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How nice. And yet, if I wanted to send little Sarge to say, UNC, I'd have to pay out of state tuition :doh:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060403-125600-6207r.htm

Immigration bill proposes in-state tuition for illegals

By Charles Hurt

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

April 3, 2006

The immigration bill now under consideration in the Senate would grant even a broader amnesty to illegal aliens than similar legislation did in 1986, conservatives say, and would make hundreds of thousands of illegal residents eligible for in-state tuition at public colleges and universities.

"It should be called 'No Illegal Alien Left Behind,'?" said Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican.

In 1986, Congress granted amnesty to 2.7 million illegal aliens. Current legislation would allow an estimated 11 million illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. while applying for full citizenship.

Backers of the current legislation say it's not amnesty because the illegals would be fined $2,000. But opponents say it is amnesty because the illegals won't be sent home as required under current federal law.

It is "in every sense of what people mean by amnesty," Mr. Sessions said. "If it is not amnesty, it is the same thing as amnesty."

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat and primary author of the bill, defends the program.

"All undocumented immigrants deserve this chance," he said. "But only those who pay the stiff fines, work for six years, pay their taxes, learn English and pass a civics test will be permitted to remain in the United States."

When the Senate Judiciary Committee approved the proposal last week, many were still not clear about its details because it was still largely made up of oral agreements. But once the 471-page bill was produced and distributed late last week, conservatives were alarmed by some of the provisions.

None so much as the proposal to make illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition costs.

"This means that while American citizens from Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Massachusetts have to pay out-of-state tuition rates if they send their kids to the University of Virginia or the University of Alabama, people who have illegally immigrated into the country do not," Mr. Sessions said. "How much sense does that make, to have people here illegally and they have more benefits than those who are here legally?"

In 2000, 126,000 illegal aliens were enrolled in U.S. colleges and universities, according to figures published by the Congressional Research Service. It's not clear how many would be eligible for in-state tuition rates if the current proposal became law.

Yesterday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said he expects a final Senate floor vote on immigration legislation this week.

For years, Democrats and Republicans such as Sen. Orrin G. Hatch of Utah have pursued legislation that would enable illegals to get in-state tuition rates, which can be as little as one-third of what out-of-state students pay. While past proposals have made little headway, this one was added to the current bill last week after just minutes of debate.

"It will free eligible students from the constant fear of deportation," said Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. "We hope to extend Hispanic young people greater educational opportunities, so they may realize the American dream and achieve their potential."

But voters, even in liberal states such as Massachusetts, overwhelmingly oppose providing in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens. Earlier this year, the Massachusetts legislature was poised to approve such a measure. But after a statewide groundswell of opposition from both Democrats and Republicans, the state House voted it down by a 96-57 vote.

The bill in the Senate, Mr. Session said, also would make illegals eligible for financial aid.

Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, said the financial-aid provision was stripped out, but defended the larger proposal. "We are not a country that punishes children for the mistakes of their parents," he said.

Mr. Sessions and other conservative Republicans spent much of last week denouncing the Senate proposal while emphasizing their support for legal immigration.

But in a column posted yesterday on OpinionJournal.com, White House ally Ed Gillespie dismissed their approach as "populist" and suggested those Republicans oppose even legal immigrants and immigration.

"The Republican Party cannot become an anti-immigration party," Mr. Gillespie warned his fellow Republicans. "Our majority already rests too heavily on white voters, given that current demographic voting percentages will not allow us to hold our majority in the future."

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Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat and primary author of the bill, defends the program.

"All undocumented immigrants deserve this chance," he said. "But only those who pay the stiff fines, work for six years, pay their taxes, learn English and pass a civics test will be permitted to remain in the United States."

In 2000, 126,000 illegal aliens were enrolled in U.S. colleges and universities, according to figures published by the Congressional Research Service. It's not clear how many would be eligible for in-state tuition rates if the current proposal became law.

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Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat and primary author of the bill, defends the program.

"All undocumented immigrants deserve this chance," he said. "But only those who pay the stiff fines, work for six years, pay their taxes, learn English and pass a civics test will be permitted to remain in the United States."

