BeCooley Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I think everyone here puts too much of an emphasis on our divisonal record last season as many on this board have even claimed that we were the true divison champs because of this record. I know if that the roles were reversed and we had won the division with a better overall record and the Giants had come in 2nd with a better divisional record we would completely laugh at the Giants fans if they brought this argument up. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 In terms of what you are saying, yes, I agree. But in terms of importance during the season? Division record is very important. It just turned out that the Redskins couldn't beat an AFC team which was their downfall. Having a great division record doesn't guarantee you anything but it definitely helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 You have the opportunity to hand each of your divisional rivals 2 losses every year. I'd say the divisional record is VERY important. Is it as important as your overall record? Obviously not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donita35 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Yes but it is important if you and another team in your division has he same record and you have beat them, twice. It is very important. Down with the other divison teams, HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeCooley Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 Yeah I understand how important the division record is but I'm talking just in terms of last season and how weak the argument is that we were somehow true division champs because of this record. If another NFC East team came here with that argument if we had won the division they would be completely shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Native,NC_Fan Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Yeah I understand how important the division record is but I'm talking just in terms of last season and how weak the argument is that we were somehow true division champs because of this record. If another NFC East team came here with that argument if we had won the division they would be completely shot down. I agree. But we have to shoot the division rivals' fans down regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 You can't underplay going 5-1 in your own division. You can overplay it, but you can't underplay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blk_rshn Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Yeah I understand how important the division record is but I'm talking just in terms of last season and how weak the argument is that we were somehow true division champs because of this record. If another NFC East team came here with that argument if we had won the division they would be completely shot down. I see where you're coming from. But the NY bias is there. Of all the places to play and teams to play against, the Gants woould not have been the first, second, or third choice. They got the cherry because of their location. End of story. Commish didn't want to travel far and was chummy with ownership. And your right, we would laugh them out of here. That's why it's a Skins fansite. They can troll here but cross the line... As for the record. IF there had been a tie in the overall standings, our divisional record would have mattered greatly. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 ']In terms of what you are saying' date=' yes, I agree. But in terms of importance during the season? Division record is very important. It just turned out that the Redskins couldn't beat an AFC team which was their downfall. Having a great division record doesn't guarantee you anything but it definitely helps.[/quote']Agreed! :doh: Status quo plus 2 AFC wins could do it for the Skinz this year!!! Emphasis on the AFC wins!!! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPstretch Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 it will give us home field after our bye week in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Edds Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Yeah I understand how important the division record is but I'm talking just in terms of last season and how weak the argument is that we were somehow true division champs because of this record. If another NFC East team came here with that argument if we had won the division they would be completely shot down. IMO we were the true division champs. Why have divisions if they don;t mean anything? I'm not saying that overall record isn't just as important. But what if had swept the Giants and they still won the divisoin b/c they had a better overall record? Again, this is just my opinion, but it should be division record, confernece record and then overall as the tie breaker. I don;t care how strong or weak one division is over the other. I just don;t see the logic in having divisin chamops if you record within that division doesn;t carry more weight than it currently does. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFoRcEr_uPu Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I mean, your divisonal record is 1/2 of your conference record alone. I don't think it is overy emphasized at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Having a good division record is almost everything in the NFC east. It means 3 things. First, in what is largely considered the toughest division of football, a good division record means you were good against the toughest part of your schedule. A good division record means you will win the tiebreakers and have a better chance of getting into the playoffs(if we had tied ANYONE in the NFC we would have gotten into the playoffs still). Last, it means the other teams in our division had their records dented by us. Those are 3 great reasons to want a good division record. How about conference record? 