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That was an awesome tables match last night between Cena and Rollins. Three Tables were broken and the Big Show and Roman Reins getting involved in the match.

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NXT Revolution.

Slow clap.

Hunter has NXT light years away from RAW.

Zayne vs Neville was what a fued blowoff should be. Then the KO turn at the end puts you right into their fued. Almost had that old school NWA vibe to it where you'd go from Flair vs Dusty to Flair vs Steamboat.

Absolutely AMAZING ppv. It's like NXT is booked whereas RAW is written.

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Just to add to LKB's post, for those who didn't see Jimmy Del Ray, imagine this guy being half of a tag team called the "Heavenly Bodies" and being called "The Gigolo."

 

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I mean COME ON!  He was the best!  Would you let your wife, child, or any family member within 50 feet of him unsupervised?

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Man, I hope Cole wasn't hurt too bad :(

I really don't understand how parents can expose their sweet, innocent, beautiful little children to that violence porn. Then we wonder why they grow up to be violent, disrespecting, wife beating, alcoholic, tweaking murderers. True our murder rate is the lowest it's been since 1960, but this is also the least popular the WWE has been since Wrestlemania I. Coincidence? I think not. You sick ****s.

RIP Michael Cole. You deserved better in life.

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I think its ****ty when a free Raw is better than a PPV where people are paying money for it.  I don't care if it's $10/month.  The TLC PPV was ok.  Diggler match was good and the Cena/Rollins match was good.  The Bray/Ambros match was excellent.  

 

The Cena/Rollins match in the cage on Raw was better imo.  Jericho was there.  Brock shows up to F5 everyone, except Rollins at the end.  Hell, even Kane destroyed that stupid ****ing bunny rabbit.  

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I watched almost all of TLC. Didn't see the Wyatt/Ambrose match. I watched about half of RAW.

 

I'm just not feeling it. After watching NXT, I can't even watch RAW right now for real. 

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I watched almost all of TLC. Didn't see the Wyatt/Ambrose match. I watched about half of RAW.

 

I'm just not feeling it. After watching NXT, I can't even watch RAW right now for real. 

I watched half of NXT Revolution last night.  It was the first time I've ever watched NXT, so I have no clue who everyone is.  But I have to agree, it's a lot better right now and has an old school feel to it.  

 

Just read one of those recommended articles on Facebook for WWE and it was saying that the current Raw/Smackdown roster was upset stating that the creative/booking was better for NXT than Raw/SD and basically ticked off that they were investing resources there instead of the Raw/SD shows.

 

After watching the interview with Vince on SCSA podcast, it's clear to me that he is very much in power still.  Or has passed along the template for how Raw/SD will be ran regardless of who is the face of the company to the public or behind the scenes.  I've read that HHH is in full charge of NXT.

 

So, I wonder how much influence/power he has currently for Raw/SD?  Because if he can make NXT so much better and cause controversy behind the scenes with the Raw/SD talent, why wouldn't they follow his lead for those shows/storylines/booking?

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I watched fast forwarded through the live Smackdown last night. It was a two hour show. I watched about 16 minutes. Only thing of note on that show was Ziggler vs. Rollins with Ziggler going over as the main event. Those two are excellent performers, and two of the best on the main roster right now, in my opinion.

 

But all in all, it's pretty sad that NXT is booked so much better than WWE. The guys in the WWE can go. I don't get it.

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Raw’s Rating Fell To A Near Record Low This Week And An Embarrassing TLC Could Be To Blame

 


Raw did 3.51 million viewers last night, the lowest rating for the show since a Christmas Eve show in 2012. It was the lowest non-holiday audience for Raw since December 3, 2012, a show that did 3.43 million viewers, and one of the lowest rated non-holiday episodes since 1997.

 

Gotta start making changes, right?

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Well, TLC was just average/below average overall.  I don't care what Vince says or thinks he knows what the audience wants.  I like Brock as the champ, but that ****ing contract where he doesn't have to defend his title at certain PPVs and only has to show up so often is bull****.  

