Read this because its true

[Birdlives]

I cannot stand Peter King as a sports writer. I think he has such a pro NY and anti-DC bias its not even funny. But this article deals with something that is absolutely true. If you think things have imporved in NO, you'd be wrong.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/05/02/mmqbte/index.html

[The 12th Commandment]

Wow. What a cryin shame. I don't like petey either, but the sincerity of this piece rings true.

[DCsportsfan53]

It's real simple, our current administration simply does not give a flying **** about anyone who's not one of their corporate buddies. We saw that from the intitial reaction to this disaster and it's only being reaffirmed now. This is ridiculous and Peter King is fully right in attempting to bring it more attetion because what's happening is simply wrong.

[BayouBrave86]

The progress has been ridiculously slow down here. When visiting NO a couple of times over the past couple months it has just been a giant trashcan with exception to the French Quarter and uptown from what I can tell. Trash is still everywhere, dead cars are still under overpasses, and plenty of houses are just left gutted. It'll be a long rebuilding process for sure but it is going alot slower than I, myself expected.

[portisizzle]

It's real simple, our current administration simply does not give a flying **** about anyone who's not one of their corporate buddies. .

That is a poor post.

The government is us and we.

What are us and we doing to help? The government bureacracy is not the be all and end all for every single social ill in this world. Stop acting like it is.

What this IS is racism on a national scale. People do not want to individually help from a national perspective because they do not give a rats ass about a depressed slum inhabited by blacks.

Where is the call to arms like what happened in New York?

[Fergasun]

I didn't want to re-build New Orleans anyway. There's still going to be a chance the next Category 3 or 4 Hurricane will destroy the city all over again. It's just a poor place to live. Mark me as one glad we're not pouring tons of money into re-building a place that is now unsalvagable.

On the more humane side of me. What happened to the people that used to live in these places? Do they consider New Orleans home or have they moved on with their lives? I would guess they have moved on with their lives. Most of them didn't own their homes or didn't have home insurance.

I don't think it's racism... the same thing was seen in Mississippi and parts of the Katrina-zone where white people lived.

[HailRiggoRanger]

He's right to report the lack of progress. I've been there, and it seems like nothing has been done. But, as some New Orleans friends have told me...Nagin is half the problem. The city received a bid by a contractor in which the contractor was willing to pay something like $100/car; so, that he could recycle them. However, the contractor wasn't a buddy of Nagin's; so, Nagin rejected the offer and instead says the city should pay one of his contractor friends to remove the cars! Ridiculous.

[Birdlives]

Kanye West said it during the telethon, but didn't say it well. It's not that George Bush doesn't care about black people, it's that George Bush doesn't care about poor people.

[DCsportsfan53]

Kanye West said it during the telethon, but didn't say it well. It's not that George Bush doesn't care about black people, it's that George Bush doesn't care about poor people.

exactly.

[portisizzle]

Kanye West said it during the telethon, but didn't say it well. It's not that George Bush doesn't care about black people, it's that George Bush doesn't care about poor people.

Over the past six years how could George Bush have shown "care" for poor people?

[kramdizzle]

ok lets sit here and look at the facts.

1. New Orleans is built BELOW sea level behind a damn, what did you think would happen when a big hurricane hit?

1a. George bush can't stand on the ocean edge and blow the hurricane back so it wasnt him who caused the hurricane or the damn to break

2. Over 100 billion has been spent on hurricane relief (look it up if you want)

3. Think about this if you lived behind a bridge under sea level where hurricanes are known to hit wouldn't the smart thing to do would be to buy flood insurence no matter what people told you?

4. The good people of New Orleans were told at least a week in advance that a huge hurricane was coming and to evacuate. A lot of people did, why couldnt everyone do the same. dont give me this crap about cars b/c all the had to do was go inland 10 miles. are you telling me if you knew that your hometown was going to be hit by a hurricane and possibly flooded you wouldnt do eveything you could to get you and your loved ones out?

5. The help was late I'll admit, but the whole damn place was flooded and no one could get in anywhere to set up some sort of relief base.

6. Give me a F'in break why is everything in America suddenly racist everytime black people are involved? when tornados detroy cities in the midwest i dont hear anyone screaming racism when the towns take a long time to build again. Every ethnic group is hated or has been hated by someone sometime in their past DEAL with your problems and move on. i found out that i am actually 1/6th Cherokee but you dont see me going around asking for my reporations from people that i dont even know who "took" my ancestors land. IT'S BS. life is not easy, that is the cold hard truth. nothing in life that is worth doing is easy.

