stwasm Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Sternburg is the new owner of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Here's what he's offering fans: Here's a sign fans have bought into Stuart Sternberg's new ownership: The Rays sold out a game -- any game -- for only the 4th time in 9 seasons. (And why wouldn't they? Sternberg has created arguably the most fan-friendly environment in the league, with reduced-price tickets, free parking and even the chance to bring your own food into the ballpark. It's the dream!) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/quickie Dan Snyder, are you listening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Sternburg is desperate to get arses in the seats. Snyder runs the most profitable sports franchise in the country and has tens of thousands of people waiting for the right to buy season tickets. stwasm, are you thinking this through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 look at crap he puts on the field. they cant even compete with double and triple A teams. Synder has made the redskins the most profitable franchise in the US. i dont see what he is doing wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Snyder has the fans by the balls. Just where he wants them. He knows you guys aren't going anywhere. He could hike the cost of parking to $1000 dollars and it still wouldn't matter. Sternburg runs the lousiest team in baseball (next to the Philthies that is. Good GAWD! they suck!) He has to do something to get fans in the park. Ask me what he's doing when the Devil Rays are a serious contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 Sternburg is desperate to get arses in the seats.Snyder runs the most profitable sports franchise in the country and has tens of thousands of people waiting for the right to buy season tickets. stwasm, are you thinking this through? A man can dream, can't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 He knows you guys aren't going anywhere. He could hike the cost of parking to $1000 dollars and it still wouldn't matter. HEY!!!! Don't give him any ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 do u guys see the resemblance in their user name? stwasm, and sternberg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 do u guys see the resemblance in their user name? stwasm, and sternberg? Not really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 the problem is that baseball is much much harder to sell out. dan snyder can do what he wants/charge what he wants because of the demand for people who will pay the bucks to see a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 stwasm, um, no he cant. I know this is really simple but I think you missed the whole concept of basic economics. Stwasm has done a good job, hes encouraged people to come to the ballpark, when they werent previously coming. He lowered prices, and is now selling out games. Why the heck would Synder lower prices? Hes already got a sold out stadium(as it has been for more years than ive been alive), at the current price, why lower prices... you cant make it MORE sold-out...That would be just dumb-stupid. Im assuming either you didnt really give this any thought, or you flunked econ101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Your comparing the Tampa Bay Devil Rays to the Washington Redskins? :laugh: Come on now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Snyder has the fans by the balls. Just where he wants them. He knows you guys aren't going anywhere. He could hike the cost of parking to $1000 dollars and it still wouldn't matter. Oh poease, don't try to spin this like he's pulling a fast one one anybody. Last I checked this was still America, where you're not only allowed to compete, but encouraged to do so. Snyder is a businessman; one who in 7 years has not only turned his franchise into, I believe at last count, the second most valuable sports franchise in the world, but is now also in the middle of an on-field renaissance due in no small part to his willingness to learn from his own admitted mistakes, and consistently pour his resources back INTO the product in the interests of seeing it succeed both on the bottom line and the field. Your take comes across as either naive or disingenous. If it's something else, please do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Sternburg is the new owner of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Here's what he's offering fans:Here's a sign fans have bought into Stuart Sternberg's new ownership: The Rays sold out a game -- any game -- for only the 4th time in 9 seasons. (And why wouldn't they? Sternberg has created arguably the most fan-friendly environment in the league, with reduced-price tickets, free parking and even the chance to bring your own food into the ballpark. It's the dream!) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/quickie Dan Snyder, are you listening? Would you rather have cheap tickets, free parking, and a perennial doormat? And it's not like Snyder invests the money in players and coaches or anything. Ask Yankee fans if they'd rather have their losing teams from the 80s and a few extra bucks in their pockets or pricey tickets and the chance for a title every year. Seriously, I don't get some of you people. Get a freakn life. You don't like it - don't pay it. If this is truly the problem you claim it is, Snyder will "learn" and prices will go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Come on, don't try to spin this like he's pulling a fast one one anybody. Last I checked this was still America, where you're not only allowed to compete, but encouraged to do so. Snyder is a businessman; one who in 7 years has not only turned his franchise into, I believe at last count, the second most valuable sports franchise in the world, but is now also in the middle of an on-field renaissance due in no small part to his willingness to learn from his own admitted mistakes, and consistently pour his resources back INTO the product in the interests of seeing it succeed both on the bottom line and the field. exactly. he's running a business, and if he can charge 25 for parking, then he will. the fact that it stinks to have to pay it at games is unrelated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinSkins Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Sternburg is the new owner of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Here's what he's offering fans:Here's a sign fans have bought into Stuart Sternberg's new ownership: The Rays sold out a game -- any game -- for only the 4th time in 9 seasons. (And why wouldn't they? Sternberg has created arguably the most fan-friendly environment in the league, with reduced-price tickets, free parking and even the chance to bring your own food into the ballpark. It's the dream!) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/quickie Dan Snyder, are you listening? IMO...comparing a low-end, barely viable, MLB franchise to a high-end, extremely valuable and viable NFL franchise, is a flawed comparison. Redskins have high payroll, marquee players, storied history and very strong fan base regardless. Devil Rays have low payroll, no marquee players and an extremely brief history of futility. The old adage of "comparing apples to oranges" comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinSkins Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Sternburg is the new owner of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Here's what he's offering fans:Here's a sign fans have bought into Stuart Sternberg's new ownership: The Rays sold out a game -- any game -- for only the 4th time in 9 seasons. (And why wouldn't they? Sternberg has created arguably the most fan-friendly environment in the league, with reduced-price tickets, free parking and even the chance to bring your own food into the ballpark. It's the dream!) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/quickie Dan Snyder, are you listening? IMO...comparing a low-end, barely viable, MLB franchise to a high-end, extremely valuable and viable NFL franchise, is a flawed comparison. Redskins have high payroll, marquee players, storied history and very strong fan base. Devil Rays have low payroll, no marquee players, weak fan base and an extremely brief history of futility. The old adage of comparing apples to oranges comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Please.......Snyder doesn't have 80 opportunities per season to hammer the fans with parking, concessions, etc. All football owners only have 10 games to nail down as many $$$ as they can.....all of 'em do it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 Let me put it to you like this: I know a LOT of middle-class families who would LOVE to go to at least one Redskins game, but can't because of the prices. You make valid points about economics and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays versus the Washington Redskins. I just thought -- and maybe I'm just naive -- given that he is making so much money, as a good-faith gesture to the fans, he could reward them for their patience and loyalty with affordable tickets and parking. I'm just an old-school type of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Let me put it to you like this: I know a LOT of middle-class families who would LOVE to go to at least one Redskins game, but can't because of the prices. You make valid points about economics and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays versus the Washington Redskins. I just thought -- and maybe I'm just naive -- given that he is making so much money, as a good-faith gesture to the fans, he could reward them for their patience and loyalty with affordable tickets and parking. I'm just an old-school type of guy. While the team is making a profit, there is still the massive loan he took out to buy the team. Then, there is the price of fielding a good team, then there are stadium improvements that also need to happen at some point (Jumbotron, sound system, etc.) I understand the pain, but football isn't baseball. It is easy in baseball to have cheap tickets when you have 160+ games a year. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Oh poease, don't try to spin this like he's pulling a fast one one anybody. Last I checked this was still America, where you're not only allowed to compete, but encouraged to do so. Snyder is a businessman; one who in 7 years has not only turned his franchise into, I believe at last count, the second most valuable sports franchise in the world, but is now also in the middle of an on-field renaissance due in no small part to his willingness to learn from his own admitted mistakes, and consistently pour his resources back INTO the product in the interests of seeing it succeed both on the bottom line and the field. Your take comes across as either naive or disingenous. If it's something else, please do tell. Sternburg is desperate to get arses in the seats.Snyder runs the most profitable sports franchise in the country and has tens of thousands of people waiting for the right to buy season tickets. stwasm, are you thinking this through? stwasm, um, no he cant. I know this is really simple but I think you missed the whole concept of basic economics. Stwasm has done a good job, hes encouraged people to come to the ballpark, when they werent previously coming. He lowered prices, and is now selling out games. Why the heck would Synder lower prices? Hes already got a sold out stadium(as it has been for more years than ive been alive), at the current price, why lower prices... you cant make it MORE sold-out...That would be just dumb-stupid. Im assuming either you didnt really give this any thought, or you flunked econ101. A quick overview of the business world today would clearly portray a cycle of poor performance among companies and organizations that used 18th century economic theories as their compass. Curious, do you guys think companies like Sony, Microsoft, Apple, and Honda look at supply and demand as the guiding light for the marketing of their products? I think it's time we stopped using supply and demand as a defense of the Redskins gameday experience. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsunami001 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Snyder is selling water in the desert. Sternberg is selling sand in the desert. Big difference on your options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsunami001 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 A quick overview of the business world today would clearly portray a cycle of poor performance among companies and organizations that used 18th century economic theories as their compass.Curious, do you guys think companies like Sony, Microsoft, Apple, and Honda look at supply and demand as the guiding light for the marketing of their products? I think it's time we stopped using supply and demand as a defense of the Redskins gameday experience. :2cents: Actually I would argue that yes, companies like those look at supply and demand. Why can Apple/Microsoft charge high prices compared to competitors? Conversely, why does Sony/Honda have to offer better bargains and lower prices? If you say this economic theory causes a cycle of poor performance, then why are Apple and Microsoft doing so well? I think you disproved your point with the examples you stated.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuna_h8r Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Oh poease, don't try to spin this like he's pulling a fast one one anybody. Last I checked this was still America, where you're not only allowed to compete, but encouraged to do so. Snyder is a businessman; one who in 7 years has not only turned his franchise into, I believe at last count, the second most valuable sports franchise in the world, but is now also in the middle of an on-field renaissance due in no small part to his willingness to learn from his own admitted mistakes, and consistently pour his resources back INTO the product in the interests of seeing it succeed both on the bottom line and the field. Your take comes across as either naive or disingenous. If it's something else, please do tell. the skins passed ManU in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 A quick overview of the business world today would clearly portray a cycle of poor performance among companies and organizations that used 18th century economic theories as their compass.Curious, do you guys think companies like Sony, Microsoft, Apple, and Honda look at supply and demand as the guiding light for the marketing of their products? I think it's time we stopped using supply and demand as a defense of the Redskins gameday experience. :2cents: Without veering off into the interesting suggestion of Sony, Microsoft, Apple and Honda as "poor performance" companies ... or turning this into an economics theory debate ... in terms of the Redskins, you seem to be overlooking the way THIS organization is trending. Be it in the arena or in the bank ledgers. Where are they performing poorly, exactly? Or are you just poking a sharp stick here? * Oh, and the "guiding light" thing? Nice straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Without veering off into the interesting suggestion of Sony, Microsoft, Apple and Honda as "poor performance" companies ... or turning this into an economics theory debate ... in terms of the Redskins, you seem to be overlooking the way THIS organization is trending. Be it in the arena or in the bank ledgers. Where are they performing poorly, exactly? Or are you just poking a sharp stick here? ? I think you misunderstood me. I mentioned those companies as examples of organizations that DO NOT use the laws of S&D in their business decisions. I just re-read my post, not sure where you got that. As for my point, I was pretty clear. No sticks, no pokers. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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