Top 10 NFC East - Free Agent Signings

[dfos81]

Viniteri is great, no doubt. But if you can't have Vini, I'd take Vandy in a heartbeat.

Last year, everytime we'd line up for a 20 yarder, you were on the edge of your seat. It was brutal. We coulda had more luck with some local high school soccer players than the guys we trotted out there.

So obviously I'm excited to have a "real" kicker on the squad.

You know he's great at missing the most important kicks! I can't wait to see him either

[JohnLockesGhost]

santana4prez's Top 10 NFC East Free agent Signings

1. Terrell Owens/Dal - Still a top WR and will put up the same great numbers.

2. Lavar Arrington/NYG - If the Giants fit there system around LA he can make plays.

3. Mike Vanderjagt/Dal - Gives the Cowboys one of the best kickers in the NFL.

4. Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El/Was (tie) - Gives the Skins the WR depth they needed last season.

5. Adam Archuleta/Was - Will surprise alot of people in 2006-07. Gregg Williams wanted Arch and I cant wait to see how he uses him.

6. Darren Howard/Phi - If he can stay healthy Howard gives the Eagles a double DE threat with Jevon Kearse.

7. Sam Madison/NYG - I think Madison has been overrated for a while but people said the same thing about Shawn Springs. Age in ways has made Madison better. Nice vet pickup.

8. Jabar Gaffney/Phi - Gives Philly there best #2 WR they have had in a while. A nice fit with Reggie Brown.

9. Andre Carter/Was - The Redskins have needed a pass rush for years from the DE spot. If Carter can comeback to his old form he can move up this list and really help out the Skins.

10. Jason Fabini/Dal - A solid pickup who will help out the offensive line.

My only problem with this list is that it has 11 players on it. Other than that, looks pretty fair.

[Riggo#44]

Instead of insulting people, why don't you formulate your own list? We'll be happy to tell you where you're wrong when you do. Unless you'd just like to sit back and complain.

Why? What's the point? Really arguing with you is like debating with a waterhead retard what's better: tater tots or franks n' beans.

Really as soon as you're proven wrong you backpedal, contradict and change your argument.

:dallasuck

[dfos81]

Our best sigining this offseason will be Al

and the BEST COACHING STAFF IN THE EAST is still the Skins.

Dallas had a good offseason too but it comes down to coaching and we have the division beat hands down.

[ouvan59]

Personally, I think our "Biggest need" on our team was kicker. We lost 3 games because of missed 30 yarders or under last year. Our kickers STUNK.

I would probably put it on par with upgrading the O-line. Kickers are important but nothing is more important than the offensive and defensive lines. As much as you like to hold out the injury to Flozell Adams as the turning point in your season it wasn't like the O-line was playing well when he was in there. Your running game didn't hit 4.0 yards per carry in any game that Adams played in last year. In fact, when he went out you guys were averaging 3.18 ypc.

As much credit as the triplets get for the Cowboys success in the early 90s it was completely on the back of the best offensive line in football. Just think back to how many times Emmitt Smith had to dodge a guy in the backfield. Almost never. Now think back to last year and how many times Julius Jones was dodging people milliseconds after he got the handoff. People like to focus on Bledsoe and the sacks as the downfall of your offense but it was the lack of a running game that really did you guys in. Sacks occur on 2nd or 3rd and long and you guys had plenty of those.

[Guest santana4prez]

My only problem with this list is that it has 11 players on it. Other than that, looks pretty fair.

Yeah I put Lloyd and Randle El both there as a tie b/c they both were just as big to the Skins depth at WR in the offseason. I wanted to put another player up there to make it an even 10 rankings even thought their was 11 players.

[pjfootballer]

Viniteri is great, no doubt. But if you can't have Vini, I'd take Vandy in a heartbeat.

Last year, everytime we'd line up for a 20 yarder, you were on the edge of your seat. It was brutal. We coulda had more luck with some local high school soccer players than the guys we trotted out there.

So obviously I'm excited to have a "real" kicker on the squad.

Sometime I feel that way with Hall and his injuries :doh:

[pjfootballer]

Why? What's the point? Really arguing with you is like debating with a waterhead retard what's better: tater tots or franks n' beans.

Really as soon as you're proven wrong you backpedal, contradict and change your argument.

:dallasuck

I Like Tater Tots and Franks and Beans!!!

[pkrr18]

Frequent reader and sometimes poster, but for the record you guys are including Brandon Lloyd on your lists and he was not a free agent pickup. We traded for him.

[Guest santana4prez]

Frequent reader and sometimes poster, but for the record you guys are including Brandon Lloyd on your lists and he was not a free agent pickup. We traded for him.

Actually he was a free agent pickup in a way. We traded for him but he was still a RFA and we still had to sign him. Either way I included him because he was a vet and Free Agency/Trades are different then the draft. Nice post though.