[kramdizzle]

That is a poor post.

The government is us and we.

What are us and we doing to help? The government bureacracy is not the be all and end all for every single social ill in this world. Stop acting like it is.

What this IS is racism on a national scale. People do not want to individually help from a national perspective because they do not give a rats ass about a depressed slum inhabited by blacks.

Where is the call to arms like what happened in New York?

Amen brother

[Kosher Ham]

The devastation experienced in that part of the country cant possibly be fixed completely in 8 months.

NY is still recovering from a more isolated incident.

One natural, one political, either way progress will be slow.

I am not defending anyone, nor do I feel that anyone should be.

Living outside of Charlotte and witness to many NO refugees...

[heyholetsgogrant]

I didn't want to re-build New Orleans anyway. There's still going to be a chance the next Category 3 or 4 Hurricane will destroy the city all over again. It's just a poor place to live. Mark me as one glad we're not pouring tons of money into re-building a place that is now unsalvagable.

On the more humane side of me. What happened to the people that used to live in these places? Do they consider New Orleans home or have they moved on with their lives? I would guess they have moved on with their lives. Most of them didn't own their homes or didn't have home insurance.

I don't think it's racism... the same thing was seen in Mississippi and parts of the Katrina-zone where white people lived.

Well be pour billions into Florida every-year over hurricanes (hurricanes dont seem to stop people from living there)...why can we with NO?

-Grant

[Birdlives]

ok lets sit here and look at the facts.

1. New Orleans is built BELOW sea level behind a damn, what did you think would happen when a big hurricane hit?

1a. George bush can't stand on the ocean edge and blow the hurricane back so it wasnt him who caused the hurricane or the damn to break

2. Over 100 billion has been spent on hurricane relief (look it up if you want)

3. Think about this if you lived behind a bridge under sea level where hurricanes are known to hit wouldn't the smart thing to do would be to buy flood insurence no matter what people told you?

4. The good people of New Orleans were told at least a week in advance that a huge hurricane was coming and to evacuate. A lot of people did, why couldnt everyone do the same. dont give me this crap about cars b/c all the had to do was go inland 10 miles. are you telling me if you knew that your hometown was going to be hit by a hurricane and possibly flooded you wouldnt do eveything you could to get you and your loved ones out?

5. The help was late I'll admit, but the whole damn place was flooded and no one could get in anywhere to set up some sort of relief base.

6. Give me a F'in break why is everything in America suddenly racist everytime black people are involved? when tornados detroy cities in the midwest i dont hear anyone screaming racism when the towns take a long time to build again. Every ethnic group is hated or has been hated by someone sometime in their past DEAL with your problems and move on. i found out that i am actually 1/6th Cherokee but you dont see me going around asking for my reporations from people that i dont even know who "took" my ancestors land. IT'S BS. life is not easy, that is the cold hard truth. nothing in life that is worth doing is easy.

You speak as your age indicates. More importantly, and based solely on this response, you've never had it rough in your entire life.

1. I certainly didn't say it was about race, but about poverty.

2. We had the means to fix the levees before this crisis, but Bush chose to ignore the facts and give rich people tax cuts instead. Moreover, he actually cut funding to the corps of engineers, i.e. the military. Even moreover, there was an article in National Geo about this very subject well before Katrina. New Orleans could survive a major hit froma hurricane if Bush and his oil buddies hadn't destroyed the wetlands that absorb much of the impact from a hurricane.

3. Throwing money at a problem never fixed anything.

4. People are poor, they can't afford flood insurance and couldn't afford to evacuate. At least, those who actually had someplace to go. Were you ready to take them in? Are you going to spring for flood insurance?

5. There were tons of pictures and film of actual people who did go in to help those in need before the military and the feds ever showed up.

If you're going to get angry about something, get angry about something worthwhile.:2cents:

[Fergasun]

Well be pour billions into Florida every-year over hurricanes (hurricanes dont seem to stop people from living there)...why can we with NO?

From this link.

The total supplemental budget request for Hurricanes Charley and Frances will exceed $5 billion, bringing total federal grant and loan assistance to hurricane-affected areas to more than $7 billion.

It seems funding for Hurricane Katrina will be $200 Billion. That would mean we'd need about 20 years of Hurricanes as bad as 2004 before we reach the 1 year total from Hurricane Katrina.

