yazzmode621 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Antonio Pierce shoud just shut up http://redskins.scout.com/2/511862.html What an ungrateful ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonBurgundy&Gold Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I truly wonder what his deal is, maybe somet things behind the scenes that we don't know about because he just can't shutup about the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket442Olds Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Bleh, I liked him when he played here, but he must have gotten a case of the "I need media" bug, yet talking about the redskins caring only about entertainment. We have another LB who did well in Lemar Marshall (not even his original position), so I could care less what this idiot believes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I truly wonder what his deal is, maybe somet things behind the scenes that we don't know about because he just can't shutup about the Redskins. You think? What is the common thread among all the players that leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie4redskins Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Agreed. It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I just think he's mad he's still not a Redskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHerc Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Good article. Good logic. Pierce should shut up and grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 It sucks to read something like this as Antonio was one of the guys I missed when he left and was still routing for him as an individual. I guess we can just use this as motivation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinSkins Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think this article is right on point. I enjoyed watching and cheering for AP when he wore the burgundy & gold so it's really disappointing to hear his comments today. It seems like he's not as genuine or mature as we might have thought. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 You think? What is the common thread among all the players that leave? Are you talking about now, or pre-Gibbs? Pre-Gibbs, you can understand the bitterness. But what about now? Smoot didn't really talk any trash. Coles talked trash about every team he has ever left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Somebody stick something in Antoinos mouth my zipper is stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I just think he's mad he's still not a Redskin. true, why else would he be so bitter if he was not jealous of our teams success. :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altair4 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 He HAS to talk trash....if he were perceived to be a Loyalist to the Redskins Regime he would have NO cred with the Giants..... Much Ado about Nothing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I'm getting really tired of him now. I was happy for him when he signed his big dollar deal with the Giants. I understood why he did it. But this constant belittling of the Redskins is getting annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 You know what they say about girls who continue to bad mouth their ex-boyfriends; they still love them and they're jealous of who they have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Are you talking about now, or pre-Gibbs? Pre-Gibbs, you can understand the bitterness. But what about now? Smoot didn't really talk any trash. Coles talked trash about every team he has ever left. Pre Gibbs or post Gibbs. It doesn't really matter. When it comes down to the business side of things this organization has a way of alienating players and really leaving them with a sour taste in their mouths. Maybe this is just the business side of it. There is no doubt that the Joe Gibbs culture has given us fans a new light. I am fine with some of the moves we have made. What I feel a little uneasy about is the "Core Redskin" philosophy. I feel like this a bunch of BS. Here are some so called "Core Redskins" that obviously weren't or aren't so "core". Antonio Pierce- We wouldn't match his offer and he is bitter Champ Bailey- We drafted him, had his best years here and was liked among the fans. He didn't like the way things were run. Fred Smoot- Well liked, team presence, known around the city and a good player. Let him go. Lavar Arrington- A mess from both sides. This was the prodigal son and it ended in bloodshed Ryan Clark- A guy who played well in the system, did great things in the community and could have been had for a cup of coffee and some sprees. Instead we left it at sour grapes. Phillip Daniels- This guy became sort of the spokesman for the defense last year and had a really good season both against the run and rushing the passer. At the end of the season we go out and pay a guy a ton more money who has less productivity???? How core does PD feel now? Renaldo Wynn- Broke his arm after being a key piece of the puzzle for the last two years. Might get cut because we have Andre Carter now? See ya later "Core Redskin". This is just speculation of course but how core is he really? The way I see it, this team is only going to be as good as its unity. We made it to the playoffs on 25% talent last season and 75% heart and soul. This offseason we have sacrificed some of that heart and soul for marquee names. I'm mainly talking about defense here. The defense was talking about taking a fishing trip together. Those guys had a great appreciation for one another. The decision makers on that side of the ball blatently ignored that and decided that change was neccessary at a high price, Adam Archuleta. I don't have any problem with what Antonio Pierce said because there is plenty of evidence out there that he might be right about what he says and history backs him up. Most of this is business and that is something most NFL players know nothing about. In the case of former Redskins there seems to be too much of the same sentiment. I'm not going to jump all over AP for for feeling this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shsu1 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Wow, I'm looking at Pierce differently now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGUNDYBLEEDER Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 "Core Redskin" is ,and understandably so, a gimic term used to build team unity. In the free agent era 90% of the time players are going to go to the highest bidder. We need not blame the organzation completely just as we should not completely blame the ex-Skins. It is first and foremost a business and players, coaches, FO all have to play by the same rules and unfortunately a player like Pierce in Williams' system was replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahbird Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 This stuff happens every year. AP could have stayed. Smoot could have stayed. L nasty ( god i am going to miss him) could have stayed. They wanted big money. They got big money (From what I understand smoot got a cool boat ride as well). People make a big fuss about we pay our FA's. Their contract's big money years are in the fourth, fifth, and sixth years of the deal. Also their signing bonuses are pro-rated to pay big in these later years. All this means is we pay em decent their first few years and then restructure, or renegotiate or go another direction. The players have agents, their agents know the deal. Maybe just maybe guys like carter and Lloyd and Archuletta and Randal El wanted to play for an team on the up and up. To play for 2 possible and 1 already hall of fame coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Pre Gibbs or post Gibbs. It doesn't really matter. When it comes down to the business side of things this organization has a way of alienating players and really leaving them with a sour taste in their mouths. Maybe this is just the business side of it. There is no doubt that the Joe Gibbs culture has given us fans a new light. I am fine with some of the moves we have made. What I feel a little uneasy about is the "Core Redskin" philosophy. I feel like this a bunch of BS. Here are some so called "Core Redskins" that obviously weren't or aren't so "core".Antonio Pierce- We wouldn't match his offer and he is bitter Champ Bailey- We drafted him, had his best years here and was liked among the fans. He didn't like the way things were run. Fred Smoot- Well liked, team presence, known around the city and a good player. Let him go. Lavar Arrington- A mess from both sides. This was the prodigal son and it ended in bloodshed Ryan Clark- A guy who played well in the system, did great things in the community and could have been had for a cup of coffee and some sprees. Instead we left it at sour grapes. Phillip Daniels- This guy became sort of the spokesman for the defense last year and had a really good season both against the run and rushing the passer. At the end of the season we go out and pay a guy a ton more money who has less productivity???? How core does PD feel now? Renaldo Wynn- Broke his arm after being a key piece of the puzzle for the last two years. Might get cut because we have Andre Carter now? See ya later "Core Redskin". This is just speculation of course but how core is he really? The way I see it, this team is only going to be as good as its unity. We made it to the playoffs on 25% talent last season and 75% heart and soul. This offseason we have sacrificed some of that heart and soul for marquee names. I'm mainly talking about defense here. The defense was talking about taking a fishing trip together. Those guys had a great appreciation for one another. The decision makers on that side of the ball blatently ignored that and decided that change was neccessary at a high price, