Dr. Z - Art Monk comments (nobody will like this)

[lunarluau]

He and Peter King are why I quit reading SI. Hopefully all skins fans will do the same. Also, there needs to be an icon on extremeskins - A Peter King and/or a Dr. Z Sucks smiley.

[DCsportsfan53]

He and Peter King are why I quit reading SI. Hopefully all skins fans will do the same. Also, there needs to be an icon on extremeskins - A Peter King and/or a Dr. Z Sucks smiley.

They certainly are two of the reasons I don't like SI. The main reason, to me, is that I don't feel like I'm reading people who are knowledgable or informed. It feels about the equivalent of reading a local county gazette for national political news.

Hey, at least Peter King has admitted that there must be a reason why so many people bug him about Art and that he'll re-examine his position.

[RDSKNFN_48]

IF YOUR STATS ARE BETTER THAN:

STEVE LARGENT

PAUL WARFIELD

CHARLEY TAYLOR

LYNN SWANN

JAMES LOFTON

FRED BILENTNIKOFF

CHARILE JOINER

BOBBY MITCHELL

AND YOU HAVE MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS WON FROM EVERY ONE OF THOSE WR'S (EXCEPT SWANN) CAN YOU REALLY FIND AN ARGUMENT.

AND TO THE COWPUKE FAN WHO JUST KEEPS ON IMPRESSING US WITH HIS VAST ARRAY OF THE DICTIONARY.....(2 89 BOMB)...SEE YA SOON! :dallasuck

[ouvan59]

They certainly are two of the reasons I don't like SI. The main reason, to me, is that I don't feel like I'm reading people who are knowledgable or informed. It feels about the equivalent of reading a local county gazette for national political news.

Hey, at least Peter King has admitted that there must be a reason why so many people bug him about Art and that he'll re-examine his position.

I can't wait for Monk to get in so we can start bugging them about Jacoby and Grimm.

[waterwagen]

He and Peter King are why I quit reading SI. Hopefully all skins fans will do the same. Also, there needs to be an icon on extremeskins - A Peter King and/or a Dr. Z Sucks smiley.

:laugh: That would be great for those that get "clowned".

[Riggo#44]

There's really no reason for anyone to waste their time e-mailing Dr. Z. He has been using the "8-yard hooks" line since 1984, and he's not going to change his mind anytime soon.

If you want to help Art Monk make the Hall, you should e-mail your hometown Hall of Fame voter (if you're not from DC) or target voters that are more open to changing their minds.

Here's my list of voters: http://artmonk.wordpress.com/hall-of-fame-voters/

At this point, Cliff Christl and Dr. Z are going to be dead-set against Monk no matter what anyone says. However, people like Rick Gosselin, Ron Borges, Mark Gaughan, Tony Grossi, Bob Gretz, and many others could be convinced with a little work...

Yes there is - to be a constant irriatation like his is to Redskin Fans year in and year out.

Call me a jerk, think of me what you will, but I am going to make it my personal mission to make that old fart's life a living hell.

I invite all to join me - we can be the Friends for Enshrining Art Monk in Canton, OH and thusly making Dr. Z's Life a Living Hell.

Or FEAMCOTMDZLLH for short.

God I want the season to start...

:dallasuck

[Riggo#44]

I can't wait for Monk to get in so we can start bugging them about Jacoby and Grimm.

Oh yeah another reason to annoy that jackass - one of the greatest offensive lines ever and none of them are in the Hall!

[IM A REDSKIN FAN]

I'd RATHER DIE than let this man be my DOCTOR

[dent19]

We all know where Art belongs..... He will be there... No Doubt......

800 8yd hooks............The guy is Crazy..

compare his numbers with those in THE HOF. 3 rings....

Crazy.

They are knocking Art for not being a me first guy.... SAD!

[NoCalMike]

I never understood the "8 Yard Hook Route" argument regarding Art Monk, when I remember Michael Irvin making a career out of the "Run 8 Yards, push off the defender, turn around catch the ball, FALL DOWN" Catch.

Look, regardless of Irvin is HOF worthy or not, Art Monk should have been a first ballot entry. The Anti-Monk crew are so hypocritical, when they look at Monk, they suddenly act like "stats don't matter" but then with other players they try to justify their votes with stats. It is ridiculous.

