Sarge Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49744 Author: Bill Clinton gave Iran bomb plan N.Y. Times reporter says harebrained scheme to foil Tehran likely helped advance program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 14, 2006 10:50 a.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com In his last year of office, President Clinton approved of an unusual scheme to transfer classified data that likely helped Iran advance its nuclear weapons program, according to New York Times reporter James Risen in his new book "State of War." Risen says the CIA used a double-agent Russian scientist to hand over a blueprint for a nuclear bomb to Iran. The White House plan actually was to derail the Iranian program by passing on fatal flaws, says Risen, but the deliberate errors were so rudimentary they would have been easily fixed by Russian nuclear scientists, reported the online Post Chronicle, which said the story was recounted last night by radio host and former Justice official Mark Levin. Risen's book has been in the news for its revelations about the Bush administration's controversial NSA domestic anti-terror surveillance operation. The Clinton operation, in early 2000, was code named Operation Merlin and "may have been one of the most reckless operations in the modern history of the CIA," Risen writes. A defector from Russia was to offer Tehran the blueprint for a "firing set," the sophisticated mechanism that triggers a nuclear explosion. CIA officers told the Russian the Iranians already had that technology and the scheme was to find out the full extent of Tehran's nuclear capability. But the Russian inserted a note in the package indicating he could help fix the flaws if he were paid the right price. Iran's announcement Monday that it successfully has enriched uranium was the third major development this year on the way to producing an atomic bomb, leaving only one more step. That next development – metalizing the enriched uranium to fit it into a warhead – could come as soon as four months from now, says author Jerry Corsi, who has watched the predictions in his book "Atomic Iran" unfold since it was published one year ago. In a nationally televised speech Monday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that with the production of enriched uranium, "I formally declare that Iran has joined the club of nuclear countries." The audience, which included top military commanders and clerics, broke into cheers of "Allahu akbar!" or "Allah is greatest!" In January, Iran successfully tested a missile with solid fuel, and last week, a U.S. official reported Iran now has ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. Tehran has rejected a demand by the U.N. Security Council to stop all uranium enrichment activity by April 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 The Clinton operation, in early 2000, was code named Operation Merlin and "may have been one of the most reckless operations in the modern history of the CIA," Risen writes. Isn't this the same Agency that gave ACTUAL arms to the Iranians during the 80s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Come on, if this is true, does it really surprise anyone? This is the same dope who allowed the transfer of sensitive missile technology to CHINA. It's not like Bill Clinton had any interest in American security. Heck, he'd probably have been more at home in China and have a closer vision of what America is to what the Iranians believe than what any Real American does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefBigMeat Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Yeah! If Clinton really cared about our national security, HE would have initiated a preemptive nuclear first strike against Iran, Iraq, China and North Korea instead of working WITH the CIA! whoo, thank god we have king george to keep us safe :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Not exactly the strongest case there ... I don't really see this making it past the world net daily into wider press. By the way, guess who was the CIA Director then ... could it be this Medal of Freedom recipient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefBigMeat Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 Not exactly the strongest case there ... I don't really see this making it past the world net daily into wider press.By the way, guess who was the CIA Director then ... could it be this Medal of Freedom recipient? Tenet was appointed by clinton, ya know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Tenet was appointed by clinton, ya know I know - that's why he was Clinton's CIA Director... but I'm not the one in this thread trying to criticize the actions of someone who won the Medal of Freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 Tenet was an idiot. The CIA took hits almost as bad as the military took under his "leadership". Why he was kept on after clinton is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 I am sure we can find the extensive evidence substantiating this claim right after we buy his book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 1) Why is it, whenever somebody who's written a book says something bad about anybody in the Bush administration, then the words "Oh. A book." are the only thing necessary to prove that the statements are complete fabrication. But when an author says something bad about Clinton, then here comes Sarge. 2) If every thing in that articls is true, then Clinton didn't give Iran anything, a Russian defector gave them something. The defector's only actions were to offer to sell Iran something that he could perfectly well have sold them without Clinton in the first place. The defector didn't sell them a bomb plan. He (offered to) sell them part of a bomb plan. And the part that he (offered to) sell them was a part that they already had. (Although, whoever came up with the brilliant idea of attempting to foul up Iranian nuclear weapons technology by giving them a buggy set of plans, when we believed they already had a working plan, I think, needs to rethink his plan.) Edit: And 3) So, in 2000, Bill Clinton suspected Iran was developing nuclear weapons, and came up with and implimented a (goofball) plan to try to reduce the threat. In the six years since then, the new Administration's response to the Iranian nuclear threat has been . . . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 1) Why is it, whenever somebody who's written a book says something bad about anybody in the Bush administration, then the words "Oh. A book." are the only thing necessary to prove that the statements are complete fabrication. But when an author says something bad about Clinton, then here comes Sarge. 