Skull and Bones at Yale and Geronimo

[Joe Sick]

I know the Illuminati is trying to keep this story under wraps, but Joe Sick is here to shine light on their perverted little club.

I'm on to you, Remlik, et al.

Yale alums snatched Geronimo's skull, letter says

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/09/geronimo.bones.ap/index.html

The letter, written by one member of Skull and Bones to another, purports that the skull and some of the Indian leader's remains were spirited from his burial plot in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, to a stone tomb in New Haven that serves as the club's headquarters.

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Members swear an oath of secrecy about the group and its strange rituals, which are said to include an initiation rite in which would-be members kiss a skull.

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I thought they had to do something else to the skull, though... Or maybe that's the part in the coffin.

Also, the link to the original article in the yale alumni newsletter.

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2006_05/notebook.html

The Geronimo rumor first came to wide public attention in 1986. At the time, Ned Anderson, then chair of the San Carlos Apache Tribe in Arizona, was campaigning to have Geronimo's remains moved from Fort Sill -- where he died a prisoner of war in 1909 -- to Apache land in Arizona. Anderson received an anonymous letter from someone who claimed to be a member of Skull and Bones, alleging that the society had Geronimo's skull. The writer included a photograph of a skull in a display case and a copy of what is apparently a centennial history of Skull and Bones, written by the literary critic F. O. Matthiessen '23, a Skull and Bones member. In Matthiessen's account, which quotes a Skull and Bones log book from 1919, the skull had been unearthed by six Bonesmen -- identified by their Bones nicknames, including "Hellbender," who apparently was Haffner. Matthiessen mentions the real names of three of the robbers, all of whom were at Fort Sill in early 1918: Ellery James '17, Henry Neil Mallon '17, and Prescott Bush '17, the father and grandfather of the U.S. presidents.

[herrmag]

Their strange initiation rites include kissing a skull? Freaking sissies. Fraternity initiation rites are worse than that.

[dreamingwolf]

what they dont tell you is that they replaced geranimos remains with hoffas, also connected is all skull and bones members never have to pay a dime in badabings.

[herrmag]

I wonder if Geraldo is going to take some cameras on a digging expedition.

[iheartskins]

There was a long article about this in the WSJ on Monday. Interesting stuff. Let me know if any of you are interested in it, and I'll post part of it.

[@DCGoldPants]

yeah, please do.

I read this yesterday and found it crazy.

[iheartskins]

Dig Through Archives

Reopens the Issue

Of Geronimo's Skull

A 1918 Letter Points to Theft,

But Grave Was Unmarked;

Skeleton in Bush Closet?

By ROBERT TOMSHO

May 8, 2006; Page A1

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114705004282246274.html

Historians agree that Geronimo died of pneumonia in 1909 and was buried in a prisoner-of-war cemetery at Fort Sill, Okla. But whether the Apache warrior's remains still rest there is a matter of growing dispute.

The grave of the famed warrior has long been rumored to have been robbed during World War I by a small group of young military officers that included Prescott Bush, the president's late grandfather, and other members of Yale University's secretive Skull and Bones society.

[Geronimo]

An 1887 picture of Geronimo

Now a 1918 letter, newly unearthed from Yale archives, offers some intriguing new clues. In it, one Skull and Bones member reports that Geronimo's skull and other remains had been exhumed and taken to the society's headquarters, known as The Tomb, in New Haven, Conn. The letter is made public for the first time in the new issue of the Yale Alumni Magazine.

The tale of the possible theft first surfaced in the mid-1980s, when some Apache leaders received a cache of purported Skull and Bones documents from an anonymous source. The alleged desecration sparks outrage among many Native Americans.

"Who in the hell would do such a thing?" asks Raleigh Thompson, a former council member for the San Carlos Apache Tribe who has taken part in efforts to bring Geronimo's remains to its Arizona reservation. "I guess it's the way my elders used to explain to me that white people are," he adds. When the great Sioux warrior Crazy Horse was killed in 1877, his people buried him in a place that remains hidden, expressly to prevent grave robbing.

