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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/18/D8IAK66O0.html

Sheehan Supports U.S. Deserters in Canada

Jun 18 8:11 AM US/Eastern

By CAROLYN THOMPSON

Associated Press Writer

FORT ERIE, Ontario

A group of American military deserters publicly embraced their new lives in Canada on Saturday with the support of "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan, who said she wished the son she lost in Iraq was among them.

"I begged him not to go to Iraq," the anti-war activist said through tears at a rally in support of the former soldiers, who wore black T- shirts emblazoned with "AWOL." "And I wish he was standing up here with these people because he didn't want to go."

Sheehan was making her second visit to Canada in support of sanctuary for those fleeing the U.S. military. The Canadian government has so far denied political asylum to U.S. soldiers who have sought it but appeals are pending.

"They're trying to deport me," said Darrell Anderson of Lexington, Ky., who arrived in Canada by way of Niagara Falls in January 2005. He spent seven months in Iraq with the Army's 1st Armored Division and received a purple heart following a roadside bomb attack before deciding during a leave he would not go back.

"When I was in Iraq, we were killing innocent people for oil. It was obvious they didn't want us there," said Anderson, 24, who is petitioning to remain in Canada.

The gathering at a park in the town of Fort Erie, across the border from Buffalo, N.Y., was organized by peace groups on both sides of the border.

About 20 former U.S. soldiers, referred to as war resisters, have applied for refugee status in Canada. Organizers estimated there may be as many as 200 soldiers in the country who have not yet sought formal protection.

"They say we're traitors, we're deserters," said former Marine Chris Magaoay, 20, of the Hawaiian island of Maui. "No, I'm a Marine and I stand up for what I believe in, and I believe the Constitution of the United States of America is being pushed aside as a scrap piece of paper."

The soldiers thanked Canadians for their hospitality and were cheered by about 100 in an audience that included Iraq veterans opposed to the war and Vietnam-era resisters who sought refuge in Canada decades earlier.

"I know that their choice has been difficult but I know that they made the right choice," said Bruce Beyer, who spent five years in Canada as a draft resister during Vietnam.

"I know that they miss their family and their friends that they're cut off from," Beyer said. "But I know that you Canadians have stepped up and stood behind them and I thank you from the bottom of my heart."

Sheehan, who energized the anti-war movement last summer with her monthlong protest outside President Bush's Texas ranch, said she has spent time with many of the resisters.

"They're moral human beings who don't want to go to Iraq and kill innocent people to line the pockets of George Bush and the war machine," she said.

What is the penalty now for desertion? Hopefully, it is more than just a slap on the wrist. I want to see these deserters doing hard time, but I doubt that'll ever happen, not in this PC country of ours. I wonder if these deserters are shameful whatsoever in leaving their friends behind. I could never face my community with that shame.

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You know, I disagree with the reasoning for us being in Iraq, but being a vet of the first Gulf War, these guys should be shot. They volunteered for military service. They were not forced into the military, they agreed to be in. When you volunteer to be in the military, you know that you may have to go to war. It is not your place to question why you go. Your family and friends that are civilians can do this. You made your voice heard with a vote for Commander In Chief.

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You know, I disagree with the reasoning for us being in Iraq, but being a vet of the first Gulf War, these guys should be shot. They volunteered for military service. They were not forced into the military, they agreed to be in. When you volunteer to be in the military, you know that you may have to go to war. It is not your place to question why you go. Your family and friends that are civilians can do this. You made your voice heard with a vote for Commander In Chief.

Right on.....you made choice and now hold up your end of the bargain. When it is time to RE-UP decline and take your Honorable Discharge Certificate with your DD-214 and go home.