In 2000, 126,000 illegal aliens were enrolled in U.S. colleges and universities, according to figures published by the Congressional Research Service. It's not clear how many would be eligible for in-state tuition rates if the current proposal became law.

what about americans already here?why are we getting the shaft?kennedy was drunk when he wrote this bill.:2drunks: :40oz: :pint:
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Classic career ****roaches (politicians). Screw the American people in order to curry favor to a special interest group, in this case Hispanics, in an effort to win their support at the voters box. :doh:

Treason.... start the proceedings. Wake up America, you are no longer represented by members of Congress. It's is only when you throw these career politicians out on their ***** will you realize what "representation" really means.

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so many americans are already being pushed out of college cuz of competition and money reasons. WHy support individuals who dont give back(taxes, and other things.) Help out current americans like me who currently attend college, not illegals.

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How would this give more benefits to illegals than citizens? If you live in Alabama and want to pay in-state tuition in Virginia, you can move to Virginia before you apply. That's the rule whether you are a citizen or an immigrant.

It's like saying that it's not fair that I have to drive 2 hours to get to Redskins games when people in Landover are right there. :rolleyes:

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i am liberal, hispanic, and i know people who came into this country illegally, and are currently fully legal, non-identity stealing citizens of the united states.

That being said, i fully disagree with that bill. Illegals got into this country....illegally! They know the terms, theyre here and want work, and they know they're going to struggle through everything because they have no status here. If illegals were helping the country as a whole, then there would be open borders. My feelings on the subject aside, thats the game and those are the rules.

How bout helping community college students who transfer out to state school out, or helping students in general out with the rising cost of text books, of which change editions way too effing often. Lets help people who are supposed to be here first.

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What exactly makes these guys "illegal" if we're sending them to college, anyway? Sadly I know little of our deportation policy, but I see illegal immigrants every single day, and I've known a few who have been here for years, no problems. I do not have a problem with it, I just don't see why they're called illegal if they have almost the same privelidges as regular citizens. If you can get a job, go to school, use public services...

About the only thing illegal that illegal immigrants do here (Charlottesville) is drive without a license. Very slow. Very, very slow.

Err, tangent over.

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Okay, everybody reading this thread needs to ignore the headline and read the actual article (and the actual bill if you have time).

The bill does NOT grant in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants. If allows such immigrants to obtain legal status through various means, and after obtaining such status, some of those immigrants may be able to pay in-state tuition depending on state laws.

You can only pay in-state tuition if you can prove you have an address in the state. Whether you are in Alabama or Mexico, you are paying out-of-state tuition for Virginia schools. If you then move to Virginia, you will pay in-state tuition. It's about where you live, not where you're from. It's the federal government's job to keep track of immigrants. A state generally just asks you to prove your residence.

The headline from the Washington Times distorts the issues here ... the right thing to do probably would have been to let this thread drop off the first page of the Tailgate...

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the right thing to do probably would have been to let this thread drop off the first page of the Tailgate...

So let's just ignore this whole immigration problem.

Go back to your normal programming folks... DjTj has told us to let all inflammatory immigration threads drop off the first page of the Tailgate... nothing to see here... there is no immigration problem... our borders are secure...

If the Democrats wanted to really gain politically they would become border/immigration hawks. I don't buy the fact that Hispanics would become a solid Democratic block (although I can see how they would think Hispanics would act like Black people). Considering that most Hispanics are Catholic and socially conservative, and they seem to have more of the "work hard to move up" Republican mentality. That doesn't necessarily mean all will be Republican.

I think the illegals who get voting privledges will end up canceling each other out.

Oh yeah... and DjTj is probably right about this amendment, but there is still one difference between illegals and citizens. Citizens (and legal residents) are allowed to be here.

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Okay, everybody reading this thread needs to ignore the headline and read the actual article (and the actual bill if you have time).

Why? We have OUTRAGE to vent!

The headline from the Washington Times distorts the issues here

There's a shocker.

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Okay, everybody reading this thread needs to ignore the headline and read the actual article (and the actual bill if you have time).

The bill does NOT grant in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants. If allows such immigrants to obtain legal status through various means, and after obtaining such status, some of those immigrants may be able to pay in-state tuition depending on state laws.

You can only pay in-state tuition if you can prove you have an address in the state. Whether you are in Alabama or Mexico, you are paying out-of-state tuition for Virginia schools. If you then move to Virginia, you will pay in-state tuition. It's about where you live, not where you're from. It's the federal government's job to keep track of immigrants. A state generally just asks you to prove your residence.

The headline from the Washington Times distorts the issues here ... the right thing to do probably would have been to let this thread drop off the first page of the Tailgate...

damnit, my bad I should have read it too

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