s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hi all. We were having a conversation about Redskins punter Derrick Frost's future with the Washington Redskins in another thread. As one might expect, the conversation soon turned to past Redskins punters like Steve Cox, Matt Turk, and Reggie Roby. The mention of such Redskins greats seemed to spark some interest and made me want to pursue the topic further. Anyhow, rather than hijack another thread, I thought I'd start a new discussion about Redskins punters of yesteryear and how much better off we'd be with them today. So, which Redskins punter from the past would you like to have competeing with Derrick Frost this year? Or, as impossible as it seems, are you content with Frost's performance? Here are the stats of the players we were discussing (and one other) to get you started: Washington Redskins Punters -Sammy Baugh ('37-'52): 338 punts, 45.1 yard average (2nd all-time), led NFL in punting average an NFL record 4 seasons, averaged an NFL record 51.4 yards per punt in 1940 :notworthy -Steve Cox ('85-'88): 196 punts, 42.0 yard average, kicked long field goals, kicked last straight-on kick in NFL history -Reggie Robie ('93-'94): 160 punts, 44.2 yard average, 28% inside the twenty -Matt Turk ('95-'99): 388 punts, 43.8 yard average, 34% inside the twenty, 3 Pro-Bowls -Derrick Frost ('05): 76 punts, 40.4 yard average, 30% inside the twenty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtbags Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 great and interesting facts...thanks!!! it proves that Frost isnt very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docsandy Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Sammy Baugh.. then if we needed another QB.. we'd have that as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 Sammy Baugh.. then if we needed another QB.. we'd have that as wellHeck, he might be able to start for us. Seriously though, it is hard to compare eras when discussing quarterbacks because of how much the game has changed. However, a 51 yard punting average for a season is amazing regardless of when it was done. In fact, it has never been matched! Considering this, I geuss Baugh is the obvious answer. I'd also take Cox, Roby, or Turk over what we have now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Forgot Tupa. When you punt it 103 times in one year and the number of bad punts can be counted on the fingers of one hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 Forgot Tupa. When you punt it 103 times in one year and the number of bad punts can be counted on the fingers of one hand...OK, OK. Tupa had 103 attempts for a 44.1 yard average in 2004. He certainly deserves consideration. Isn't he available? Maybe we should call him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What where Mike Bragg's stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloppyOneXXVI Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 nobody wants kelly goodburn back???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
909997 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 what happened to tom tupa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFanInTX Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What where Mike Bragg's stats?I was thinking the same thing. http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6154[quote name=Flashback: Mike Bragg Made His MarkBy Michael Richman Special to Redskins.com ]Bragg's Redskins head coach of seven seasons, special teams pioneer George Allen, stressed to him the importance of posting a solid net average: punt distance minus return yardage. "He'd say the best punter in the league doesn't always lead the league in gross average, but he will lead the league in net average and in downing the ball inside the 10," said Bragg, who aimed for up to 5.1 seconds of hang time and a 35-yard net average. "So that brought more of the team aspect into it because net average wasn't just purely kicking the ball. "Somebody had to go down and make the tackle. You knew if you hit a frozen rope out there, 50 to 60 yards, it was going to come back 20 or 30 or all the way. So we worked a lot as a team coordinating coverage ] Mike Bragg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 Sounds good to me. I'm all for it. Bring back Mike Bragg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 -Sammy Baugh ('37-'52): 338 punts, 45.1 yard average (2nd all-time), led NFL in punting average an NFL record 4 seasons, averaged an NFL record 51.4 yards per punt in 1940 :notworthy Actually, he holds the NFL record for punting average. (#1 all-time) http://www.nfl.com/randf/indiv_punting.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 Actually, he holds the NFL record for punting average. (#1 all-time)http://www.nfl.com/randf/indiv_punting.html What about Shane Lechler? http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/punting Highest Average, Punting, Career (250 punts)45.89 Shane Lechler, Oakland, 2002-04 (360-16,522) 45.10 Sammy Baugh, Washington, 1937-1952 (338-15,245) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Complete Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 -Steve Cox ('85-'88): 196 punts, 42.0 yard average, kicked long field goals, kicked last straight-on kick in NFL history What is a straight-on kick? :whoknows: I loved him but Tupa had a back injury that at his age, is tough to recover from. I think he's done. The front office seemed to think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffBattles Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Not to take away from Baugh, but the high average is partly due to "quick kicks" from the QB position, these could roll for many extra yards. I always like Jeff Hayes, maybe the best athlete (other than Baugh) we had at punter, could run a fake like no other. The little guy could do a two handed dunk with a basketball, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slammer Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 -Steve Cox ('85-'88): 196 punts, 42.0 yard average, kicked long field goals, kicked last straight-on kick in NFL historyWhat is a straight-on kick? :whoknows: I loved him but Tupa had a back injury that at his age, is tough to recover from. I think he's done. The front office seemed to think so. A straight on kick is when someone lines up directly behind the ball and runs straight forward and kicks it. This is opposed to the modern soccer-style kickers, who line up behind the ball at an angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I'd take any one of those guys over Frost. I'd also take Jeff Hayes, Kelly Goodburn, Tom Barnhardt and Bryan Barker over Frost. The guy was a poor kicker last year and when he choked in the playoff game against Tampa, that sealed it for me. How the hell can you choke punting a ball? I can't believe he's back as the incumbent this training camp.....he must be "super smart" too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 With Gibbs emphasis on special teams, I was surprised they didn't bring in a strong legged punte who can kick off as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Complete Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 With Gibbs emphasis on special teams, I was surprised they didn't bring in a strong legged punte who can kick off as well. He did (Tupa) but then he got injured. Thanks Slammer for the straight ahead kick explination. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What were Mike Bragg's stats? You read my mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 About time someone mentioned Jeff Hayes. Wasn't that dude really quick? I loved how Gibbs would use a fake punt every now and then Was he a great punter though, man I don't really remember. I liked Tom Tupa because you never really had to worry about it when he was punting. Frost blew last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Tupa had Back Surgery and retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 OK, by popular demand, Mike Bragg's stats as a Redskin ('68-'79): He had 896 punts and 39.9 yards per punt. Also of interest, he was 2 for 2 passing in 1978 for 69 yards, and he had two rushes for 25 yards in 1970. So, he wasn't the strongest punter statistically, but he had longevity and, as someone already mentioned, he could execute a fake. Plus, he was a Virginia kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 While I'm at it, here are Jeff Hayes stats who was also mentioned ('82-'85): 211 punts, 39.0 yard average, 26% inside the 20 yard line. He also demonstrated the ability to run a fake, carrying the ball 4 times for 76 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Mike Bragg came out of college as one of the best punters in the nation. He was capable of averaging 44 or 45 yards a kick in the NFL, but George Allen focused on hang time and net average so Bragg never put up the overall average numbers to land him in the pro bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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