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Homo says what?

nelms...just a word, amigo...you eke out almost an entire existence being barely on the edge (or over) the line in "name-calling" or "adding something substantive to the dialogue" forbearance...remember that there truly is a line and some people who used to post here "all the time" don't anymore...you wouldn't want to have chom running around relatively unmolested now would you? Remember your responsiblities ;) :laugh:

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nelms...just a word, amigo...you eke out almost an entire existence being barely on the edge (or over) the line in "name-calling" or "adding something substantive to the dialogue" forbearance...remember that there truly is a line and some people who used to post here "all the time" don't anymore...you wouldn't want to have chom running around relatively unmolested now would you? Remember your responsiblities ;) :laugh:

Jumbo,

My post was in response to this post:

"I guess ugly knows ugly right nelms?"

I was just responding in kind, with one big difference. Mine was meant to be light-hearted, his was not.

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I don't see how I could get any more descriptive or accurate. :D

the title was

Sheehan Supports U.S. Deserters in Canada

which is exactly how you should have posted it. Your opinion of a person in the article doesn't mean anything to anybody else. But, if you posted the correct title. Then people would know what the hell you're talking about before opening it. Thus, avoiding a thread that most folks don't care about.

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Has anyone seen a thread about Sheehan not brought up by somebody known to be a big Bush fan?

I guess those of us on the left just take the loony things people do in their grief with a grain of salt and think they should be left alone to it (ignored). I note it's not leftist protesting funerals.

Whatever happened to just ignoring those grieving till they're done so long as they aren't hurting anyone? I was always brought up that this is common decency. Well that and I've seen enough people think crazy after losing a loved one makes me have a little sympathy for them. The idea of trying to score politcal points at their expense is kind of repulsive to me. The idea of scoring politcal points and making their dillusions worse in doing so...well that just seem worse. Publicizing her opinions just reinforces them. Why do that? :(

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Has anyone seen a thread about Sheehan not brought up by somebody known to be a big Bush fan? I guess those of us on the left just take the loony things people do in their grief with a grain of salt and think they should be left alone to it (ignored). I note it's not leftist protesting funerals. Whatever happened to just ignoring those grieving till they're done so long as they aren't hurting anyone? I was always brought up that this is common decency. Well that and I've seen enough people think crazy after losing a loved one makes me have a little sympathy for them. The idea of trying to score politcal points at their expense is kind of repulsive to me. The idea of scoring politcal points and making their dillusions worse in doing so...well that just seem worse. Publicizing her opinions just reinforces them. Why do that? :(

So protesting outside of Crawford, TX till she gets to "meet with the President" after she already met with him and was supportive of him and suddenly becoming the poster woman of the Dems against the war is leaving her to grieve on her own? The Dems did not start this, but the hitched their trailer to her real quick and now are backpeddaling just as quickly.

She is calling attention to DESERTERS, which to you non-military types is punishable by death in a time of war....

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What would you call an unexplainable 8-10 month gap in one's service in the Air National Guard?

President? Or just a pampered rich kid who took advantage of the system?

;)

But I do agree, if you join the military, be it full on or as a weekend warrior, you shouldn't ***** when you get called into war. Its part of your job description.

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popeman,

why does she still have your attention to bring to the deserters? To be honest, I read a fair amount of news, and I watch it most nights. I hadn't seen it mentioned till this thread. Why does she still have spotlight unless you are giving it to her?

Which dems hitched themselves to her?

Some thought she had some points against the war when she spouted what they had already said. She hitched to them, not the other way. They aren't responcible for her like you want to make them. You want to group everybody who is against Bush with her. The rest of us just feel some pity for her and wonder why you care what she says over any other Dem or for that matter anyone not pro Republican all the time.

Just to give you some historical perspective, a quick count of who started Sheehan threads here recently: Sarge and Nelms. Hmm, I guess they can join with Ann Coulter in expressing their disapointment.

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What would you call an unexplainable 8-10 month gap in one's service in the Air National Guard?

Nothing unusual! I served in the reserves for a year and some people that were on the books for a six year hitch only showed up for their annual training for ALL SIX YEARS. So he had a gap. All you have to do is schedule important things on drill weekend and they let you miss it, you just don't get paid... I don't know why Dems make a big deal of Bush missing some drill time, but Kerry can bash the military, call "comrades" murderers, and claim he was somwhere he wasn't and he is a war hero. A little hypocritical? Maybe?

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