I really think what hurts Art Monk the most is that he was still playing in the league as it was transitioning to a Wide Receiver-friendly league. When Monk was in his prime, the Receivers had to do a lot more to get open, the rules of the game were not skewed towards the offense like they are now, every snap of the ball was a battle to get open. Monk was in the twilight of his career as the league was changing, and too many sportscasters are trying to compare of player in the 80's with the stats of players in the 90's when the league is totally different. It is very hypocritical.

[aREDSKIN]

Until they take away "sportswrites" as the sole decision makers for HOF inductees we'll have to put up with the absolute stupidity and petulance of the likes of zimmerman, Queen, Pastabelly etc. Without question thisis one of the dumbest ways of deciding who gets into a HOF. The NFL should be ashamed of this process.

[LD0506]

Just remember this, and if any of you get near a camera after the Skins win the SB scream "Art Monk for the HOF!"

[planter]

"Catching 800 eight-yard hooks does not make a Hall of Famer..."

It does, if the 800 catches result in 600 first downs and numeri TDs.

Hey, Z(ero), heard of possession football ?

After the first 200, the opposition knew what was coming but still couldn't stop it...

.

[Mania]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/07/06/hall.of.fame/2.html

"Now we come to a point that I've answered, oh, maybe, 5,000 times, but for the sake of poetic integrity, let me repeat the e-mail that Jimmy, who learned his trade from the Marquis de Sade, saw fit to torment me with ... make that with which to torment me. "I hate you with a passion so deep, and I will continue to do so until you come to your senile senses, quit writing about wine in a sports magazine and put Art Monk in the hall." Dear Dan of Silver Spring, Md. --Catching 800, eight-yard hooks does not make a Hall of Famer, which is the same reply I've given your two or three other correspondences ... you remember, the ones you wrote on toilet paper in crayon."

That comment really fuel's the fire. How he can say 800 8 yard hooks when his average was over 11 yards per catch is beyond me. Ugggggggh!

[skinpride1]

Why don't you ask Joe Gibbs if Art Monk was just a "8 yard hook" receiver DR.Z ,the real problem why you keep having to answer the same questions about Art Monk is because nobody believes the baised opinion you have.We watched art monk and nobody sees what you did and why?Art Monk was not a 8 yard hook receiver!!!

[PCS]

Yep. Sableholic was right. Nobody is going to like this. He and King are reasons I do not read SI anymore. Interesting he mentioned crayon though. Seems to me this ironic coming from a guy who uses a crayon to write in the web address he's trying to find.

[PeterMP]

Lets say Dr. Z is correct and all Monk did was catch 800 8 yard hooks.

What does that say about all the defenses the Skins faced over that time period? Do none of those players/coaches on those defenses deserve the Hall because they couldn't defend an 8 yard hook? If thats ALL he did, why didn't anyone ever stop him?

I have to agree with this. Even if all he did was catch 800 8 yard hooks, isn't that HOF worthy because everybody should know what you are going to do.

[spm]

I like Dr Z as a writer, although I strongly disagree with his opinion of Monk. Dr. Z actually provides reasoned analyses of players and teams, which is something many of the talking heads in the media (including his comrade Peter King) do not. However, with Monk, he resorts to the same stock line about 800 8 yard catches in every piece. This is neither accurate or insightful, and he knows better.

[whatmeworry]

Agreed, I sent him this.

What's the criteria here? It seems to me you voters are actually encouraging TO type antics to get attention, apparently that's what gets respect these days. Obviously, just going out and doing your job as well as anyone ever did, sacrificing for the team and being a winner aren't good enough anymore. Please shed some light, beyond the ridiculous 8 yard hook claim, as to why this man doesn't deserve to be in.

Adam"

Excellent post. Well reasoned and written. He'll simply have to ignore it.

[spm]

I have to agree with this. Even if all he did was catch 800 8 yard hooks, isn't that HOF worthy because everybody should know what you are going to do.

Well he also played on 3 superbowl winners and set several important NFL receiving records, so I would think he should be an automatic HOFer.

The 1980s Redskins offenses were great because of the offensive line and Art Monk. Everybody knew that Monk could get 10 or 12 catches a game if the skins wanted to get it to him. The question was whether they could slow down the running game and the deep receivers. That's why the other teams preoccupied with the running game or Charlie Brown or Gary Clark or Ricky Sanders. They had to accept that to deny Monk would open up too many other options on the offense. Better to make one player beat you than allow 3 or 4 to try.

