jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 NFL athletes pale in comparison athletically to the top soccer players in the world. :thud: Did you really just say that? They PALE in comparison?? Man...you need your head examined if you honestly believe that. What reasons do you possibly have for that? Because they can run for a long time? If they trained for it, you don't think Portis or Tomlinson or any other NFL athlete could run a marathon? Shoot....if I can train for a marathon, they certainly can as well. They never would, because what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsone Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Athletic hability is not the most important hability in soccer... Look at Riquelme... Robinho etc etc.This game is playing with FOOT... Wich is very specific. This is why best athlete will never dominate soccer. LOL. oh man. this is some funny stuff. yeah and basketball is playign with HAND. lol seriously though, last time i checked, soccer was also played with head. again, another reason i mentioned vertical leap regarding basketball players. common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 As opposed to what you've been doing? Here's a hint. Just because your tall, doesnt mean you'd be a good soccer player because you could "head the ball". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 :thud:Did you really just say that? They PALE in comparison?? Man...you need your head examined if you honestly believe that. What reasons do you possibly have for that? Because they can run for a long time? If they trained for it, you don't think Portis or Tomlinson or any other NFL athlete could run a marathon? Shoot....if I can train for a marathon, they certainly can as well. They never would, because what's the point? Could they do it and be great marathon runners? Probably.Could they train and become better long distance runners then some of the top soccer players in the world? Not necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 :thud:Did you really just say that? They PALE in comparison?? Man...you need your head examined if you honestly believe that. What reasons do you possibly have for that? Because they can run for a long time? If they trained for it, you don't think Portis or Tomlinson or any other NFL athlete could run a marathon? Shoot....if I can train for a marathon, they certainly can as well. They never would, because what's the point? Yes, and the majority of the world would agree. It's arrogant to believe that NFL stars are better. Marathons and soccer are different events as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 NFL athletes pale in comparison athletically to the top soccer players in the world. Holy crap keep on drinkin the juice :koolaid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 As opposed to what you've been doing?Here's a hint. Just because your tall, doesnt mean you'd be a good soccer player because you could "head the ball". Agreed. I strongly believe that if you have guys who are already athletically superior, who already have that hand eye coordination ability, that it will translate to the foot eye coordination Obviously if Dwayne Wade started playing soccer tommorow, it would do no good. But had he been playing soccer as a 4 or 5 year old, he could very well be one of the best in the world today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 As opposed to what you've been doing?Here's a hint. Just because your tall, doesnt mean you'd be a good soccer player because you could "head the ball". So are officially on record saying that a 40+ inch standing-vertical would not be helpful on the soccer field for heading the ball? Just so we're clear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 So are officially on record saying that a 40+ inch standing-vertical would not be helpful on the soccer field for heading the ball? Just so we're clear.... Im saying it's ignorant as hell to think that that one specific skill would matter at all on the soccer pitch. Maybe that's what you are missing. Soccer requires more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Yes, and the majority of the world would agree.It's arrogant to believe that NFL stars are better. Marathons and soccer are different events as well. You still haven't listed why you think soccer players are so much better athletes. How is it arrogant to think someone with the quickness, field vision, balance, agility and speed of a Tomlinson could not play soccer at an elite level? That to me is the arrogant (if not blatantly stupid) statement to make. I mean....how can you possibly say that?? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Im saying it's ignorant as hell to think that that one specific skill would matter at all on the soccer pitch.Maybe that's what you are missing. Soccer requires more than that. Of course. But maybe you missed where I said American athletes if they trained their entire lives for soccer would be at an elite level. And maybe you missed where I pointed out there are some base athletic abilities that world-class soccer players and NFL players share. The difference is that one athlete trains one way his entire life, the other trains another way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 You still haven't listed why you think soccer players are so much better athletes.How is it arrogant to think someone with the quickness, field vision, balance, agility and speed of a Tomlinson could not play soccer at an elite level? That to me is the arrogant (if not blatantly stupid) statement to make. I mean....how can you possibly say that?? :laugh: Because he cant run constantly for 90 minutes. And not use his hands, but rather, use his feet to control the ball. All of what you described is a perfect exapmle of elite soccer players. Then add in the extra that football players dont have. And you have the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitting bull Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I know that Steve Nash is also a good football player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXoiEDs_a0E&search=steve%20nash%20soccer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Of course. But maybe you missed where I said American athletes if they trained their entire lives for soccer would be at an elite level. And maybe you missed where I pointed out there are some base athletic abilities that world-class soccer players and NFL players share. The difference is that one athlete trains one way his entire life, the other trains another way. And I think athletes are born with specific talents. They require practice to perfect, but a person is born with hand-eye coordination better than most, and others are born with foot-eye (for lack of a better term) better than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 All of what you described is a perfect exapmle of elite soccer players. Then add in the extra that football players dont have. And you have the reason. Kilmer this is ridiculous man. I would submit that if any of those soccer pansies took one hit over the middle from Ray Lewis, they would retire. You know... those same soccer players who writhe on the field in pain when someone steps on their toe. Sound ridiculous? It should. It's your logic though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Kilmer this is ridiculous man. I would submit that if any of those soccer pansies took one hit over the middle from Ray Lewis, they would retire. You know... those same soccer players who writhe on the field in pain when someone steps on their toe. Sound ridiculous? It should. It's your logic though Ahh yes, the big bad men with full pads really scare the soccer players. Maybe if soccer players stopped after every 5 seconds of playing, waited 45 seconds, then started again, while wearing full protective gear. And stopped for a couple of minutes every time the ball changed possession, THEN they'd be