In the 1918 letter, one senior Bonesman, as society members are known, tells another about the robbery. "The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club,...is now safe inside" the Tomb, wrote Winter Mead, who would graduate from Yale the next year and go on to become an insurance salesman. He died in the early 1950s.

The document was discovered in the Yale archives by Marc Wortman, a former writer and editor for the alumni magazine who was researching a book about World War I fliers from Yale. "The letter is the first genuine evidence that Skull and Bones members believed they had Geronimo's skull," says Kathrin Day Lassila, the magazine's editor. "And it is the first evidence from the very time that the grave robbery apparently occurred."

Even so, there is no indication the letter writer or the recipient, F. Trubee Davison -- who went on to become director of personnel at the CIA and who died in 1974 -- took part in any grave robbery. Many historians maintain that, if there is a skull at The Tomb, it is unlikely to be Geronimo's since there is no evidence that his grave was ever disturbed.

David H. Miller, a history professor at Cameron University, in Lawton, Okla., says Fort Sill records indicate that until 1920 -- two years after the purported robbery -- Geronimo's grave was unmarked and covered by thick brush. "I don't think Prescott Bush dug up the bones," he says, "because I don't think he could have found the grave."

I believe everyone should be able to click through to the WSJ and access the article as today is the last day of a free promotion from the WSJ.

[Kilmer17]

sheesh you people are gullible.

Geronimo isnt dead......

[Guest Gichin13]

The rumours I heard when I was an undergrad were the Skull and Bones had the second largest water bill in New Haven to Yale, and it was allegedly a close second.

Masturbation in an open casket with group members surrounding the initiate, plus saving the seed, was another rumour. I always was tempted to break in and check it out but no one ever organized such an expedition, alas.

[wantarace17]

meh its all apart of fraternity intiation rights

[ironmic]

I know the Illuminati is trying to keep this story under wraps, but Joe Sick is here to shine light on their perverted little club.

I'm on to you, Remlik, et al.

.[/b]

The Illuminati wants your mind soul and your body, a secret society trying to keep their eye on me........you may feel that! those of you who dont, it wasn't meant for you... :2cents:

[dreamingwolf]

the body is just a waste product

[praise_gibbs]

A minor updated version:

Geronimo Descendant Wants Bones Back

AP

Posted: 2007-06-19 13:24:08

SANTA FE, N.M. (June 19) - Legend has it that Yale University's ultrasecret Skull and Bones society swiped the remains of American Indian leader Geronimo nearly a century ago from an army outpost in Oklahoma, and now Geronimo's great-grandson wants the remains returned.

Harlyn Geronimo, of Mescalero, N.M., wants to prove the skull and bones that were purported spirited from the Indian leader's burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to a stone tomb that serves as the club's headquarters are in fact those of his great-grandfather.

If so, he wants to bury them near Geronimo's birthplace in southern New Mexico's Gila Wilderness.

"He died as a prisoner of war, and he is still a prisoner of war because his remains were not returned to his homeland," said Harlyn Geronimo, 59. "Presently, we are looking for a proper consecrated burial."

If the bones aren't those of Geronimo, Harlyn Geronimo is certain they belonged to one of the Apache prisoners who died at Fort Sill. He said they should still be returned.

Harlyn Geronimo sent a letter last year to President Bush , asking for his help in recovering the bones. He figures since the president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was allegedly one of those who helped steal the bones in 1918, the president would want to help return them to their rightful place.

But Harlyn Geronimo said: "I haven't heard a word."

The White House did not respond to messages asking for comment.

Both President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush , attended Yale and joined the elite club. Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry , the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, is also a Bonesman, as are many other men in powerful government and industry positions.

Members are sworn to secrecy, one reason they won't say whether the club has Geronimo's bones.

"The reason there's all these conspiracy theories around Skull and Bones is because their loyalty to one another goes beyond their public differences," said historian and former Yale Alumni Magazine editor Marc Wortman.

Skull and Bones is one of a dozen secret Yale societies, according to Yale spokeswoman Gila Reinstein.

"If it's true about the bones, that's disrespectful and disturbing," she said.

John Fryar, a retired Bureau of Indian Affairs special agent in antiquities recovery and a member of Acoma Pueblo, said if the secret society does have remains, they should be returned to Fort Sill.