[pjfootballer]

I want to compare Mike "liquored up idoit kicker" Vanderjagt from his days in the AFC South to the NFC East

1) kicked in a dome at home

2) Road game at houston in a dome

3) Road game at Jax in sunny FLA

4) Road game at Tenn (toughtest div. kick)

1) will kick in a hole in the roof dome

2) at Philly (cold, windy)

3) at Wash (cold, windy)

4) at NYG (colder, windier and in the swamps, where the wind swirls)

I know that is only 6 divisional games a year, but you have to beat your division before you can go anywhere.

[Monte51Coleman]

1-2. Dallas had the worst FG% (70%) in the NFL for 2005. Adding the most accurate FG kicker in League history, should be the cure.

Dallas' woes with kickers reminds me of the Florida State situation.

Their kickers make all but the ones that matter. Kinda like Vanderjagt in the playoffs. At some point it takes on a life of it's own.

[bubba9497]

Dont just tell me I'm a homer and I'm wrong............ back it up with some substance, if you want me to take you seriously.

Why dont you think Akin should be at #5?

From what I've seen and read of him, he's pretty darn good and this was a major need for the Cows.

Only 1 dallas signing in the top 10?

And y'all call me a homer, at least I put 3 Skins in there.

it was 4 in the morning and you expected a debate? :yikes:

Now to respond,

From what I've seen and read of him

So really you don't know a lot about him, yet you are ready to proclaim him one of the best FA signings. LB is not a major need for the cowboys they are loaded with LBs, and drafted one #1. This guy will probably at most be in a rotation, only playing certain downs. He may even be just a backup.

Ranking a kicker #1 is just plain silly. Though the pokes need a kicker.... it is still just a kicker!!!! a part time specialist (and he doesn't even kick off) While he may win a game or two.... listing him above all starting everydown players is a croc. Not to mention that he has almost as much baggage with him as TO. Plus despite his success in Indy... they let him walk, even before they thought they had a chance to sign Adam V. He also has kicked mainly in a dome stadium, and in the AFC south (fair weather teams) Kicking in the open and sometime bad weather NFC East stadiums will not be as easy.

Also guys like Madison (NYG) are huge signings and is even bigger than signing tubby.. I mean LaVar for them. There DBs last season were horrible. And I agree with Tom, Demp maybe the best of the giants signings when it is said and done.

Andre Carter not in the top ten :doh: The biggest area of need for the skins defense has been a pass rushing DE, and we signed one of the best available and is just hitting his prime. He is the biggest Skins pickup. Llyod was a trade not a FA, and ARE is a bigger signing because of his versatility as a WR, trick plays, backup QB, punt returner. And another big signing for need was blocking TE, and we got one of the best in the game in Fauria.

[pjfootballer]

Damn job, too much work for a friday. can't seem to get involved in any threads today.

[WeownU]

I'm very curious to see how Vandy kicks in the East--not in that punk-ass no-wind dome he had in Indy. How's he gonna kick when the winds are swirling? How's he gonna kick under pressure? How many pressure kicks did he even have to make in Indy? They were typically up by 2 tds or more. The one pressure kick we saw was schanked about as badly as a kick can be. So, IMHO opinion, the jury is still out on Vandy.

You can't possibly say the jury is still out on him. Sure he kicks in a dome, and the weather for the NFC east teams outside of dallas, is generally pretty bad, but consider this.............

Vandy is considered "The most accurate kicker in the NFL's history". Let that sink in for a minute. Now take any kicker from the NFC East in the last 10 years or so and place them on the colts of today. Do you really think any of them would've been considered "The most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL"??? No way.

Is he going to face weather challenges in the East? Yes. But no way can you say the jury is out on him.

[WeownU]

Why? What's the point? Really arguing with you is like debating with a waterhead retard what's better: tater tots or franks n' beans.

Really as soon as you're proven wrong you backpedal, contradict and change your argument.

:dallasuck

I don't know where you get that from, you've most certainly never have proven me wrong on anything.

You choose to spit venom instead of discussing anything intelligently. Perhaps you just lack good communication skills so I'll cut you some slack.

[Riggo#44]

I don't know where you get that from, you've most certainly never have proven me wrong on anything.

You choose to spit venom instead of discussing anything intelligently. Perhaps you just lack good communication skills so I'll cut you some slack.

That's just funny - you've made my day. Your delusions run deep. Do you read your constantly backpedalling posts?

You signed two of the biggest head cases in the NFL - Ayodele was gladly let go from the Jags, as was Fabini from the Jets! Ayodele is 26, everyone else is at least 32. Parcells is done after this year - and then the wheels on the bus fall right off.

Here's the #1 signing this offseason: Al Saunders. This is a coaches league, jackass, and no one has a better staff than the Skins.

:dallasuck

[DieselPwr44]

Vandy is considered "The most accurate kicker in the NFL's history". Let that sink in for a minute.

Ok..I let a minute pass and thought about it.

I guess when you kick indoors for most of your career,you should be pretty accurate.

Plus, you still have to take into account how he's choked when the pressure's been put on him.

Maybe the change in scenery(maybe different coaching philosophy) will help him get over the jitters in pressure situations? Only time will tell........