It's one thing to be compassionate, but I don't think its worth the money to re-build...

[Redskins Diehard]

You speak as your age indicates. More importantly, and based solely on this response, you've never had it rough in your entire life.

1. I certainly didn't say it was about race, but about poverty.

2. We had the means to fix the levees before this crisis, but Bush chose to ignore the facts and give rich people tax cuts instead. Moreover, he actually cut funding to the corps of engineers, i.e. the military. Even moreover, there was an article in National Geo about this very subject well before Katrina. New Orleans could survive a major hit froma hurricane if Bush and his oil buddies hadn't destroyed the wetlands that absorb much of the impact from a hurricane.

3. Throwing money at a problem never fixed anything.

4. People are poor, they can't afford flood insurance and couldn't afford to evacuate. At least, those who actually had someplace to go. Were you ready to take them in? Are you going to spring for flood insurance?

5. There were tons of pictures and film of actual people who did go in to help those in need before the military and the feds ever showed up.

If you're going to get angry about something, get angry about something worthwhile.:2cents:

1.) no comment

2.) There is another thread that talks about what a "red herring" is, I think the tax cut comment fits the definition provided there. And what specifically did George Bush do in the 4 years he governed before this hurrican that destroyed enough wetlands to cause this damage?

3.) Seems to contradict the point you made in #2 about tax cuts.

4.) Should they have been forced from their homes by the government? What level of government should have moved these people out?

5.) Are you talking about the people that were looting televisions and firing assault rifles at helicopters? The out and out thuggery that took place. The fact that we had to "secure" the city before we could start to evac the city certainly says something.

I do give you credit for using "even moreover", nice.

[Birdlives]

1.) no comment

2.) There is another thread that talks about what a "red herring" is, I think the tax cut comment fits the definition provided there. And what specifically did George Bush do in the 4 years he governed before this hurrican that destroyed enough wetlands to cause this damage?

3.) Seems to contradict the point you made in #2 about tax cuts.

4.) Should they have been forced from their homes by the government? What level of government should have moved these people out?

5.) Are you talking about the people that were looting televisions and firing assault rifles at helicopters? The out and out thuggery that took place. The fact that we had to "secure" the city before we could start to evac the city certainly says something.

I do give you credit for using "even moreover", nice.

:doh:

[Redskins Diehard]

:doh:

Nice job defending your position. How long did it take to select which little head to click on?

[Mr. S]

It does take a while for relief efforts or rebuild, but I do agree, what is the point sometimes. Bush didnt fix the levees or deliver aid on time, it's in the past now. Thing now is that we either spend the money to rebuild, or move the people. Either way, we still have to spend the money to move them. If the levees could be rebuilt, as well as the marshlands, and if they can withstand a Cat 5 hurricane, then let them be rebuilt at least.

Some of my friends went to Arcadia, Florida, a storm that hit 3 years ago I believe, and they said the area was still in shambles. People I know who went to Mississippi and Louisiana did not like what they saw either. These were for alternative spring breaks, and they heard their supervisors say how March is one of their best times for rebuilding and removal due to all the ASB programs coming in.

[Redskins Diehard]

I will not argue that government at all levels performed well. Local, State, and federal ALL dropped balls on this. Black leaders dropped balls, white leaders dropped balls. Republicans dropped balls, Democrats dropped balls.

Apparently the "outrage" Mr. King feels isn't enough to cause him to spend more than one day riding around in the city looking at damage. It didn't spur him to give up his triple mocha chai lattes, and give the money instead to rebuilding efforts. It didn't cause him to cancel his trip to the team facilities and instead volunteer to help rebuild. It is people like that with means to do something and don't. Sure, publish an article to let us know and spur us to action...how about spurring yourself to action.

Instead of doing something ourselves, lets blame the President(and his henchman, and cronies, and big oil buddies) for every malady that strikes and do nothing more to help than *****.

[Birdlives]

I will not argue that government at all levels performed well. Local, State, and federal ALL dropped balls on this. Black leaders dropped balls, white leaders dropped balls. Republicans dropped balls, Democrats dropped balls.

Apparently the "outrage" Mr. King feels isn't enough to cause him to spend more than one day riding around in the city looking at damage. It didn't spur him to give up his triple mocha chai lattes, and give the money instead to rebuilding efforts. It didn't cause him to cancel his trip to the team facilities and instead volunteer to help rebuild. It is people like that with means to do something and don't. Sure, publish an article to let us know and spur us to action...how about spurring yourself to action.

