TO Sucks!!!

[blang4d]

Question: Why does TO keep getting so many fresh starts and fat contracts? I'll admit that he has awesome physical skills. But he's not the only good receiver out there. We got ARE and Lloyd, who put together don't have anywhere near the baggage Owens comes with. And I'd take two younger receivers (one of which can return punts/kicks like nobody's business!) over one older receiver any day! On the other hand, there's no team I'd rather see crash and burn with Owens than the Cowboys!

:dallasuck

[Big Weirdo]

Sorry buddy. The reason TO gets fresh starts and fat contracts is because he's the best in the game. Better than ARE. Better than Lloyd. And yes, better than Santana Moss.

Moss has potential to be up there with TO someday. But right now TO is the best in the game. If you can't see that then you're just being a homer.

[blang4d]

Yes, I can see that he's the best. But he's a cancer off the field. He burned his bridge with the 49ers and destroyed the one with the Eagles. He may be the best on the field, but I think he's also the worst in the locker room.

[Sammysoc]

Randy Moss is better than TO any day of the week. Overrated.

[AllAboutSkins08]

TO sucks overall. but if you're just talking purely about skills as a WR, he doesn't suck at all. you've seen how well he played in philly and san fran. he's a beast. it's very true that he carries a lot of baggage. but all that is besides the point when you need a playmaker on your team. and he is undoubtedly a playmaker.

[joeknows]

yes TO sucks. he may be one of if not the best wr in the game but if JG has taught us anything it is character is more important than anything else. having character also means knowing when to "take one for the team". has TO ever done that? i would take a core of decent rookies with character over one TO without!!

[pmo33]

Randy Moss is better than TO any day of the week. Overrated.

Sorry,

the fact remains that TO is the best. Randy moss is VERY overated... he is similar to a TO.. but the difference is that TO plays hard every play... Randy does not..

randy has the tools to be the best, but until he works hard and plays every down like TO he won't be.

I hate dallas and i hope they do awful. but they have the best reciever in the league.

[onedrop]

Sorry buddy. The reason TO gets fresh starts and fat contracts is because he's the best in the game. Better than ARE. Better than Lloyd. And yes, better than Santana Moss.

Moss has potential to be up there with TO someday. But right now TO is the best in the game. If you can't see that then you're just being a homer.

wrong. TO could be a football god and it wouldnt matter. you have to look at everything a player brings to a team. just because TO has awesome physical skills doesnt make him the best because he didnt even play half the season last year. due to him being a prick. Santana Moss is far better because he is an asset, TO with all his drama and negativity is a liability. is TO taller? yes. is TO a better overall reciever, maybe. will TO bash his own team, QB and other players and kill team chemistry? definitely. how in the world do you consider this schmuck "the best in the game" ? hes a first class loser, a prima donna. thankfully his career will soon be over, WITHOUT a ring.

[Sammysoc]

Sorry,

the fact remains that TO is the best. Randy moss is VERY overated... he is similar to a TO.. but the difference is that TO plays hard every play... Randy does not..

randy has the tools to be the best, but until he works hard and plays every down like TO he won't be.

I hate dallas and i hope they do awful. but they have the best reciever in the league.

Randy Moss is the second best reciever to ever play this game. Hes a step behind Jerry Rice. TO is old, and hopefully he'll break a hip and just leave already.

[Big Weirdo]

wrong. TO could be a football god and it wouldnt matter. you have to look at everything a player brings to a team. just because TO has awesome physical skills doesnt make him the best because he didnt even play half the season last year. due to him being a prick. Santana Moss is far better because he is an asset, TO with all his drama and negativity is a liability. is TO taller? yes. is TO a better overall reciever, maybe. will TO bash his own team, QB and other players and kill team chemistry? definitely. how in the world do you consider this schmuck "the best in the game" ? hes a first class loser, a prima donna. thankfully his career will soon be over, WITHOUT a ring.

Moss may be the better "team" player than TO but still doesn't change the fact that TO is the best in the game. Regardless of his personality as long as he catching balls and scoring TDs it's not going to matter. He's always going to get fat contracts and fresh new starts.

His personality isn't going to change and regardless what a lot of people want to think. TO isn't as hated as some of you want to believe. Half of the Eagle players have nothing against him.

[Loxley]

TO in pads and a helmet is great, TO behind a microphone or in a studio bad for everyone who knows him, unfortunately.

