after that uppercut. If Dan doesn't club him in the back of the head (this is the bigger issue to me anyway), there no guarantee Fedor is woken up to recover. Its a legit stoppage in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I simply believe you give the best fighters the biggest benefit of the doubt. If anyone has the tools to survive the most dire situations, it's them. They will pull stuff off no other fighters can. A few more punches wouldn't have made it a slow stoppage. A lot of people may disagree with me, but I actually think that Dean did give it a little longer than it would have gone in most instances. Fedor was limp and that would have been the end of the fight in a lot of cases. If that was Mike Russow vs. Aaron Rosa, that fight probably would have been over a few seconds earlier. And Herb did not really step in there very convincingly when he did. He kind of eased in there to survey the situation. But anyways, what's done is done. Now that it has been a few days, I have started moving on to thinking more about Hendo and how incredible that performance was for him and how great he looks for a guy that turns 41 in a few weeks. He has looked great in his last few fights after somehow losing that Shields fight. That one still makes me shake my head. But with this being the last fight on his contract, I am really intrigued to see where he goes from here. He stated that he wants to stay in Strikeforce and defend his LHW belt, but against who? I just don't get excited about anyone that is there to contend with him, and as great as he looks now, Dan does not have a ton of fights left. Feijao can make a case for a rematch, but that does not really get me too fired up, and I am not sure that anything else does either. And I don't think anyone is going to be surprised it Strikeforce is dissolved at some point in the next year or so or whenever the Showtime contract runs out. I think Dan said in an interview that he sees himself having 4-5 more fights, so my question is, where do you guys think those will take place? Does he come back to the UFC? Dana and Dan did not have the best of negotiations a few years ago, but hearing them talk about each other, there does not sound like any ill will. Does he go back to Strikeforce? I just don't think the competition is there for him and I think at this point in his career, Dan still wants a challenge. Does he go to MFC and fight in casinos in western Canada? OK, that one is probably not going to happen. I love Dan Henderson. I am not ashamed to say it. And selfishly, I wish he would go back to the UFC. I just think that there are bigger, better, more compettive fights for him there. And at this stage in his career, I think he still wants what are the biggest challenges for him. And I don't think that happens in Strikeforce. I wish he had any interest in dropping back down to 185. Because when Dan left the UFC, the fight I really wanted to see was a rematch with Anderson Silva. I did not think it was possible, but I think I want to see that fight even more now. After Silva fights Okami, assuming he beats him, who fights him next? Sonnen/Stann winner? I guess, but again, selfishly, I hope Stann beats Sonnen and I don't know if Stann is ready for a title shot. Give him another title eliminator against Bisping/Munoz/Mayhem and set up Hendo/A. Silva for New Years Eve (would they really have a card on New Year's Eve?). That is, of course if Hendo has any interest in moving back down to 185. But even if he doesn't, think of all the great matchups that could exist for Hendo in the UFC at 205. I don't think Lyoto has a fight scheduled as of yet... Anyways, bottom line is that Dan has a lot of bargaining power right now, but unfortunately not many options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 There just aren't many fights left for Hendo in Strikeforce. The only fight that really interests me is Mousasi. Other than that, you have King Mo, but who knows if he will even get past Roger Gracie...I like Roger in that fight. I think we'll see Hendo fighting at 205 in the UFC. There are a lot more exciting matchups there: Shogun, Jon Jones, Rashad, Machida, he could come in and avenge his loss to Lil Nog. There's just so much more there and Hendo is best when he's not cutting down to 185, plus he has too many training partners at MW in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 There just aren't many fights left for Hendo in Strikeforce. The only fight that really interests me is Mousasi. Other than that, you have King Mo, but who knows if he will even get past Roger Gracie...I like Roger in that fight.I think we'll see Hendo fighting at 205 in the UFC. There are a lot more exciting matchups there: Shogun, Jon Jones, Rashad, Machida, he could come in and avenge his loss to Lil Nog. There's just so much more there and Hendo is best when he's not cutting down to 185, plus he has too many training partners at MW in the UFC. I am thinking he will end up at 205 in the UFC as well. As much as I would love to see a rematch against Anderson Silva, I know that is unlikely. Hendo was a ripped 207 at the weigh-ins, I don't think he is cutting to 185 anytime soon. I used to be excited about a matchup with Mousasi, but that lost some of its luster after seeing him get dominated by King Mo and not impress against Jardine. King Mo got beat by Feijao, Hendo beat Feijao...there is really not much there for him. All of those guys are good fighters, but I just can't make a case for them deserving a shot at the belt. And I doubt Strikeforce is going to be bringing in any big names in the near future. So I hope that he ends up back with the UFC, and you are right...there are a ton of good matchups there for him. It will be interesting to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Hendo might want to defend his belt because he's believes you aren't the real champ until you defend it one time. Who knows? The bottom line is that he should be fighting in the UFC, anybody at LHW. Who is a top 10 guy that doesn't have a fight scheduled at the moment? Edited August 1, 2011 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hendo might want to defend his belt because he's believes you aren't the real champ until you defend it one time. Who knows? The bottom line is that he should be fighting in the UFC, anybody at LHW. Who is a top 10 guy that doesn't have a fight scheduled at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 That's a damn good fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 That's a damn good fight. Agreed. I think that would be a fantastic fight and I can easily see it going either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Haha...that's tremendous. That must have taken hours of Photoshop work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Despite Fedor losing, at least he showed he can get his stuff together to put on an entertaining fight. Even in this loss he didn't look nearly as disappointing as he did against Bigfoot. Maybe it was just the size difference, who knows. Early stoppage or not, the thing that sucks is that Henderson landing the shots to the back of Fedor's head probably contributed to him looking like he was out, which helped Herb Dean decide to step in and call the fight. I'm not even saying Henderson did it on purpose, I am sure he didn't, but regardless of intent, he definitely a square BOMB to the back of Fedor's head and a second shot that was at the least questionable. What done is done though. Henderson could be back in the UFC. If Tito pulls off the upset, I'd love to see Ortiz vs. Hendo. What's next for Fedor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) I'm not buying the back of the head thing. Henderson was looping those punches around and almost skipping them off the ground. He got under the back of Fedor's head and was hitting around the temple and ear. The second punch looked like it may have hit a little of Fedor's face and a little of the ground. It's a tricky camera angle. When someone has their opponents back, they have to throw looping hooks to avoid a foul, and it's what Hendo did. Even though Fedor's head was slightly turned to the left, I believe Hendo got enough of an angle to miss what is considered the "back" of Fedor's head. It just seems too inconclusive to get all up in arms about. Edited August 3, 2011 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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