Instead of doing something ourselves, lets blame the President(and his henchman, and cronies, and big oil buddies) for every malady that strikes and do nothing more to help than *****.

Wow, you don't read very well do you. I didn't defend my position because you didn't read my post. I'm of course basing this on reading your post. More importantly you offered no real insight. You might want to look up red herring before you use such a label and READ. As for Peter King, he was down there with Habitat for Humanity. Maybe try reading for a change instead of blindly defending your beliefs.

Now you've gone and forced me to defend Peter King, a man I despise. I'll never forgive you for that.

As for this thread, I opened it because I think NO is something people need to keep in their minds as time goes on and not just be swept away with the latest news of the day. I'm sorry you feel otherwise, but both of your posts in this thread show a severe lack of reading comprehension skills. If you are so offended by the fact that I think Bush doesn't care about poor people, that would be your problem, not mine. As for the rest of what you said, I don't see any point in beating my head against a wall.

[Redskins Diehard]

Wow, you don't read very well do you. I didn't defend my position because you didn't read my post. I'm of course basing this on reading your post. More importantly you offered no real insight. You might want to look up red herring before you use such a label and READ. As for Peter King, he was down there with Habitat for Humanity. Maybe try reading for a change instead of blindly defending your beliefs.

Now you've gone and forced me to defend Peter King, a man I despise. I'll never forgive you for that.

As for this thread, I opened it because I think NO is something people need to keep in their minds as time goes on and not just be swept away with the latest news of the day. I'm sorry you feel otherwise, but both of your posts in this thread show a severe lack of reading comprehension skills. If you are so offended by the fact that I think Bush doesn't care about poor people, that would be your problem, not mine. As for the rest of what you said, I don't see any point in beating my head against a wall.

Red Herring as defined by 3 members of this community(Giving rich people tax cuts instead of fixing levees certainly seems to fit the definition these guys provided):

Any diversion intended to distract attention from the main issue

Seriously, its an attempt to win an argument by leading the person's attention away from that particular argument and onto another topic.

A red herring is raising a point that does not really fit in with the arguments people are making. You pull in outside points that obscure the issue.

Here is what Big Pete said:

"Well, my wife and I were in a car last Wednesday that toured the hardest-hit area of New Orleans, the Lower Ninth Ward. We worked a day at a nearby Habitat for Humanity site on Thursday, and we toured the Biloxi/Gulfport/Long Beach/Pass Christian gulf shore area last Friday. " He goes on to mention that he spent Saturday at the Saints team headquarters watching the draft, I guess the draft is pretty important. He did work one day at Habitat for Humantiy. He offers no plan, no pledge to do anything, but be outraged. I did read the article.

And I really don't care what you think about Bush. So continue to post stuff here, that will fix it...or you could do something.

You're right, I didn't read your post, I responded to it line by line. And I guess I did get the Peter King thing wrong, he did spend one day working to fix something that absolutely "outraged him". Heres to Peter::applause:

[Birdlives]

Thank you BTW, for continuing to respond to this post. By doing so, you have kept it up top. Also for those way awesome definitions of a "red herring". Ever heard of a book? Its not actually a red herring because, (drum roll) without the tax cuts, there may have been no need to cut the budget of the Army Corps, and maybe they could have secured the levees that broke causing NO to flood. See the logic does actually follow. Please feel free to keep posting.

[Redskins Diehard]

Thank you BTW, for continuing to respond to this post. By doing so, you have kept it up top. Also for those way awesome definitions of a "red herring". Ever heard of a book? Its not actually a red herring because, (drum roll) without the tax cuts, there may have been no need to cut the budget of the Army Corps, and maybe they could have secured the levees that broke causing NO to flood. See the logic does actually follow. Please feel free to keep posting.

I am sure the posters who provided those definitions will be glad you thought they were "way awesome".(almost, but not as good as "even moreover")

If by book you mean dictionary, here is the definition from that source:

2. Something that draws attention away from the central issue

How about this...if it wasn't for welfare we would have had the money to pay for the levee's?

The central issue concerning the levee's is they were neglected for a LONG time. And even with money, you claim that (drum roll) there may have been no need to cut the budget of the Corps of Engineers, and maybe they could have secured the levees.

Do you have any other "way awesome" points to make? Or how about any other maybe this and maybe thats?