On the field i have tremendous amount of respect for the guy, off the field, i shudder.

[onedrop]

Moss may be the better "team" player than TO but still doesn't change the fact that TO is the best in the game. Regardless of his personality as long as he catching balls and scoring TDs it's not going to matter. He's always going to get fat contracts and fresh new starts.

His personality isn't going to change and regardless what a lot of people want to think. TO isn't as hated as some of you want to believe. Half of the Eagle players have nothing against him.

and the other half DO have something against him. that fact alone proves my point. one does not get kicked off of two teams in three years because of their upside. TO gets contract because teams are greedy and want to win the big one. a player can only be "the best" if their positves outweigh their negatives and it is a team sport. therefore Moss is much more valuable than TO.

as Skins fans we hate your team and a lot of us actually felt sympathy for the eagles watching what TO did to that franchise. that should speak volumes in itself.

[Sammysoc]

Moss may be the better "team" player than TO but still doesn't change the fact that TO is the best in the game. Regardless of his personality as long as he catching balls and scoring TDs it's not going to matter. He's always going to get fat contracts and fresh new starts.

His personality isn't going to change and regardless what a lot of people want to think. TO isn't as hated as some of you want to believe. Half of the Eagle players have nothing against him.

Lets compare stats shall we?

TO:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3664/career;_ylt=Av8fbl05k7L9TQJ_EGfDAwj.uLYF

Randy Moss:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4262/career;_ylt=Av8fbl05k7L9TQJ_EGfDAwj.uLYF

You'll notice that even though TO has been in the league 2 years longer, he only has about 300 hundred yards or so more than Moss. His avg yards per game is alot less as well. AND he only has 3 or so more TDs than Moss. So, with the thinking that they'll both end up with the same amount of time in the NFL, Moss will be a far better reciever than TO, with less of a lockeroom, teamkilling cancer. Moss suffered through injuries most of this year, but I think we'll definately see who comes out on top.

[pmo33]

Randy Moss is the second best reciever to ever play this game. Hes a step behind Jerry Rice. TO is old, and hopefully he'll break a hip and just leave already.

I think that is a very strong statement for a player that has done little to nothing to help a team win ever in his career. In terms of ABLITY randy moss is the best reciever to play.. but i can think of better overall recievers than Randy Moss.

here is a link to a list showing how far Even TO has to go in order to be considered the "BEST" Moss isn't even mentioned.

Stats wise.. moss is not there.. if he was anything but a lazy thug.. .then maybe he would be.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=1402

To change this convo....

Marvin Harrison is the Best reciever in the league right now. My error was thinking it was TO, when it is not

[Santana_Fan]

T.O. isn't all of what he's hyped up to be, stop the b.s. Hopefully the camera will show a tear trickling down his face when he doesn't get the ball. Plus I think Santana is better, because he is a versatile WR. T.O. yes, he may be a deep threat, and have a big body and all, speed and good with cuts, but Santana's a team player, deep threat (downfield attack), he's good with speed, quickness, cuts, he can be used for screen plays (and very effective at that), KR, and PR, and reverse plays. I don't know for sure about T.O. on this part, but Moss has had three defensive players cover him at once, now just imagine if he was T.O.'s size :laugh:.

[Sammysoc]

I think that is a very strong statement for a player that has done little to nothing to help a team win ever in his career. In terms of ABLITY randy moss is the best reciever to play.. but i can think of better overall recievers than Randy Moss.

here is a link to a list showing how far Even TO has to go in order to be considered the "BEST" Moss isn't even mentioned.

Stats wise.. moss is not there.. if he was anything but a lazy thug.. .then maybe he would be.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=1402

To change this convo....

Marvin Harrison is the Best reciever in the league right now. My error was thinking it was TO, when it is not

Marvin harrison's biggest weakness is that hes got choke-artist peyton manning throwing to him. But since you brought it up, maybe you should check the actual stats again. I dont know how that ranking system is based, but it obviously isnt on stats, since it appears to me that TO and Randy Moss are either just as good, or better then Marvin in a good portion of stats.

[pmo33]

Marvin harrison's biggest weakness is that hes got choke-artist peyton manning throwing to him. But since you brought it up, maybe you should check the actual stats again. I dont know how that ranking system is based, but it obviously isnt on stats, since it appears to me that TO and Randy Moss are either just as good, or better then Marvin in a good portion of stats.

