The Figure Four - ALL Things ECW-WWF-NJPW-TNA-ROH-AEW

[Drakkhim]

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- To follow up on Candice's injury status, it seems that she has suffered a reoccurrence of injury to her clavicle. The full extent of the injury is not known right now and the former WWE Women's Champion went to hospital in Lafayette, LA for shoulder tests yesterday.

Test results have not been released for the moment and whether this puts her WrestleMania spot in jeopardy remains to seen.

I really think that it's a shame that the women don't get put over more than just sex symbols. There IS a belt for the women but it hardly ever gets any recognition or is pushed. What TNA is doing right now with their women's division is top notch. They have a monster heel as a world champion. There are two top babyfaces in Gail Kim and ODB. ODB being the biggest surprise because I don't think the original plan was to push her so quickly but the fans loved her and went nuts for her all of the time. Plus, their womens matches are actually good.

Not to say that with the right talent in the ring, a good women's match can't be produced in WWE. Phoenix is awesome and can truly go. A physical presence both in great looks and a phenomenal athletic body. Mickie James, Victoria and Melina can also go in the ring. Why we don't have a WWE Women's Championship match at Wrestlemania is really dumb to me. If the WWE were to give Phoenix/James 12-15 minutes, they could tear the house down.

All in all, I'm just venting because I like seeing the women actually earn a paycheck by working in the ring and not solely because they're hot. Two thumbs down for the BunnyMania match.

[Guest sith lord]

I know we had Jim Cornette with the Midnight Express Paul Ellring with the Road Warriors and Teddy Long with Doom but who was Gary Hart the name sounds familiar but I can not remeber who he managed

R.I.P Gary Hart

He brought in The Great Muta. He was a pretty funny guy. I'll never forget the interview when he started busting on Dusty Rhodes' sister. "I neva seen anyone as ugly as that woman."

[lovetoaster]

Victoria - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Marie_Varon

5'8" 155. She rocks hard for being 37.

After further review, I give her the thumbs up.

[lovetoaster]

What TNA is doing right now with their women's division is top notch. They have a monster heel as a world champion. There are two top babyfaces in Gail Kim and ODB. ODB being the biggest surprise because I don't think the original plan was to push her so quickly but the fans loved her and went nuts for her all of the time. Plus, their womens matches are actually good.

Well the WWE and TNA have completely different strategies when it comes to the women. With the WWE, wrestling is secondary, while in TNA, if they are hot, that is great, but they are wrestlers first.

The WWE does have a few that can wrestle, Phoenix, Victoria, Mickie James...and that's about it. The rest are pretty bad. I did not watch any women's wrestling for a long time because of the WWE, I would just change the channel. Don't get me wrong, I love to look at them, but don't try to pass a lot of that off as wrestling.

But I was very surprised at the women in TNA. They are really good and take some serious bumps. They are at a completely different level that almost all of the WWE's women's division.

TNA's women have been wrestling for years, they are not just models that a WWE talent scout asked if they wanted to try to wrestle.

[Blackest Eyes]

Don't get me wrong. Even for a Dallas fan. Mickie James has the best "total package" of all the divas.

PERIOD.

Mickie James = perfect

[Guest sith lord]

Well the WWE and TNA have completely different strategies when it comes to the women. With the WWE, wrestling is secondary, while in TNA, if they are hot, that is great, but they are wrestlers first.

The WWE does have a few that can wrestle, Phoenix, Victoria, Mickie James...and that's about it. The rest are pretty bad. I did not watch any women's wrestling for a long time because of the WWE, I would just change the channel. Don't get me wrong, I love to look at them, but don't try to pass a lot of that off as wrestling.

But I was very surprised at the women in TNA. They are really good and take some serious bumps. They are at a completely different level that almost all of the WWE's women's division.

TNA's women have been wrestling for years, they are not just models that a WWE talent scout asked if they wanted to try to wrestle.

I don't know if this is a good thing, but the women's segments on TNA iMPACT are often the highest rated segments of the entire show.

[lovetoaster]

I don't know if this is a good thing, but the women's segments on TNA iMPACT are often the highest rated segments of the entire show.

Well, in most cases, they have not done a great job with charachter develpoment. With the women, it has been almost perfect.

I don't think it is a good thing, because that can not sustain a company in my opinion. But they are showing that smart things can be done. Maybe it can carry over to the other gender.

[KevinthePRF]

Victoria - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Marie_Varon

5'8" 155. She rocks hard for being 37.

I am not sure if she made the move up or not, but I always thought she had one of most creative and best finishers, man or woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGupMo4tHM

[TK]

I think that the difference in TNA & WWE's women's division, the belt actually means something in TNA. Just like the World Heavyweight Title belt used to in the 80's. In WWE, the women's belt really doesn't mean much. Of course, neither does US Title & it's history or the Tag Team Title belts. Only the WWE Raw & SmackDown belts ever seem to really mean something & they're still half assed on that consistency. TNA/WCW/NWA/WCCW were always better when it came to making the titles more important then the wrestlers.