"To ignore a request like this for the return of human remains is totally uncalled for. Look at our guys going to Vietnam to recover remains. It's the same thing," he said.

For Harlyn Geronimo, this is the beginning of what he assumes will be a long fight and he's preparing in a traditional way.

Six months ago, he and a group of fellow medicine men traveled to Fort Sill and to the Gila Wilderness for prayer ceremonies.

Before any major endeavor, Harlyn Geronimo said, it's typical to hold "a prayer session that will guide us in the right direction."

Harlyn Geronimo grew up hearing stories about his great-grandfather and other Apache warriors who fought relentlessly against the Mexican and U.S. armies.

After their families were captured and sent to Florida, Geronimo and 35 warriors finally surrendered to Gen. Nelson A. Miles near the Arizona-New Mexico border in 1886. Geronimo was eventually sent to Fort Sill, where he died of pneumonia in 1909.

Harlyn Geronimo has said he wants to the world to know that the famed Indian fighter was also a healer and spiritual leader.

"Yes, he was a great warrior. At one time a quarter of the entire United States Army was after him - along with 500 scouts and 3,000 men from the Mexican Army - and they still couldn't find him," Harlyn Geronimo said.

"They had their top athletes involved in tracking him but they couldn't keep up. He was a great military strategist. But many people don't know about his spiritual side."

Harlyn Geronimo wants to create a 12-foot bronze of his great-grandfather to be placed at the warrior's birthplace in the Gila. He also would like to see a new biography of Geronimo that incorporates sound historical research and also mines the wealth of information still available from living family members.

"We have a lot of oral history that has been passed down to us that has never been published," he said.

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2007-06-19 10:02:05

This is still going on. :doh:

The part that ticks me off is:

Harlyn Geronimo sent a letter last year to President Bush , asking for his help in recovering the bones. He figures since the president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was allegedly one of those who helped steal the bones in 1918, the president would want to help return them to their rightful place.

But Harlyn Geronimo said: "I haven't heard a word."

The White House did not respond to messages asking for comment.

A year later and you still can not even send out a generic letter at the very least?

It just seems something that can be so easily settled is being drawn out for no reason at all. I am not claiming any ill-will or anything or some conspiracy but, I do not see how come this is still going on after all of this time?

This story is very intriguing to me because as I found out, Geronimo is in fact one of my ancestors.

[Ken]

A minor updated version:

This is still going on. :doh:

The part that ticks me off is:

A year later and you still can not even send out a generic letter at the very least?

It just seems something that can be so easily settled is being drawn out for no reason at all. I am not claiming any ill-will or anything or some conspiracy but, I do not see how come this is still going on after all of this time?

This story is very intriguing to me because as I found out, Geronimo is in fact one of my ancestors.

Good Ol' Prescott was involved with that too...guess he found time in-between financing the Nazi's..

[borninblood]

The Illuminati wants your mind soul and your body, a secret society trying to keep their eye on me........you may feel that! those of you who dont, it wasn't meant for you... :2cents:

I've got my eye on you...

[Spaceman Spiff]

Good Ol' Prescott was involved with that too...guess he found time in-between financing the Nazi's..

Ken, you need a conspiracy theory video to back that up

[borninblood]

Of course not..

They call these types of things theroies, but speak of them as the truth.

[NickGiaquinto1]

I have JFK's brain in my basement. Dont tell Teddy.

[SkinsOrlando]

Everyone knows Geronimo's skull is the ashtray on my desk, sheesh, his relatives traded it to me for a bag of beads and some liquor.

[Ken]

Ken, you need a conspiracy theory video to back that up

No, that is actually mainstream news.

[Koolblue13]

Did anybody see the Meet the Press interviews last election when Bush and Kerry were both asked about still being active members in the 322, skull and bones club?

I would have thought it would have gotten a little more mention that both canidates are still members of the same secret society.

[Zguy28]

Everyone knows Geronimo's skull is the ashtray on my desk, sheesh, his relatives traded it to me for a bag of beads and some liquor.

Wampum and Brandy? You English?