2) If every thing in that articls is true, then Clinton didn't give Iran anything, a Russian defector gave them something. The defector's only actions were to offer to sell Iran something that he could perfectly well have sold them without Clinton in the first place. The defector didn't sell them a bomb plan. He (offered to) sell them part of a bomb plan. And the part that he (offered to) sell them was a part that they already had. (Although, whoever came up with the brilliant idea of attempting to foul up Iranian nuclear weapons technology by giving them a buggy set of plans, when we believed they already had a working plan, I think, needs to rethink his plan.) Edit: And 3) So, in 2000, Bill Clinton suspected Iran was developing nuclear weapons, and came up with and implimented a (goofball) plan to try to reduce the threat. In the six years since then, the new Administration's response to the Iranian nuclear threat has been . . . ? Article/interviews with people peddling the books they have recently written are not acceptable sources around here? I think we should be sure to point it out whenever it arises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gichin13 Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 I feel like I read about this exact thing quite a while ago ... I think this is actually old news. That being said, if true it does not seem like a very good plan. If the Russians were willing to sell the information to begin with, chances are Iran would have gotten what it wanted anyhow. Still not good policy if true though. Same on the leaks of information to the Chinese without any action. China is a huge long term threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Them damn defectors don't work out so well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stigmata Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Just remember, a former president well more than 1 actually Clinton, Carter, are going to find any camera that is stuck in his face and tell the world how they would handle things differently. you never hear about Bush senior bantering about with his opinions in front of a camera. :notworthy OooOoohh Clinton, Carter speaks shshshs lets hear there wisdom er i mean dribble uh bs.. Funny how history shows who Clinton was and how he handled things and when you look at it, its appalling, and yet he will bash Bush. Ironic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 First, I don't believe it. Second, if I did believe it I suspect this project would have been and still would be very classified and the reporting of it in a book would mean this guy would be in jail. Afterall, he would be outing a Russian double operative, revealing the exact nature of an espionage operation, and damaging international relations with both Russia and Iran. Seems like an awful lot to get away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEF Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 1) Why is it, whenever somebody who's written a book says something bad about anybody in the Bush administration, then the words "Oh. A book." are the only thing necessary to prove that the statements are complete fabrication. But when an author says something bad about Clinton, then here comes Sarge. 2) If every thing in that articls is true, then Clinton didn't give Iran anything, a Russian defector gave them something. The defector's only actions were to offer to sell Iran something that he could perfectly well have sold them without Clinton in the first place. The defector didn't sell them a bomb plan. He (offered to) sell them part of a bomb plan. And the part that he (offered to) sell them was a part that they already had. (Although, whoever came up with the brilliant idea of attempting to foul up Iranian nuclear weapons technology by giving them a buggy set of plans, when we believed they already had a working plan, I think, needs to rethink his plan.) Edit: And 3) So, in 2000, Bill Clinton suspected Iran was developing nuclear weapons, and came up with and implimented a (goofball) plan to try to reduce the threat. In the six years since then, the new Administration's response to the Iranian nuclear threat has been . . . ? DO NOT confuse the monkeys. Ditto that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 First, I don't believe it. Second, if I did believe it I suspect this project would have been and still would be very classified and the reporting of it in a book would mean this guy would be in jail. Afterall, he would be outing a Russian double operative, revealing the exact nature of an espionage operation, and damaging international relations with both Russia and Iran. Seems like an awful lot to get away with. Third: What if they DIDNT know the sequence was wrong? Forth: Rinse, doesn't he have more unknown sources than the Washington Post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 The man responsible for the NSA story's release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney B Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 So the same Russian nuclear scientists who were able to fix the flaws in the plans were somehow unable to give Iran a set of Russian working plans? Were theses scientists from the same Russia that assembled gazillions of nuclear warheads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabR Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 detailed plans on an atomic bomb was readily available on the Internet as early as 1995, i know because I had seen them back then. If I am not mistaken a high school kid built a model based on plans he got off the internet It is not the plans that hold people up it is the technology to produced the needed components if Al Quadea wanted bio and chemical weapons all they had to do was get the plans off of the Internet to built bio and chemical weapons, they did not need Saddam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 This thread title is false as evidenced by the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 This thread title is false as evidenced by the article. Yes, but would you expect anything different from Sarge? Edited for content, sorry Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Why bring any dose of reality into Sarge's psychosis? He doesn't like reality and instead chooses to live in his Michael Savage world of illfuted logic. It is his perrogative, but please don't expect him to live in the real world with everyone else. A little personal there, chom. You're above that. Let's discuss issues rationally like we usually do. It may come as a surprise, but not everyone agree with you all the time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 A little personal there, chom. You're above that. Let's discuss issues rationally like we usually do. It may come as a surprise, but not everyone agree with you all the time either. Yea, in hindsight you are right, edited and noted . Jay knows I am just kidding, but over the line just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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