Its based on receptions.. And if you ask my opinion a reciever should be judged by how many balls he catchs..thus the name Reciever...

that is a list of the current leaders... of which TO and Randy are no way near...

They both have made more of themselves by their actions than their play on the field.

In terms of OVERALL recieving ablity though... TO is better than randy..

Moss doesn't go over the middle ever... and isn't a possestion reciever.. he is a Deep Threat... and if thats what we are talking about yes.. he is the best.. but TO does it all..

TO can hurt a team in many ways both on and off the field.....

[Sammysoc]

Its based on receptions.. And if you ask my opinion a reciever should be judged by how many balls he catchs..thus the name Reciever...

that is a list of the current leaders... of which TO and Randy are no way near...

They both have made more of themselves by their actions than their play on the field.

In terms of OVERALL recieving ablity though... TO is better than randy..

Moss doesn't go over the middle ever... and isn't a possestion reciever.. he is a Deep Threat... and if thats what we are talking about yes.. he is the best.. but TO does it all..

TO can hurt a team in many ways both on and off the field.....

Receptions are worthless if you arent getting yards per catch. If I'm correct, both moss and TO have better yards per catch. I do agree that TO is better over the middle. However, ANY physical abilities To may or may not have over moss, is negated by the fact that TO dismantles any team he is on. We both know how the 49'ers and Eagles are doing

[pmo33]

Receptions are worthless if you arent getting yards per catch. If I'm correct, both moss and TO have better yards per catch. I do agree that TO is better over the middle. However, ANY physical abilities To may or may not have over moss, is negated by the fact that TO dismantles any team he is on. We both know how the 49'ers and Eagles are doing

I agree with your assessment of TO's attitude.. he is an idiot and an ahole.. .but to be honest they both are..

Randy moss hurt the Vikings, TO is just even worse at what he does...

they are both people that i wouldn't piss on if they were on fire..

but both great talents on the football field.:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[edgun88]

The #1 reason T.O. gets so much money and big contracts is the exact reason why teams want him. He brings in money and I mean MONEY. What until next year if you don't beleive me. Every freaking Dallas brokebackboys fan is going to be getting a T.O. jersey. Plus they are going to get way way more publicity now that the homewrecker is on their team. T.O. does suck, I agree and he is by far not the best reciever in the NFL. He's just one of them.

[Bostic Hog]

The #1 reason T.O. gets so much money and big contracts is the exact reason why teams want him. He brings in money and I mean MONEY. What until next year if you don't beleive me. Every freaking Dallas brokebackboys fan is going to be getting a T.O. jersey. Plus they are going to get way way more publicity now that the homewrecker is on their team. T.O. does suck, I agree and he is by far not the best reciever in the NFL. He's just one of them.

I believe that every team gets an equal cut from NFL properties for licensed goods sold, so the number of TO jerseys does not make an extra penny for Dallas. He certainly will put butts in the seats, though.

HTTR

[Mark Moseley]

Remember What T.O. was saying about San Fran's Jeff Garcia & then

McNamb? Imagine what he'll say about Drew Bledsoe.If I had my why

I'd take all the T.O.s, Ricky Williams & Randy Moss Of the league tell

them if you wanna play in the NFL, It's going to be in NFL Europe.

If not, Have fun in Canada or the Arena League

If I were Bill Parcels I'd tell T.O. to lay face down on the 50 yd line at

Texas Stadium & KISS that Star.

[Shotgunner]

TO is the best wr physically, however that does not make a complete player. I would take Moss anyday.

[Vi]

T.O. is a brilliant player. If he wasn't he wouldn't get away with the **** he's done and still be worth a penny.

He is a good player and a threat to any team playing him; it would be stupid to discount him because he's a gargantuan jerk. We just have to defend him the way we always have and sit back and wait to see if he causes another implosion. Personally I'd rather destroy him and the Cowboys at full health than watch them disintegrate... it means more that way.

[MattGeorge85]

TO's talent is abundant and he can be very entertaining at times (loved the way he danced on Dallas' star and imploded the Iggles locker room). One great wide receiver will not win XLI or any other without establishing a team chemistry. We can debate WR's all day but he really needs to watch himself if he wants to be on a winning team.