[Drakkhim]

In a time where pro-wrestling's legitimacy is always questioned, for years up until the late 90s, the title belts almost always had significance. In the late 90s, WWE and WCW killed the validity of championships by them changing hands just way too often. The direction that TNA has taken with their championships is true to the old style of the business. The world title doesn't change nearly as often as it did ten years ago. Granted a belt may change hands 4-5 times a year in TNA but that is so much better than a dozen like in the WWE back when.

Yeah, pro-wrestling is fake and not a real competition and blah blah blah. I've enjoyed watching it since I was three years old back in 1982. I have watched the business grow as well as change but I am still a fan. Even the roided up guys throughout the years have spilled blood for the business so that they can make a buck and the fans get their money's worth. I'm just an old-time fan watching the sport in a new-time fashion.

[@DCGoldPants]

With so many shows on TV, if belts aren't up for grabs. Then people care even less.

I think that's the problem with "brands" in the WWE.

One brand with factions and you might not have to see all these belts up for weeks at a time.

[Drakkhim]

I was at the arena in Wheeling, WV when Demolition beat Arn & Tully for the WWF World Tag Team Titles on 10/2/89. It was a house show with no cameras in sight. I believe that Arn & Tully were on their way out of the WWF at the time but still. It's so rare for a title to just change hands at a house show. It was awesome.

[skinsfan1992]

I was at the scope here in Norfolk for TNA Destination X last Sunday and BYE FAR the best match of the night was the three way for the womens title the fans were in it start to finish

and for as big as Awesome Kong is she can really move there were alot of HOLY S*** moments in that match

[Drakkhim]

The ODB vs. Gail Kim vs. Kong match was awesome.

ODB! ODB! ODB! She's so over it's hilarious.

[Blackest Eyes]

Gail Kim is awesome. I really wish there was more wrestling on WWE. That is one thing I enjoy about TNA....I just cannot stand their production/storylines and constant "WE NEED SECURITY OUT HERE!" haha

[skinsfan1992]

Gail Kim is awesome. I really wish there was more wrestling on WWE. That is one thing I enjoy about TNA....I just cannot stand their production/storylines and constant "WE NEED SECURITY OUT HERE!" haha

that has been my complaint with them as well AWESOME in ring talent but NOONE not even the WWE rejects have great story lines right now

you would think with Vince Russo on the creative team it would be somewhat well uh creative but I was reading somewhere that SPIKE might have alot to do with it they are a viacom company thats why WWE left them and now they are leaving CW because they dont like them to be to edgy so that might be part of the reason

who knows

[Drakkhim]

Isn't Russo a born-again Christian now? I know that Dixie Carter, the head of TNA along with Jarrett don't want their product to become too trashy.

[cyfar]

you would think with Vince Russo on the creative team it would be somewhat well uh creative

Vince Russo has run out of creative ideas and he's re-using a lot of stuff that he tried in WCW. I honestly think that he's crippling TNA right now more than he's helping.

[Drakkhim]

I was always a much bigger WCW/NWA fan than WWF/E. WCW became so bad near the end. I was a huge mark for the WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Titles that were around for a day or two though. Their light-heavyweight division was tearing the house down in 2001.

[ACW]

I was always a much bigger WCW/NWA fan than WWF/E. WCW became so bad near the end. I was a huge mark for the WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Titles that were around for a day or two though. Their light-heavyweight division was tearing the house down in 2001.

:yes: Mysterio, Kidman, Elix Skipper, Kid Romeo, etc, etc. AWESOME.

[TK]

Vince Russo has run out of creative ideas and he's re-using a lot of stuff that he tried in WCW. I honestly think that he's crippling TNA right now more than he's helping.

I was waiting on him have Angle re-name all the belts like Lance Storm did in WCW. Remember when the US Title became the Saskatchewan Heavyweight International Title?

[Blackest Eyes]

they do not need to have trashy programming, that is what the WWE is for. They just need edgy storylines that aren't cheeesy.

[@DCGoldPants]

I was waiting on him have Angle re-name all the belts like Lance Storm did in WCW. Remember when the US Title became the Saskatchewan Heavyweight International Title?

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about ole Lance Storm.

You guys remember when WWF Raw was only live like once a month? But WCW was always live? That one where on WCW, Bishoff tells the crowd to not change the channel to WWF, and that Mankind was going to win the title over there.

So nasty!

[Drakkhim]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about ole Lance Storm.

You guys remember when WWF Raw was only live like once a month? But WCW was always live? That one where on WCW, Bishoff tells the crowd to not change the channel to WWF, and that Mankind was going to win the title over there.

So nasty!

WWE's viewership jumped huge when they announced that. Even though it was taped, everyone wanted to see Mankind win the WWF World Title. Dumb move by WCW.

