DjTj Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/10/AR2006041000844.html Washington, DC San Jose, CA Seattle, WA Boston, MA New York, NY Salt Lake City, UT Wichita, KS Reno, NV Phoenix, AZ Portland, OR Sacramento, CA Indianapolis, IN Memphis, TN Houston, TX San Francisco, CA Los Angeles, CA Si, Se Puede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I couldn't go but some of my friends did. I'm sure people will write it off as a bunch of illegals but whatever let them think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Wow, kind of neat to see people actually protesting for America (in their own way), instead of burning flags and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Goddamit, I went to the last DC protest, but this one woulda been so much cooler to see El Kennedy in person. At least there weren't so many damn Salvadoran flags this time around . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 In other news... Millions of Americans wish these people would speak English while parading around with the American flag. I think the third try will be the charm. Millions of American unaffected by marchers... Al-Queda waits for amnesty... Enforcement NOW.... this is bull****... our political leaders have no right to listen to non-voters. Will make for an interesting political cycle. Every American at these protests is a traitor. This should be an impeachable offense for Bush and DHS (wow... pretty sad seeing how I voted for the guy). I hope people are starting to pick up that "comprehensive" is code for amnesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I don't see why amsnety is such a bad word. The fact of the matter is the US government messed up by setting immigration quotas too low. Offereing amnesty is simply accepting responsibility for our actions. Would it have been better if we had let these people come here legally? You bet, but we didn't. These are powerful images, and I'd bet that as the discussion comes more out and into the open you're going to see more people back off from the hardline stance. When you put faces to these issues it's hard to stay on the hardline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Where was the INS when you need them? What a missed opportunity to deport a few thousand illegals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I don't see why amsnety is such a bad word. The fact of the matter is the US government messed up by setting immigration quotas too low. Offereing amnesty is simply accepting responsibility for our actions. Would it have been better if we had let these people come here legally? You bet, but we didn't.These are powerful images, and I'd bet that as the discussion comes more out and into the open you're going to see more people back off from the hardline stance. When you put faces to these issues it's hard to stay on the hardline. eh the problem isnt setting immigration levels too low, its all the goodies companies have to give to legal workers. If you amnesty them, they become legal workers flood the legal market and cant find legal jobs and break the back of the system on benefits for unemployed and a whole new crop of illegals come in who want amnesty. then again I guess it all depends on what amnesty means. If it means they indentify themselves, get tracked, get two years to work illegally and then leave or face prison then Im ok with it. At the rate they are pouring in, if we make all who can jump over legal we are gonna have a huge unemployment % on our hands. Think about it, if by swimming across a river you can make 10's of times ammount for being unemployed than you can working in your homeland why on earth would you stay. I know this view makes me a racist and blah blah blah, but really if we are gonna be quasi socialist we have to be realistic about our population intake. You want universal health care to be a reality? well one sure way to tank that one is to just let anyone in the world who wants benefits come here and claim them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 Where was the INS when you need them? What a missed opportunity to deport a few thousand illegals The problem has never been finding undocumented immigrants. The problem has always been the immense cost of incarcerating them and transporting them to another country ... and the impossible task of making them stay there. You're not going to see any huge efforts at enforcement until we make a little headway in reducing the deficit. Freedom isn't free ... and neither is deporting 10 million immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 sarge I have no doubt they were there, but I think this is mostly a central/south american immigrant thing. socialists and communists dominate the anit-us anti-war arena, but they never give up a chance to march and spread propaganda. You can tell this is the case cause they are actually carrying the American flag and not burning it, and are not calling the country evil. If you want to end illegals, the way isnt just to give all those here amnesty cause there will be another batch. so you have 3 choices, you can ignore the issue and leave it status quo, you can send all illegals back or to prison, or you can just say everyone in the world is an American. IMO status quo is the best option, it will take a political back bone that is non existant to expell illegals, and we would have to abandon all of our social projects if everyone in the world becomes American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 eh the problem isnt setting immigration levels too low, its all the goodies companies have to give to legal workers. If you amnesty them, they become legal workers flood the legal market and cant find legal jobs and break the back of the system on benefits for unemployed and a whole new crop of illegals come in who want amnesty.then again I guess it all depends on what amnesty means. If it means they indentify themselves, get tracked, get two years to work illegally and then leave or face prison then Im ok with it. At the rate they are pouring in, if we make all who can jump over legal we are gonna have a huge unemployment % on our hands. Think about it, if by swimming across a river you can make 10's of times ammount for being unemployed than you can working in your homeland why on earth would you stay. I know this view makes me a racist and blah blah blah, but really if we are gonna be quasi socialist we have to be realistic about our population intake. You want universal health care to be a reality? well one sure way to tank that one is to just let anyone in the world who wants benefits come here and claim them. "One of the most ridiculous myths of American political discourse is the argument that the U.S.-Mexican frontier is too long to police effectively and humanely. Here is a country that has landed people on the Moon, and that currently maintains an army of 140,000 soldiers in a hostile country halfway around the planet, claiming that it cannot build and maintain a decent fence along the Mexican border" http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=4/11/2006&Cat=2&Num=016 Now you guys have the Iranians making your argument for you. The author might not have been, but the Mulahs obviously agree with her. Fitting company. As for unemployment, it's just that, it isn't neveremployment. I don't know how it works in VA, but here, if you haven't paid into it, you don't get none of it. Furthermore, what you get is based on the pay of your last job and it's a fairly small percentage of that. http://www.dol.state.nm.us/dol_quib.html They're takin our JOBS! "This good news about the breadth of job creation comes against a backdrop of labor-market anxiety that has persisted despite the economy's solid overall footing. Competition from imported goods, the threat of outsourcing services abroad, and a controversial influx of illegal laborers are just some of the forces that make many workers worried about their future." http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0411/p01s02-usec.