[DjTj]

Yes there is - to be a constant irriatation like his is to Redskin Fans year in and year out.

Call me a jerk, think of me what you will, but I am going to make it my personal mission to make that old fart's life a living hell.

I invite all to join me - we can be the Friends for Enshrining Art Monk in Canton, OH and thusly making Dr. Z's Life a Living Hell.

Or FEAMCOTMDZLLH for short.

God I want the season to start...

:dallasuck

I like the spirit, but Dr. Z doesn't read his own e-mail. That job is left to some kid named Jimmy.

Now that Andrew is off on his vacation to Greenland, Jimmy once again is riding herd on the swarming masses of e-mails and he reports that "90 percent are about the Hall of Fame." Which goes to show what kind of an offseason it's been, unless you count the action generated by the criminal courts.

"For every e-mail I sent you about some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame," Jimmy said, "you can multiply it by about 10, maybe more."

So if you really want to annoy Dr. Z, you'll have to do something more substantial than send him e-mail. Boycott SI, heckle him in the press box ... be creative.

If all you're willing to do is send e-mail though, there are many other voters that will actually listen, and we don't need Dr. Z's vote to get Art Monk into the Hall of Fame.

[LApunkrocker72]

Zimmerman is so off base on his assessment of Monk. Look at Monk's stats and accomplishments, which speak for themselves.

Art Monk should already be in the Hall of Fame. Plain and simple.

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

im kinda glad not everyone if rooting for us i like being the underdog

[Riggo#44]

Zimmerman is so off base on his assessment of Monk. Look at Monk's stats and accomplishments, which speak for themselves.

Art Monk should already be in the Hall of Fame. Plain and simple.

My latest to Dr. Z:

My Dearest Dr. Z,

The reason I am going to be a constant thorn in your side regarding Art Monk: your reasoning holds no water. Assuming he caught 800 8-yard hooks, he would have to average 45.15 yards a catch for his other 140 catches to get to his 13.9 career average. That's 140 45 yrd bombs. That's not hall worthy?

And yes, you're right, I write my thought in crayon on toilet paper. However I have the decency not to then use that toilet paper, and send it in. Quite unlike the fecal matter you spread on the pages of SI.

:dallasuck

I am thoroughly enjoying this

[LoudMouth12thMan]

How so, maybe it was a good response for the homer morons of the world. Leading a league in Tds doesn't mean you were one of the top wr of your day nor does, leading the league in yrds. Take into account the fact that Irvin was on a run orientated team and produced almost as much as your beloved Art Monk in 3 fewer years, and over in 65 fewer games. Yet you fools claim Monk deserves in more. :doh:

Dude I've read 3 or 4 of your posts in this thread and you continue to show how misinformed you really are.

Point one---no one mentioned that Art should place ahead or behind of Irvin in the hall (or at least that wasn't stressed that I saw). The reference was made to Irvin probably b/c he supports Monk's career stats and contributions to the game. He defended him on national radio/t.v. (Dan Patrick show I believe...could be mistaken) and probably did b/c he recognizes how similar both he and Monk are in HOF stature. So, before you go bashing Monk and trying to compare apples to apples, think before you speak.

Point two---Gibb's teams are not run oriented? (by the way that's how you spell orientated, which is a different form of oriented...I looked it up, so there! )---that'll be $200 a credit hour, thank you!

Point three---if you are under the impression that stats or being a so called "top receiver in his day", alone (b/c you keep pushing the issue), have anything to do with the HOF, then you are just as football st...t..t..t.ooo...pid as I thought you were WATERBOY! More and more it is becoming a popularity contest where men sit at a round table with veiled agendas. Now you might as well let fans vote b/c each member of the Hall voters are fans too...give us (who are equally as knowledgable in some cases...well accept for you ) a choice of 3 players from each decade and narrow the list down to one or two from each depending...Then let the Hall finalize the list to 5 or 6 inductees. There ya go, problem solved.

Bottom line is Monk and Irvin will get in someday (assuming Irvin keeps his nose clean :doh: ), and hopefully you'll learn to post better arguments. But then again, it's to be expected...yer' a Cowpie .

HTTR!