 

I don't mind it so much with Raw, but the WWE championship should be defended at every PPV, no exceptions.  And with Brock being absent on Raw, as mentioned in this thread before already, gives them a huge opportunity to push the US, intercontinental and tag titles.  

I just can't understand why they invested so much into the WWE Network and made it the staple for PPV only to make the PPVs weaker than ever and sometimes worse or equal to Raw.  Even at best, they have only been like a super raw (minus the stupid ****).  Does Brocks contract call for him to be WWE champion for a certain length of time?  Or just that he gets a part time schedule for weekly shows and PPVs?

 

Cause if he doesn't have to be champ or hold the title for a certain amount of days, I'm making him champ when he can defend the title for consecutive PPVs, not skip them.  That's just stupid and it doesn't make me appreciate it more.  If anything, it makes me ponder the question of canceling my subscription because the quality of the PPVs is so sub-par now.  

 

I'm not cancelling, because it's only 10 bucks a month.  If they raise the subscription rate though, I'd most likely part ways if it was jacked up enough.  I sit here baffled at how a PPV can be so weak now, they could have some great matches and good pushes but they settle for mediocre I guess because people are fine with it and they are still making money.

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I think Brock, even part time at pay per views can work.

They need to build the IC title. And the US title.

And when Brock isn't around we need more Heyman. The title has to be featured somehow, but that doesn't mean Brock needs to be.

The problem is that requires thinking outside the box, which WWE is struggling with lately.

Seeing Brock on RAW was that much more special due to his absence. I believe the real issue is a lack of Heyman, Brock and the title.

Heyman should join commentary, or come out for a promo or do a backstage promo a few times a month, prominently holding the WWE title. Why does he have it? To remind you that the reigning, defending WWE champion is always present. Heyman's holding of the title is to honor the Beast Incarnate, and the presence of the title should remind you that he is always lurking in the shadows and you never know when the one who put the one in 21-1 may show up to maim and destroy the lesser peons of the WWE roster.

Tease his appearance every single week. Don't advertise him for any shows. Make it truly a surprise when he's there. And when he's there, make his impact be felt.

Let Heyman use that to fuel all the times he's there featuring the title without Brock. "Oh, you may believe he's not here, and you may be right. But if you're not right, and the Beast is here? Well, remember the carnage that follows his path."

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I'm really hoping Reigns wins the Rumble and beats Lesnar at WM 31... Only to get curb stomped and see Seth Rollins steal the title from Reigns.

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I don't get it KD, you're coming up with beast angles off the cuff; I'm pretty sure most of us in here can do it too. We aren't getting paid for it either... So that just makes me ask, what the heck is going on with these writers?

 

I read a report that now the wrestlers on the main roster are starting to complain that NXT is getting better stories than them. 

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I read a report that now the wrestlers on the main roster are starting to complain that NXT is getting better stories than them. 

 

The thing about NXT though is that the storylines are straightforward. It is more old school wrestling where we know the reason why guys are feuding. The normal WWE storylines try to get too cute, things are not explained at all, or stories are just dropped or repeated for no apparent reason. They just become a convoluted mess.  

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Rollins could make a point to demand a title shot on a night that Lesnar is not there. He could say that it was a breach of contract becuse money in the bank meant that he could get a title shot whenever he wanted during the year. He could demand that they strip Lesnar of the Title. His other point could be that in addition the 30 Day rule had been violated by months and that was a reason that Daniel Bryan was stripped of the title. The title matchup at the Royal Rumble would be Seth Rollins vs John Cena. 

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Rollins could make a point to demand a title shot on a night that Lesnar is not there. He could say that it was a breach of contract becuse money in the bank meant that he could get a title shot whenever he wanted during the year. He could demand that they strip Lesnar of the Title. The title matchup at the Royal Rumble would be Seth Rollins vs John Cena. 

But wouldn't stripping Brock of the title for not being there based on his contract allowing him not to be, also be a breach of contract from the WWE side?

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