[skinsfan1992]

this is off of Matt Hardys my space blog THIS IS MATT HARDY I KNOW FOR A FACT

Seeing Jeff’s Tragedy Through My Eyes

I was having a pretty standard "gotta fly out early and go to work tomorrow" Friday night. I was washing and packing clothes, booking my rental car, and writing bills to put in the mail on my way to the airport in the morning. Around midnight on Saturday, March 15th, I let my beloved pet dog Lucas outside to use the bathroom. As I stepped outside, I smelled smoke. I walked around to my garage area and could see huge flames burning through the woods. The large flames appeared to be very close to Jeff’s place, about a third of a mile away from my house. My first initial thought was that Jeff was burning either trash or a brush-pile. I then questioned my thought, considering how big the size of the flames looked. For a second, I thought it might be the huge ramp on Jeff’s motocross track or his old recording studio. I quickly jumped in my car, and drove down the back road that connects our two properties.

As I pulled around the lake that bordered Jeff’s home, I witnessed a horrific mental image that will always be etched in my mind. I could see over Jeff’s recording studio that and my brother’s home was engulfed in flames. I violently stopped my car, jumped out, and ran towards Jeff’s burning home yelling for my brother at the top of my lungs. My initial fear was that Jeff and Beth were burning to death inside their house. And I was the only person on the scene-I was frantic. I ran onto the front porch, kicked at the flaming front door, yelling for Jeff and Beth. I could only stay there for a second-the temperature of the heat was unbearable, and I couldn’t breath due to the smoke and lack of oxygen. The entire structure was covered in flames. I ran to the other side of Jeff’s place and saw that his car was gone. I internally prayed that Jeff, Beth, and Jack weren’t in there. I didn’t have my cell phone on me because I had left my house in such a panic. I jumped in my car and raced back home to get my phone. About this same time I got into my car, I could hear sirens-signifying that the fire trucks were on their way.

I got home and called Jeff. It went straight to voicemail, my heart dropped. I called Beth and she picked up. I hysterically asked if Jeff was there and he was. Jeff and Beth had been out to eat and he was currently getting the Hardy Boyz tattoo on the back of his neck filled in at Shannon’s shop. I frantically explained what was happening and that he had to get there now. The first thing Jeff said was this-"Matt, can you kick down the door and get Jack? Please get Jack Matt!" It was heartbreaking. I told Jeff that it was too late, everything was gone. The fire had destroyed everything.

I was already back on the way to Jeff’s burning home as I was getting off the phone with him. By the time I returned to the scene, the fire department was there, and they were fighting the fire. There were fire trucks and police and emergency vehicles everywhere-it looked like a scene out of a movie. When Jeff and Beth finally got there, the shock of reality truly set in on them. I have never felt so bad and helpless and powerless for two people before. It took the fire fighters until almost 4 a.m. to put out the flames. With the exception of the clothes on their bodies, everything that Jeff and Beth owned had been destroyed. But the most tragic lost to them was their beloved dog Jack. Jeff and Beth were crushed. If you’ve ever been extremely close to a pet, you know how painful it is to lose them. It’s like the pet becomes your child.

About 5 a.m., Jeff and Beth came to my house-which is now their house for the time being. Neither one of them could even think about sleeping, and they were both still in shock. I made sure that they knew where everything was in my house and how it worked-so they could function independently in my place. I spent some time talking to them, and then finished packing my stuff. I headed to the airport to go to Louisiana about 8 a.m. without any sleep. This was definitely one of the worst days of my life.

Five days later, it’s still surreal. It’s still so hard to believe that this has actually happened. I thank God that Jeff and Beth weren’t inside the house asleep. As of right now, it seems the fire was started by electrical wires that had been unknowingly damaged underneath Jeff’s place. There’s so much misinformation out there, I wanted everyone to hear and understand the truth behind this tragedy.

As I type this, I hear Jeff upstairs coughing due to being sick. I have never seen my brother as stressed out as he is right now. Jeff is sick because his body is so run down from not sleeping and being stressed out. He needs all of our support now more than ever. Jeff has done so many good things for so many people across the world-now is the time I hope everyone remembers that.

The support and help that has been offered courtesy of family, friends, and fans has been amazing. Thank you. Calling, texting, or sending a message to support another human being that has just went through a personal tragedy means alot. It tells so much about a person’s character. In addition, not contacting or showing support also is very telling of a person’s character.

I’ve received several thousands of request from people wishing to help Jeff and Beth during their crisis. Speaking for them, we are very thankful for all of you. If you want to help, here’s what I suggest. If you have a good picture of Jeff and Beth together, frame it and send it to me. If you have any extras of Jeff’s old wrestling memorabilia-pictures, action figures, magazines, etc.-send those to me. If you see some clothing that you think would look good on Jeff or Beth, send that to me. Any item that you can think of that are similar to these things-that’s what will be the hardest for them to replace. They’re looking into building a new house now, but all of you could contribute the things that truly build a house into a "home." Anything they would need to complete a new "home"-that’s what Jeff and Beth need now. If you have something to send, send it to..

Jeff Hardy c/o Matt Hardy

P.O. Box 713

Vass, NC 28394

That’s all for now. But I will keep you updated on things. Feel free to pass this info on to friends, websites, and anywhere else you choose. To all of you that have shown so much love and support, I eternally thank you. Be well my friends, and take care of each other..

Quote of the day - "If you’ve ever lost a loved one, I pray for you, I really do" - Hurt, House Carpenter

Matt