Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection

[luckydevil]

I accept that when it comes to country and war.

What is that you exactly accept? That our government can do no wrong or that it would never mislead the public? Nothing patriotic about blind nationalism.

[PleaseBlitz]

for people like rincewind, who really doesnt care to follow it much but is curious. If he just gets the fluffy bunny propaganda without the gritty details he might be inclined to swallow the partisian dissent without question. If you present our countries information he may or may not swallow it, but atleast hes got the information. So I guess you argue them to keep the field balanced.

Fair enough. Getting Rince on the side supporting probably isnt going to work though. He's a hippy. :laugh:

[dreamingwolf]

What is that you exactly accept? That our government can do no wrong or that it would never mislead the public? Nothing patriotic about blind nationalism.

I accepted the label you gave me, if that means you have to further define it to illicit a response from me so be it. Im not sure why you need to drag me further on this, or are you mad that I didnt fight you?

[dreamingwolf]

Fair enough. Getting Rince on the side supporting probably isnt going to work though. He's a hippy. :laugh:

hee hee I wasnt trying to change his opinion, he asked a question and I answered it. that is all. I know hes a hippy, I emailed his description and photo to Cartman.

[PokerPacker]

Fair enough. Getting Rince on the side supporting probably isnt going to work though. He's a hippy. :laugh:

unfortunatly, hippies are voters.

[Mad Mike]

What is that you exactly accept? That our government can do no wrong or that it would never mislead the public? Nothing patriotic about blind nationalism.

What exactly is your point? Can the government mislead the public? Sure. But when you have a TON of evidence that says Saddam was a major suporter of terrorism and had connections to the taliban and al Qaeda, is it smart to assume the goverment is wrong to target Iraq or is it smart to think that maybe, just maybe... they got it right?

[luckydevil]

I accepted the label you gave me, if that means you have to further define it to illicit a response from me so be it. Im not sure why you need to drag me further on this, or are you mad that I didnt fight you?

It's a debate, not a fight. It's not personal. So you agree with my assertion …………. you are a partisan republican……?

[luckydevil]

What exactly is your point? Can the government mislead the public? Sure. But when you have a TON of evidence that says Saddam was a major suporter of terrorism and had connections to the taliban and al Qaeda, is it smart to assume the goverment is wrong to target Iraq or is it smart to think that maybe, just maybe... they got it right?

I don't see a TON of evidence Mike. The president of this country down played the link( in the past). Threads like this only reinforces my belief that the pro war supporters are growing increasingly desperate.

[drums and skins]

What exactly is your point? Can the government mislead the public? Sure. But when you have a TON of evidence that says Saddam was a major suporter of terrorism and had connections to the taliban and al Qaeda, is it smart to assume the goverment is wrong to target Iraq or is it smart to think that maybe, just maybe... they got it right?

There isn't much that can be done to 180 the current feel of dissent towards the Bush administration and the war from general public.

If it comes out that Saddam had a clear cut relationship with the Taliban, it won't mean much. I don't think the public would get decidedly convinced that the ends justified the means...

It (some positive development for the Bush administration in their war effort) will have to be HUGE to really bring the war around full circle --into something that seemed actually worthwhile.

[dreamingwolf]

It's a debate, not a fight. It's not personal. So you agree with my assertion …………. you are a partisan republican……?

it is personal though, your are defining me as a person how is that not personal. not that I mind it, but lets be honest. please.

I would like you fit this into your package of me, in this topic, durring kosovo I was called statist(still am alot of times for some issues), commie, pinko and all kinds of other far left names for supporting the action in Kosovo while it was going on. I didnt agree with the action, but Im a part of that small % of people who in war time want to send a message to our enemy that they cant wait us out till election time. Hoping that the cut and run wins and holds true to their campaign promises.

There is a poison in our political system that uses any foreign engagement as a political tool, and I dont think your that poison cause from your words I would imagine you would oppose any foreign engagement. Im just not part of it. Now I speek very poorly of the Kosovo action, but durring it I just shook my head and turned the page but if asked or confronted with morale buster I would speek in support. Thats just me.

[dreamingwolf]

There isn't much that can be done to 180 the current feel of dissent towards the Bush administration and the war from general public.

the bold makes my point, and its priceless that it was conjuncted with and the war. thats all Im saying.

[ZoEd]

I thank you for a response wolf. I don't post in far-wing political threads often - but I have noticed questions of this sort often go unanswered (by both left and right). If this is true, it seems to prove Mike's point.

It's definitely true. I spoke to several of our fighter pilots during the gulf war, over a few brews no less, and asked them how the fighting was going. They said there were no planes left to fight, they all high tailed it to Iran. Furthermore the MIG 29's, don't quote me on the #, that were supposedly so advanced are the ones that he sent to Iran. Most of the ones we did shoot down were the less advanced MIG's. :2cents:

[luckydevil]

There is a poison in our political system that uses any foreign engagement as a political tool,

I hope you realize this goes both ways. As for the rest of your post, I find it disturbing. The notion that people should end the debate and squash dissent during times of war is frankly disturbing and scary. Type of stuff that leads to fascism (yes I said it), because war could be used to justify all sorts of actions.

[nelms]

Threads like this only reinforces my belief that the pro war supporters are growing increasingly desperate.

Deperate for what? I could care less what you are any other war "protester" believes or doesn't believe. I'm 100% sure President Bush feels that same way. What you believe isn't going to change what we have to do to finish the job in Iraq.

[luckydevil]

Deperate for what?

Desperate to justify this ill advised and tragic war

[nelms]

Desperate to justify this ill advised and tragic war

Like I said, that doesn't apply to me becaue I could really care less what any opponent of the war thinks. We are where we are and we need to finish the job. It really is that simple. We'll have to wait another 20 years for history to judge the war, not you, me or anyone else at the current moment.