[WeownU]

I would probably put it on par with upgrading the O-line. Kickers are important but nothing is more important than the offensive and defensive lines. As much as you like to hold out the injury to Flozell Adams as the turning point in your season it wasn't like the O-line was playing well when he was in there. Your running game didn't hit 4.0 yards per carry in any game that Adams played in last year. In fact, when he went out you guys were averaging 3.18 ypc.

As much credit as the triplets get for the Cowboys success in the early 90s it was completely on the back of the best offensive line in football. Just think back to how many times Emmitt Smith had to dodge a guy in the backfield. Almost never. Now think back to last year and how many times Julius Jones was dodging people milliseconds after he got the handoff. People like to focus on Bledsoe and the sacks as the downfall of your offense but it was the lack of a running game that really did you guys in. Sacks occur on 2nd or 3rd and long and you guys had plenty of those.

I would never downplay the role of an offensive or defensive line. Thats where game are won and lost. But up until Flozell went down, we were winning games. Its hard to argue with a 7-3 record at that point. But I wouldn't say Flozell was so "all world" that his loss singlehandedly ended our season. We spent alot of time "covering up" Pettiti on the right side and shifting guys to give him help. Once Flo went down, we had to put Tucker in there, and that absolutely opened the floodgates. We couldn't "cheat" to help Pettiti anymore, and Tucker certainly couldn't hold his own either, so it got ugly quick.

I also agree, that we weren't "Stellar" in the run game. But Julius was hurt, and we were running a 4th round rookie running back in there, so I really couldn't expect too much.

As far as emmitt goes, I hear that alot about how it was all his offensive line, and I always answer with this question.......Gesek, Gogan, Stepnoski, Williams, and Allen. Those were his offensive lineman for the better part of his carreer. Outside of Allen, how many of those guys are even going to get "a look" at the HOF? And I"m not saying get into the HOF, I"m talking about just "A look". Only Allen will get in.

Emmitt averaged 3.5 yards per carry his last year at Arizona. 935 total yards. Pretty impressive at his age, and on that line.

Don't take anything away from Emmitt, he's earned it.

[pjfootballer]

Finally, with work out of the way, now I can do some serious debating.

[WeownU]

That's just funny - you've made my day. Your delusions run deep. Do you read your constantly backpedalling posts?

You signed two of the biggest head cases in the NFL - Ayodele was gladly let go from the Jags, as was Fabini from the Jets! Ayodele is 26, everyone else is at least 32. Parcells is done after this year - and then the wheels on the bus fall right off.

Here's the #1 signing this offseason: Al Saunders. This is a coaches league, jackass, and no one has a better staff than the Skins.

:dallasuck

Where did I say TO wasn't a headcase?

WHere did I say Ayodele wasn't let go?

Where did I say Fabini wasn't let go?

Where did I say Parcells would stay more than a year?

Where did I say it wasn't a coaches league?

Where did I say the skins didn't have a good coaching staff?

You're telling me I am delusional, and that I backpeddle. Yet you brought up 6 things I have never said.

Dude, you need to take your meds, cause you obvously have me confused with someone else.

[pjfootballer]

As far as emmitt goes, I hear that alot about how it was all his offensive line, and I always answer with this question.......Gesek, Gogan, Stepnoski, Williams, and Allen. Those were his offensive lineman for the better part of his carreer. Outside of Allen, how many of those guys are even going to get "a look" at the HOF? And I"m not saying get into the HOF, I"m talking about just "A look". Only Allen will get in.

Emmitt averaged 3.5 yards per carry his last year at Arizona. 935 total yards. Pretty impressive at his age, and on that line.

Don't take anything away from Emmitt, he's earned it.

I agree. I'll give Emmitt his due. williams and stepnoski ended their HOF chances with drugs and gogan was always considered a "dirty" player by everyone in the NFL. Gesak will never get in. Only Allen will.

I think OL is the hardest position to vote into the HOF. Look at the HOGS. No one is in and I think Jacoby and Grimm should be locks and May should at least "get a look".

[WeownU]

Ok..I let a minute pass and thought about it.

I guess when you kick indoors for most of your career,you should be pretty accurate.

Plus, you still have to take into account how he's choked when the pressure's been put on him.

Maybe the change in scenery(maybe different coaching philosophy) will help him get over the jitters in pressure situations? Only time will tell........

I remember the kick against pittsburgh that was shanked. But I can't think of any others. I can't say I watch a whole lotta Colts games though. Where else has he choked?

[pjfootballer]

I still think one of the funniest things ever said was when payton manning said:

"And then our liquored up idoit kicker had to go and shoot his mouth off" :laugh:

Classic stuff :doh:

[WeownU]

I agree. I'll give Emmitt his due. williams and stepnoski ended their HOF chances with drugs and gogan was always considered a "dirty" player by everyone in the NFL. Gesak will never get in. Only Allen will.

I think OL is the hardest position to vote into the HOF. Look at the HOGS. No one is in and I think Jacoby and Grimm should be locks and May should at least "get a look".

Yeah, thats ridiculous not to have Grimm and Jacoby in there. They were studs. A part of one of the best lines ever in football.