Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 a little like O.J. Simpson said he was going to use all his resources to find the real killer? Somehow, his concern about oil prices just seems a little phony. He's so connected to oil through friends, family, and former associates. Would he really be interested in cutting off his family and buddies? Maybe it's me. I'm just too cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oriolesfan93p Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Maybe he is talking about the cost of forign oil, and why we are being charged so much for it.... However much I cannot deny that the gasoline companies out there making record profits during such a problematic time, frankly they have lowered their profit percentage to record lows. This does not imply that they should be charging as much as they are, but that no matter how much we are paying, if we based things on the scale of profits a couple years ago, we would likely be seeing much much higher prices by now, even closer to 3.50/Gal. In short, the major gas producing companies out there have been cutting us a break, and its likely that they could cut us even more of a break, but then we have to remember that they have a responsibility to their stockholders aswell and doing something to drasticly lower their profits would also produce negative results as it would cost many ppl a lot of money. Bush may call for an investigation, but its not like he is heading it. They get an independant investigator to go out and find out if this is occuring. When they are done they send their results to congress, not to Bush and Bush alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 Yeah, but why is the independent investigator he's nominating a former Haliburton executive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefBigMeat Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 The big oil companies actually write this administration's energy policy. No Joke... These gas hikes have been in the making since Bush was elected and have come through an energy policy dictated to the administration by big oil along with aggressive deregulation. If you are mad about being bent over by gas prices, you can pin all that blame directly on Bush. I'm shocked this story didn't get more attention: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have an idea! How about instead of being dependent on these foreign countries, we mine our own oil!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 How about having Arizona and Nevada run entirely on solar powered cars. It's a dessert! Common sense doesn't often happen. Eliminating the need for oil may be a longer term goal, but we've been shuffling our feet on it for 40 years. That's in part because oil company lobbies are too powerful. Sometimes it blows my mind that in the seventies there were completely sufficient solar powered homes but thirty years later it's considered too expensive, impracticle or difficult to do. How come with all the technological advances we've made in most areas in the area of energy we seem to spin our wheels or even go in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Saw on a program last night that the government makes more in tax off of gas than the big oil compannies. Since so much on the "news" these days is simply someone's opinion or manipulation of fact to push their "sides" agenda, does anyone know the validity of this claim? It was actually a pretty sizeable difference in who makes what money off the gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oriolesfan93p Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have an idea! How about instead of being dependent on these foreign countries, we mine our own oil!. Our biggest deposits of oil lie in 2 places, 1 would be in Alaska, where environmentalists are saying "oh no, you will disrupt the carabu(sp?)" and the other one is in(I think I am saying this right) oil shale(something like this) and the process of removing the oil from this wouldn't be, as they say, cost effective untill oil/barrel prices reach over $90. Our dependance on foreign oil is in reality our fault and it is not an easy thing to just "mine our own oil" as you make it out to be. As for those desert areas and solar powered cars... you have to remember a couple things, electric cars don't travel very fast and not a lot of ppl like that, secondly those cars are really expensive and thus are not cost affordable either. Thirdly, that would limit their travel ability to certian areas, and most ppl aren't going to limit themselves like that. As for the Gov't making more money off gas, I don't doubt it. While the percentage that oil companies are making off gas has been constantly going lower, the taxes haven't. In fact some senators, ie John Kherry, have been asking for higher gas taxes. Now, that being said, that stat may have been refering to how much the Gov't makes compared to how much the individual Gas stations make, as sometimes they only make 2-3 cents/gal, if that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Anwar Shale Florida Refineries Nahhhhh... Investigation 3 on big oil since 2000? Yep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSW Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 What is the big mystery....his poll numbers are at an all time low and the Republicans are scared that they will take a beating in the upcoming elections. That is the ONLY reason this "investigation" is being put out there. It's kind of like his token show of deporting some illegals....it's so they can get something in the news and say "look, we are doing something about this" I believe his last press conference was "suck it up" or something to that effect...now we have this sudden change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oriolesfan93p Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 What is the big mystery....his poll numbers are at an all time low and theRepublicans are scared that they will take a beating in the upcoming elections. That is the ONLY reason this "investigation" is being put out there. It's kind of like his token show of deporting some illegals....it's so they can get something in the news and say "look, we are doing something about this" I believe his last press conference was "suck it up" or something to that effect...now we have this sudden change... Right, because we don't se any of that from the Democrats :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Since any intelligent person knows that there is nothing to see here (only the government can gouge anyway), you've got to know that nothing will be found. Maybe a few photo ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 As for those desert areas and solar powered cars... you have to remember a couple things, electric cars don't travel