[dreamingwolf]

I hope you realize this goes both ways. As for the rest of your post, I find it disturbing. The notion that people should end the debate and squash dissent during times of war is frankly disturbing and scary. Type of stuff that leads to fascism (yes I said it), because war could be used to justify all sorts of actions.

I do know it goes both ways, and I had Republicans disrespect me durring Kosovo.

you and me both know we both would have been against launching into WWII, we really had no business in that conflict. If japan hadnt hit us, we would have never supported that war. Are you telling me that once we engaged you would have fought to unseat us from that engagement?

If we used the standard of the left, our first battle would have meant dropping out of that war. Our involvement in that war was just as pointless to the average joe american as our endeavor in Iraq. I guess Im old school, I can be against getting involved but once we are in it Im gonna do everything in my power to win it on every front and every level till Im forced to surrender. thats what the old school did, Im gonna pull a percentage out of my ass here but I think its near correct. I think it was something like 70% of Americans wanted nothing to do with WWII, after pearl harbor and the Prez speach that turned upside down.

Then we came together as a nation and kick ass, till the ass was kicked. Call me a blind patriot, jingoist, retard, or whatever it is for you to further your pollitical agenda. I am going to stand behind my countries war effort untill it is impossible for my country to continue the war. Im old school ****es!

[Slateman]

So . . . Saddam was an ok guy?

[nelms]

So . . . Saddam was an ok guy?

If you talk to Chommie and LeftyDevil, yes, he was a swell guy.

[PleaseBlitz]

I do know it goes both ways, and I had Republicans disrespect me durring Kosovo.

you and me both know we both would have been against launching into WWII, we really had no business in that conflict. If japan hadnt hit us, we would have never supported that war. Are you telling me that once we engaged you would have fought to unseat us from that engagement?

If we used the standard of the left, our first battle would have meant dropping out of that war. Our involvement in that war was just as pointless to the average joe american as our endeavor in Iraq. I guess Im old school, I can be against getting involved but once we are in it Im gonna do everything in my power to win it on every front and every level till Im forced to surrender. thats what the old school did, Im gonna pull a percentage out of my ass here but I think its near correct. I think it was something like 70% of Americans wanted nothing to do with WWII, after pearl harbor and the Prez speach that turned upside down.

Then we came together as a nation and kick ass, till the ass was kicked. Call me a blind patriot, jingoist, retard, or whatever it is for you to further your pollitical agenda. I am going to stand behind my countries war effort untill it is impossible for my country to continue the war. Im old school ****es!

Nice post.

[autographcollector]

If you talk to Chommie and LeftyDevil, yes, he was a swell guy.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[luckydevil]

you and me both know we both would have been against launching into WWII, we really had no business in that conflict. If japan hadnt hit us, we would have never supported that war. Are you telling me that once we engaged you would have fought to unseat us from that engagement?

But they did hit us and Germany declared war against us. But there is no doubt I would have spoken out against things like internment (which people used the war to justify)or certain war tactics.

Then we came together as a nation and kick ass, till the ass was kicked. Call me a blind patriot, jingoist, retard, or whatever it is for you to further your pollitical agenda. I am going to stand behind my countries war effort untill it is impossible for my country to continue the war. Im old school ****es!

You would have stood behind King George III.

[luckydevil]

If you talk to Chommie and LeftyDevil, yes, he was a swell guy.

prove it

Oh and if being anti-war and pro-market is leftist, fine call me a lefty

[Die Hard]

I'm confused. I thought the U.S. went to war with Iraq because of the violation of UN terms regarding WMDs?!?!

Every few weeks... I'm hearing completely different reasons for the war.

Is the war in Iraq about al-Qaeda? Or Saddam? Or the Taliban? Or terrorism as a whole? Or WMD?

[ZoEd]

I do know it goes both ways, and I had Republicans disrespect me durring Kosovo.

you and me both know we both would have been against launching into WWII, we really had no business in that conflict. If japan hadnt hit us, we would have never supported that war. Are you telling me that once we engaged you would have fought to unseat us from that engagement?

If we used the standard of the left, our first battle would have meant dropping out of that war. Our involvement in that war was just as pointless to the average joe american as our endeavor in Iraq. I guess Im old school, I can be against getting involved but once we are in it Im gonna do everything in my power to win it on every front and every level till Im forced to surrender. thats what the old school did, Im gonna pull a percentage out of my ass here but I think its near correct. I think it was something like 70% of Americans wanted nothing to do with WWII, after pearl harbor and the Prez speach that turned upside down.

Then we came together as a nation and kick ass, till the ass was kicked. Call me a blind patriot, jingoist, retard, or whatever it is for you to further your pollitical agenda. I am going to stand behind my countries war effort untill it is impossible for my country to continue the war. Im old school ****es!

:applause: :notworthy :applause: :notworthy :applause: :notworthy :applause: and a few of these

Great post Wolf. I'm right there with you brother. I don't know what the opposition is trying to prove. The horse is beaten to a pulp, we've heard it over and over again. It's too late, we're there and we need to finish what we started. Get over it. Good luck next election, maybe you'll have someone on the ticket that can actually win.

My question has and always will be this. What in the hell would Kerry or any other Dem have done different? The president didn't single handedly crank up the war machine and drive it into Iraq. All of our elected officials on Capital Hill helped pack it up and ship it out. They were privy to the same info that Bush was privy to and they obviously agreed to it at the time or we wouldn't be there. The anti war junkies make it seem like Dubya himself wrote the intel reports for the law makers to read. Come on people we're there, now it's time to put the women and children to bed and go looking for supper.