@DCGoldPants Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263/ Senate votes for fence on southern U.S. border Body votes for 370 miles of fencing, clashes over citizenship BREAKING NEWS The Associated Press Updated: 3:07 p.m. ET May 17, 2006 WASHINGTON - The Senate voted to build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border Wednesday, and clashed over citizenship for millions of men and women who live in the United States illegally. Amid increasingly emotional debate over election-year immigration legislation, senators voted 83-16 to add fencing and 500 miles of vehicle barriers along the southern border. It marked the first significant victory in two days for conservatives seeking to place their stamp on the contentious measure. The prospects were less favorable for their attempt to strip out portions of the legislation that could allow citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants and create new guest worker programs. The Senate acted in a volatile political environment, as the White House struggled for a second day to ease the concerns of House Republicans who contend that President Bush favors amnesty for illegal immigrants. Thousands of demonstrators massed a few blocks from the Capitol demanding immigrant rights. Construction of the barrier would send “a signal that open-border days are over. ... Good fences make good neighbors, fences don’t make bad neighbors,” said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. He said border areas where barriers already exist have experienced economic improvement and reduced crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Goverment boondoggle... I hope the Minutemen continue their plan to build their own fences down there... It would be nice to watch some C-Span about now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manichispanic Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 you have criminals, you have policeman, yougive the policeman pistols, the criminals get automatic weapons, you give the policeman armor, the criminals get armor piercing bullets lines from batman begins aside, this only means the people the border patrol catch are the dumbest of the pack, theyll find a way inside, this is just a bandaid on a broken leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Hire undocumented workers to build the wall. When it's finished give them citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 What about a 10 foot steel-reinforced concrete wall, 2 feet thick from Texas to California? Oh wait a minute, Israel already tried that. :doh: j/k. The second part that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 you have criminals, you have policeman, yougive the policeman pistols, the criminals get automatic weapons, you give the policeman armor, the criminals get armor piercing bulletslines from batman begins aside, this only means the people the border patrol catch are the dumbest of the pack, theyll find a way inside, this is just a bandaid on a broken leg IRS develops methods to identify tax cheats... tax cheats catch on. Banks have security cameras, robbers hide their faces. That attitude is crap. We are America for crying-out-loud. Since when did this hand-wringing type of attitude ever stop us. If you put a lock on your car, the criminals will find a way around it... so why not stop it? This fence should be at least 1000 miles, which will take up 50 % of the border. It's not that hard using technology to detect undergound tunnels... Israel does it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Great. But the amnesty is still going forward:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Seems a bit short... how long is the border? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 2 guesses on the which Company gets awarded this contract. Wont that make for fun debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 2 guesses on the which Company gets awarded this contract.Wont that make for fun debate. Pay the Mexican government to build it. That criminal Mexican President Fox will jump right on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Seems a bit short... how long is the border? 1,952 miles ... That leaves over 1,500 miles unfenced. :whoknows: As long as it gets a few Republicans on board, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 1,952 miles ... That leaves over 1,500 miles unfenced. :whoknows: As long as it gets a few Republicans on board, I'm all for it. The Republican fence deficit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdowwe Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Why not fence the entire border? Get some company to hire illegals to build it, then ship em back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Wouldnt it be cheaper just to line the border with mines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Thousands of demonstrators massed a few blocks from the Capitol demanding immigrant rights. Immigrants have rights... when they come here legally and go through the processes and procedures to become naturalized American citizens. Illegal Immigrants do not have rights.... because they are not citizens of the United States and are not covered under the US Constitution. They have human rights... that's for sure.... but they don't have rights to cross our borders illegally, receive free healthcare, get driver's licenses, get voter registration cards, avoid paying taxes, and send half their income back to Mexico in the form of remittances. What's so difficult to understand. Stand tall Repubs... you've got the high ground. Demand the fence, even if it means sponsoring a seperate bill. If the Dems don't play along... you've got them by the short ones as the Party unwilling to close the borders. As for amnesty and guest worker rights.... stand tall repubs. A majority of Americans don't want to just hand the citizenship certificate to those already here..... they want them identified, documented, and measuring tools put in place to prove these people are working... paying taxes... and trying to assimilate into the American culture. If the Dems balk... than it's the Dems that want to just legalize 11 million illegals whether we know anything about them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LApunkrocker72 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I can't believe the U.S. Senate approved to build fencing along the Mexican border. I think this is a major mistake. All that money could be better spent elsewhere, such as trying to improve our schools and environment. I'm all for the guest worker programs, and I also believe illegal immigrants should have the chance to gain U.S. citizenship. I'll say this yet again: We're all immigrants except the Indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I'll say this yet again: We're all immigrants except the Indians. I assume you are referring to the "Native Americans". Who by the way didn't "start" here, were just here before the evil Euro-white man. In fact, I 'm pretty sure every country is settled by people that at one time or another "immigrated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Wouldnt it be cheaper just to line the border with mines? I like the idea of populating the Rio Grande with alligators. Got any down your way that you would like to donate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 In the past I would have supported this, but now i understand much more and am absolutely against a wall or fence. Increase the quotas to make it easier for the good uys to get in and then use all those extra resources to actually stop the rest who wiould have no reason to come in illegally unless they were up to no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 No matter what "reform" we institute, we cannot sustain it without controlling the border. You think all the illegals are gonna just stop coming across the border? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 No matter what "reform" we institute, we cannot sustain it without controlling the border. You think all the illegals are gonna just stop coming across the border? I think that if it's easier for those that want to follow the rules and have no ill intent towards us to get in legally, the the truly bad element will be the only illegals and thus we can focus on them easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Sarge, People just don't understand the problem.... freakin' idiots! Half-assed measures won't work... we need to be aggressive with the border, aggressive with workplace enforcement, and aggressive with the guest worker plan. I think the Senate is going to move towards this "virtual border" crap... yeah... and I'm going to pay my taxes next year in "virtual money"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 We shouldn't have the national guard there, we should get more border agents. Just like our Troops in Iraq shouldn't be playing policemen, neither should the national guard be playing Border Patrol. We need more Border Patrol Agents who are trained SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JOB. It is a career ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 We shouldn't have the national guard there, we should get more border agents. Just like our Troops in Iraq shouldn't be playing policemen, neither should the national guard be playing Border Patrol. We need more Border Patrol Agents who are trained SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JOB. It is a career ya know? I'd support that if they ease up on the quota restrictions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 We shouldn't have the national guard there, we should get more border agents. Just like our Troops in Iraq shouldn't be playing policemen, neither should the national guard be playing Border Patrol. We need more Border Patrol Agents who are trained SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JOB. It is a career ya know? I think that is a fairly minor point, there is no problem with putting national guardsmen there instead of say more border patrol. There is a decent argument to be made about protecting the borders with the military or in this case the almost military. If this was anything other than the border then I might agree with you, but at this point it might be easier to put the national guard than to train new border patrol. Although, I think putting the national guard there is just something to appease the Bill O'Reillys yammering for military on the border. Basically... that isn't something to get worked up about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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