very fast and not a lot of ppl like that, secondly those cars are really expensive and thus are not cost affordable either. Thirdly, that would limit their travel ability to certian areas, and most ppl aren't going to limit themselves like that. QUOTE] Well, the speed thing was valid, but doesn't the government give a tax credit for hybrid cars? Think of they were serious about alternatives that could defray some costs. Pepco (Electrical Utility) offers incentives and cash back for buying more efficient Air Conditioners and refridgerators. Cost is the reason, but it's not cost to the consumers. Just look at how many people put their names on a waiting list for a hybrid. While somewhat competive price-wise they are not cheap either. In addition, as I said, solar power seemed to be working pretty efficiently thirty years ago. Why has the technology gone stagnant? I believe this investigation will be a lot of rhetoric without substansive actions. Too much money heavily invested in keeping the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Right, because we don't se any of that from the Democrats :doh: Sorry, but this isn't about the Democrats or Clinton. Your man is the one in office right now and your people control the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Sorry, but this isn't about the Democrats or Clinton. Your man is the one in office right now and your people control the house. You are correct in that the people in power now are responsible for doing something now. But to say this is an issue that was created in 2001 and exists soley because of the people in office now is pretty narrow minded, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 You are correct in that the people in power now are responsible for doing something now. But to say this is an issue that was created in 2001 and exists soley because of the people in office now is pretty narrow minded, in my opinion. I don't remember paying $2.90 for a gallon of gas under Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 damned if does nothing, damned if he does something. Why not just admit you're going to hate the man and anything he does regardless of what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 As far as the search and development of alternative energy technologies, Diehard is very right. Can blame Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II for not inspiring an energy revolution. There should have been a national goal like Kennedy's space race goal. Imagine where we would be if that became a primary focus of grant monies and scientific exploration. Diehard's wrong in that the current administration is largely responsible for the current oil policy and problems. As a very minor point, even the outsourcing that the Labor Sec said was so good for the nation contributed in growing foreign economies, making them more oil dependent, and reducing supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I don't remember paying $2.90 for a gallon of gas under Clinton. adjusted for inlfation...what and when were the most expensive gas prices in history? are they now? and believe it or not, this isn't a "bash Clinton" or democrat stance I have. Our government has failed us on this issue...for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 is this evidence of gouging or simple reducing price to stay competitive? there's an exxon and shell station right across the street from each other. the exxon is usually higher or the same price as shell, but since the prices have been going up exxon has been consistantly higher. anyways....shell has 5cents off on tuesdays AND on that same days exxon lowers its price respectively (but still higher). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 As far as the search and development of alternative energy technologies, Diehard is very right. Can blame Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II for not inspiring an energy revolution. There should have been a national goal like Kennedy's space race goal. Imagine where we would be if that became a primary focus of grant monies and scientific exploration. Diehard's wrong in that the current administration is largely responsible for the current oil policy and problems. As a very minor point, even the outsourcing that the Labor Sec said was so good for the nation contributed in growing foreign economies, making them more oil dependent, and reducing supply. Twist it all you want but we wasn't paying $2.90 a gallon in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 damned if does nothing, damned if he does something.Why not just admit you're going to hate the man and anything he does regardless of what it is. I'll admit I've largely lost my faith in his ability. Once that happens, it's hard for me to give the guy blind faith. Just too many glitches, too many coincidences, too many errors, too many revisions, too many mistakes without corrections for me. Even in your recent posts, you've taken the position that they're all corrupt and he's essentially the best option out of a list of horrible options. Hardly a ringing endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 adjusted for inlfation...what and when were the most expensive gas prices in history? are they now? and believe it or not, this isn't a "bash Clinton" or democrat stance I have. Our government has failed us on this issue...for a long time. Inflation? Do you really believe we're paying $2.90 a gallon because of inflation? No way and you're the first I've heard ever say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 Twist it all you want but we wasn't paying $2.90 a gallon in the 90's. I believe more should have been done over the last thirty years. Doesn't absolve the current administration from exacerbating or accelerating the energy problems. Or worse yet encouraging it for their own profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I'll admit I've largely lost my faith in his ability. Once that happens, it's hard for me to give the guy blind faith. Just too many glitches, too many coincidences, too many errors, too many revisions, too many mistakes without corrections for me. Even in your recent posts, you've taken the position that they're all corrupt and he's essentially the best option out of a list of horrible options. Hardly a ringing endorsement. But not different from where I was when I voted for him the first time. Im not saying you should blindly accept his attempts as the solution, but can you not see how insane it is to bash the guy for doing nothing and then bash him for doing something? I personally dont think it will work. I think we're staring at 4-5 bucks a gallon in the very near future. But I'll give the guy credit for trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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