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I don't see why amnesty is such a bad word. The fact of the matter is the US government messed up by setting immigration quotas too low. Offereing amnesty is simply accepting responsibility for our actions. Would it have been better if we had let these people come here legally? You bet, but we didn't. HORSECRAP!!!!! The imigration levels are set fine. If anything they're too HIGH, not too low. The problem is that these people have decided to ignore the LEGAL means for entering the country and becoming AMERICAN CITIZENS. They've decided to take the law into their own hands and do whatever they friggin want instead of following the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 HORSECRAP!!!!!The imigration levels are set fine. If anything they're too HIGH, not too low. The problem is that these people have decided to ignore the LEGAL means for entering the country and becoming AMERICAN CITIZENS. They've decided to take the law into their own hands and do whatever they friggin want instead of following the law. "Horsecrap" in bold is overstating it a little because, so what? I mean, it's not likes it's a bunch of Canadian coming over the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 In other news... Millions of Americans wish these people would speak English while parading around with the American flag. I think the third try will be the charm. Just because they have brown skin doesn't mean they don't speak English. The vast majority of hispanics in this country do speak English. Al-Queda waits for amnesty... Not all people with brown skin belong to Al Queda. Every American at these protests is a traitor. OK guys start locking people up - Fergasun doesn't like your political views so it's time to go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 The imigration levels are set fine. If anything they're too HIGH, not too low. The problem is that these people have decided to ignore the LEGAL means for entering the country and becoming AMERICAN CITIZENS. They've decided to take the law into their own hands and do whatever they friggin want instead of following the law. I dont know whether the immigration levels are too high or not. I also have nothing against people who have come here legally and are in all ranks of society. But my family is from India, and my dad came here legally back in the early 70s, then sponsored my mom when they got married. I was born here. Back in 1990, my mom wanted to sponser her brother and his family, in 2003 they finally received their residential visa, almost 14 years later. My cousin is now enjoying himself here, is a freshman in college, learned English in India, etc.... Now, they used legal means of getting here, I dont think it is fair for them to have to wait 14 years while someone can just cross a river and jump a fence and now may get to enjoy a similar status. If we legalize these people, as others have said, there will just be a new wave citing this legalization as a reason for them to be legalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 The problem has never been finding undocumented immigrants. The problem has always been the immense cost of incarcerating them and transporting them to another country ... and the impossible task of making them stay there. You're not going to see any huge efforts at enforcement until we make a little headway in reducing the deficit.Freedom isn't free ... and neither is deporting 10 million immigrants. You left out the part where the US really doesn't want to deport anyone. Just look at the governments behavior if you don't believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Now, they used legal means of getting here, I dont think it is fair for them to have to wait 14 years while someone can just cross a river and jump a fence and now may get to enjoy a similar status. If we legalize these people, as others have said, there will just be a new wave citing this legalization as a reason for them to be legalized.Legalization is more about what to do with people here now then anything to do with stopping illegal immigration. You can't take millions of employed people out of the workforce - well assuming your care about the American economy. Thus something has to be done to get a handle on who is here now. Stopping illegal immigration would mean securing the border and punishing employers. I haven't seen any serious moves in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchwood Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 now I have a queston: For the Illegal immigrants that took part in this protest (and I know that they were only a portion of the total) do they have the right to peacably assemble? Is that right afforded to everyone or only our citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Where was the INS when you need them? What a missed opportunity to deport a few thousand illegals I actually agree with Sarge... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchwood Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Legalization is more about what to do with people here now then anything to do with stopping illegal immigration. You can't take millions of employed people out of the workforce - well assuming your care about the American economy. Thus something has to be done to get a handle on who is here now. Stopping illegal immigration would mean securing the border and punishing employers. I haven't seen any serious moves in that direction. I agree with you that the issue is not the borders and that part of immigration but in regards to the illegals that are already here. For me I don't care if they stay, but they gotta get documented and start paying taxes. Secondly they should be either be given a visa for a limited time, or they would have to start the naturalization process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 If INS had come in trying to collect and arrest people the protest would have turned into a violent riot. Too many people would be hurt and too many businesses would be damaged. They were smart to stay on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I agree with you that the issue is not the borders and that part of immigration but in regards to the illegals that are already here. For me I don't care if they stay, but they gotta get documented and start paying taxes. Secondly they should be either be given a visa for a limited time, or they would have to start the naturalization process If you believe this, do you also want them to be paid what is considered a fair wage? In some respect the taxes they are not paying is offset by the below minimum wage rates many are accepting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 If INS had come in trying to collect and arrest people the protest would have turned into a violent riot. Too many people would be hurt and too many businesses would be damaged. They were smart to stay on the sidelines. For those that care, INS is no longer a federal organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 now I have a queston: For the Illegal immigrants that took part in this protest (and I know that they were only a portion of the total) do they have the right to peacably assemble? Is that right afforded to everyone or only our citizens? I'd have to say they have that right as human beings. The key word in your question being 'peacably'. If they're not hurting anybody let them have their day. p.s. - i love the clip i saw of the anti-protestors burning a Mexican flag. Does the word hyporcrite mean nothing to these people? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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