Jumbo Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 That's not only a very poor link, Rince, but as I said, it wouldn't take much honest research to find out the he was not an agnostic. I'm not emphasizing my personal source, just referring to stuff available enough to anyone who is that seriously interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 That's not only a very poor link, Rince, but as I said, it wouldn't take much honest research to find out the he was not an agnostic. I'm not emphasizing my personal source, just referring to stuff available enough to anyone who is that seriously interested. Well, sooooooorrrrryy. :laugh: I just did a quick google search and since it took his actual quotes i figured it was good. That's what i get for entering one of these fangled political threads. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Well, sooooooorrrrryy. :laugh: I just did a quick google search and since it took his actual quotes i figured it was good. That's what i get for entering one of these fangled political threads. :doh: Did you actually read the posts just immdeiately earlier to when you joined the thread? And no big, rince, I wasn't just sniping at ya. I don't show up much in these "fangled" threads either except to read. But it's not a bad example of how limited most quick google searches and grabbing a couple of lines of "info" can be in helping someone learn something about a matter. Getting back to the main topic, I walked in on six guys--Stryker brigade guys and a couple of other active military (Ft. Lewis) watching last nights Frontline documentary on the WMD reasoning for going to war, the politcs and CIA, and all the big players, and the take from these guys was inetresting. They all opined that they think the admistration is screwy, they don't like Bush, Rummy, or Chaney (but they couldn't stand Kerry, except for one) but they to a man believe it's a good thing we went over there and that the people there are mostly glad we did. They all feel the Iraq has a better chance for a better future and that we're better off here, too, than leaving Sadaam running things. They aslo expressed a general belief that "working for the big oil companies" and extending our national influence into the M.E. via long-term active military bases in Iraq is part of Bush & Co's agenda. They say these attitudes are not universal among their fellows, but are common. Regardless of where I agree or disagree, I thought it was an interesting example of how you can be very much against a current administation and still love this country in the most serious manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 They aslo expressed a general belief that "working for the big oil companies" and extending our national influence into the M.E. via long-term active military bases in Iraq is part of Bush & Co's agenda. They say these attitudes are not universal among their fellows, but are common. Regardless of where I agree or disagree, I thought it was an interesting example of how you can be very much against a current administation and still love this country in the most serious manner. I think your (very valid) example is more of an example that someone can be against an administration and support one of it's policies (the war). Supporting the war (or thinking we're winning, or thinking that the Iraqis are better off) is not a synonym for "love this country". (Not saying they're opposites, either. Just saying they're independant variables.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I think your (very valid) example is more of an example that someone can be against an administration and support one of it's policies (the war). Supporting the war (or thinking we're winning, or thinking that the Iraqis are better off) is not a synonym for "love this country". (Not saying they're opposites, either. Just saying they're independant variables.) Thats a good point. And I think all of us tend to oversimplify and make caricatures of the viewpoints of others. For most people, how they feel about an issue, or a political figure, is a complex thing. The biggest myth in politics is that the American public are cows blindly following the feed truck. Even in the military, where dissent is necessarily blunted at times, there is a wide range of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I think your (very valid) example is more of an example that someone can be against an administration and support one of it's policies (the war). Supporting the war (or thinking we're winning, or thinking that the Iraqis are better off) is not a synonym for "love this country". (Not saying they're opposites, either. Just saying they're independant variables.) And your point is completely valid, but I wasn't equating the support fo the war with "love the country", I was equating serving in the military and doing the work even when you don't support an administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Thats a good point. And I think all of us tend to oversimplify and make caricatures of the viewpoints of others. For most people, how they feel about an issue, or a political figure, is a complex thing. The biggest myth in politics is that the American public are cows blindly following the feed truck. Even in the military, where dissent is necessarily blunted at times, there is a wide range of opinion. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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