8-2. Either way, we played great in the NFC last season, and if you are great in the NFC, you are all but guarunteed a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Having a good division record is almost everything in the NFC east.Heck yeah. Good thing we have ole Joe Jackson Gibbs. Going 5-1 against division opponents last year was no fluke. Gibb's record versus division opponenets is unparalleled. His total record versus division opponents in his career is an amazing 83-46. Wow! I like those odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 For a team that went 1-5 in the division in each of the previous three years, 5-1 is pretty huge. Also, I think many here think of the Redskins as the #1 team in the division not because of our division record, but because we went further in the playoffs. After all, who has the bigger bragging rights this year, the Bengals or the Steelers? Same thing, only not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvkeeper19 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Divisional play has become less of an emphasis since the realignment a couple years ago. Now each team plays only 6 divisional games, as opposed to before when divisional games made up half of each team's schedule. It is now conceivable to win your division even is you lose all your divisional games. Even so, they are still important, as divisional record is the first tie-breaker in determining the division champion. I agree with Peregrine's point that it is especially important in an evenly-matched division like the NFC East. For a while toward the end of the season, it looked like we might have had 3 teams with 10-6 records, or two teams with 11-5 records. This division is stacked with playoff contenders from top to bottom--all four teams have been projected by various prognosticators to win the division this year. Most importantly, an intradivison win counts twice: it moves your team up one win in the standings, and it moves your direct competitor for the division crown down a game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFC Beast Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I think everyone here puts too much of an emphasis on our divisonal record last season as many on this board have even claimed that we were the true divison champs because of this record. I know if that the roles were reversed and we had won the division with a better overall record and the Giants had come in 2nd with a better divisional record we would completely laugh at the Giants fans if they brought this argument up. What do you guys think? wow, thats the smartest thing anyone has said on here in a while..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I think everyone here puts too much of an emphasis on our divisonal record last season as many on this board have even claimed that we were the true divison champs because of this record. I know if that the roles were reversed and we had won the division with a better overall record and the Giants had come in 2nd with a better divisional record we would completely laugh at the Giants fans if they brought this argument up. What do you guys think? I have seen nobody claiming we we're the true division champs because of our record. I have seen people claiming we were obviously the superior team because of our division record and the fact that we actually won a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeCooley Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 IMO we were the true division champs. Why have divisions if they don;t mean anything? I'm not saying that overall record isn't just as important. But what if had swept the Giants and they still won the divisoin b/c they had a better overall record? Again, this is just my opinion, but it should be division record, confernece record and then overall as the tie breaker. I don;t care how strong or weak one division is over the other. I just don;t see the logic in having divisin chamops if you record within that division doesn;t carry more weight than it currently does. Just my opinion. By that logic a 6-10 team could win the division over a 14-2 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunBunch7 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 For a team that went 1-5 in the division in each of the previous three years, 5-1 is pretty huge.Also, I think many here think of the Redskins as the #1 team in the division not because of our division record, but because we went further in the playoffs. After all, who has the bigger bragging rights this year, the Bengals or the Steelers? Same thing, only not so much. Very good point! I fel the same way at the end of the season. Yeah, I wanted like heck for us to win the division but once the Giants got shut out at home and we went into Tampa and won...I feel like we were the "Uncrowned Champion" from the NFC East since we were still alive. You can bet your bottom dollar the Giants would have traded with us the way the season ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Show me somebody claiming we won the NFC East, and I'll show you somebody who's wrong. But that said, going 5-1 in the NFC East ranks right up there with sweeping Dallas in the Scale of Universal Importance. There's a reason why rivalry games are rivalries. It's because winning them is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I remember Norv Turner when he was here making the statement that he wasn't concerned with winning in the division. I was like what? You idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Another reason why Skins fans make this argument is because of the extra home game the Giants received due to Katrina. True, the best that could've been hoped for due to the circumstances was a neutral-site game, and more than likely the Giants would've won even if Katrina hadn't happened and the game was in NO. However, the fact remains that the Giants did get an extra home game. If the game would've been played at a neutral site and the Giants had lost, both teams would've finished 10-6, with the Skins winning the division with a better record within the division. Add that to the fact that we actually won our first-round game on the road, while NY lost in bad fashion at home, and you see why some make the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 ']In terms of what you are saying' date=' yes, I agree. But in terms of importance during the season? Division record is very important. It just turned out that the Redskins couldn't beat an AFC team which was their downfall. Having a great division record doesn't guarantee you anything but it definitely helps.[/quote']Exactly. Aside from the fact that division record is one of the NFL playoff tie-breakers, it's just plain smart to go ahead and beat the teams that you're directly competing with for the division crown. If you win the division, you're in the playoffs. Period. If you finish second, you're left to hope that things break right for a wild card berth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I have seen nobody claiming we we're the true division champs because of our record. I have seen people claiming we were obviously the superior team because of our division record and the fact that we actually won a playoff game. Then you haven't been looking all that closely. If you stick around long enough you'll find somebody on here claim just about anything. It's also not just on this site that that happens. I love the lurkers who love to run back to their team's boards and claim that some of these outlandish claims represent the views of all Redskins fans under the thread heading of "Redskins fans are delusional...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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