better athletes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Because he cant run constantly for 90 minutes. And not use his hands, but rather, use his feet to control the ball.All of what you described is a perfect exapmle of elite soccer players. Then add in the extra that football players dont have. And you have the reason. :laugh: Is that all? That's why American athletes PALE in comparison to soccer players??? :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: Do you think Ronaldinho could take a bone-crushing hit from Sean Taylor, get up, and continue to dribble down the field? Of course he couldn't. If he had trained for it his entire life, he probably could. The two skills you mentioned, endurance and ball-control skills can be LEARNED. Especially endurance. Anyone can train and improve their endurance. And soccer dribbling skills are also learned from a young age. By playing soccer, soccer and more soccer. There are exceptions, like Pele, Freddy Adu, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, etc. who come out of the womb with soccer skills, but that's not the case for all world-class soccer players. Most of them, like most NFL players, had to train hard for it all their lives. Maybe that's the problem here....maybe you think these guys just woke up one day and were excellent at soccer. If that's your line of thinking, you're incredibly wrong. All those guys, including the Peles of the world, trained their entire lives at soccer. Just like the LaDanian Tomlinsons and Barry Sanders' of the world trained their entire lives playing football. Barry Sanders is a good example -- his mother wouldn't let him play tackle football, so he played flag football instead. He developed his moves and escapability playing flag, and the skills translated to tackle football. Do you really think that if he had perhaps taken up soccer instead, he wouldn't have excelled at it? Nonsense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Kilmer this is ridiculous man. I would submit that if any of those soccer pansies took one hit over the middle from Ray Lewis, they would retire. You know... those same soccer players who writhe on the field in pain when someone steps on their toe. Sound ridiculous? It should. It's your logic though Great minds....:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 You still haven't listed why you think soccer players are so much better athletes.How is it arrogant to think someone with the quickness, field vision, balance, agility and speed of a Tomlinson could not play soccer at an elite level? That to me is the arrogant (if not blatantly stupid) statement to make. I mean....how can you possibly say that?? :laugh: Well, I know you were responding to another. So forgive me. The only American football players who can copmpete against other soccer players are the Grammatica borthers. And that's because they grew up playing the sport. Tomlinson with all his speed, strength and agility would be lost when he realizes he doesn't have the foot control to bend the ball. All the NFL Moss' with their talents, would fail in soccer. Even the mighty egoist T.O. would fail. Not because of athleticism but because of the necessary skills. As to the world best athletes? Gymnasts. IMO. Holy toledo! Who the hell can match that kind of agility and grace? That should end that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Again it's arrogant as hell to believe he would have excelled. Unfortunately, it's the common misconception most Americans have, and probably one of the reasons we arent better than we are at this point. Your reasoning that football players are better athletes is because they hit other people harder? How is that athletic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Ahh yes, the big bad men with full pads really scare the soccer players.Maybe if soccer players stopped after every 5 seconds of playing, waited 45 seconds, then started again, while wearing full protective gear. And stopped for a couple of minutes every time the ball changed possession, THEN they'd be better athletes? You missed the point completely. Read JRock's post.... you keep trying to compare apples to oranges man. Do you think Ronaldinho could take a bone-crushing hit from Sean Taylor, get up, and continue to dribble down the field? Of course he couldn't. If he had trained for it his entire life, he probably could. The two skills you mentioned, endurance and ball-control skills can be LEARNED. Especially endurance. Anyone can train and improve their endurance. And soccer dribbling skills are also learned from a young age. By playing soccer, soccer and more soccer. There are exceptions, like Pele, Freddy Adu, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, etc. who come out of the womb with soccer skills, but that's not the case for all world-class soccer players. Most of them, like most NFL players, had to train hard for it all their lives. Maybe that's the problem here....maybe you think these guys just woke up one day and were excellent at soccer. If that's your line of thinking, you're incredibly wrong. All those guys, including the Peles of the world, trained their entire lives at soccer. Just like the LaDanian Tomlinsons and Barry Sanders' of the world trained their entire lives playing football. Barry Sanders is a good example -- his mother wouldn't let him play tackle football, so he played flag football instead. He developed his moves and escapability playing flag, and the skills translated to tackle football. Do you really think that if he had perhaps taken up soccer instead, he wouldn't have excelled at it? Nonsense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Well, I know you were responding to another. So forgive me.The only American football players who can copmpete against other soccer players are the Grammatica borthers. And that's because they grew up playing the sport. Tomlinson with all his speed, strength and agility would be lost when he realizes he doesn't have the foot control to bend the ball. All the NFL Moss' with their talents, would fail in soccer. Even the mighty egoist T.O. would fail. Not because of athleticism but because of the necessary skills. You're missing the point. I'm not saying if you plucked LT2 out of Chargers OTAs right now, and placed him on the US World Cup team that he would excel. In fact he'd be embarassed. I'm saying if you took LT2 back in time, and raised him in Brazil where he played soccer every day of his life instead of football. THEN he would be an elite soccer player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Why do you assume that his skills now could have been developed into completely different skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Your reasoning that football players are better athletes is because they hit other people harder?How is that athletic? Obviously you have never played rugby. Rugby is basically soccer and football combined; you take hard hits but have to run consistently. It is MUCH harder to get knocked down then get back up and keep running, as rugby players and football players are asked to do. The bone-jarring hits from NFL players take a lot out of you. To get back up, take the ball up the middle again for several yards is HARD, even with a 45 second break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Why do you assume that his skills now could have been developed into completely different skills? We're going round in circles here... I answered your above question 20 posts back or so. We were talking about you saying that NFL athletes pale in comparison to international soccer stars. Your reasoning being that an Olineman can't run for 90 minutes :doh: I answered that with a statement that the average soccer pansy can't take an NFL hit. (to point out the fault of the argument) Now you've changed the subject again. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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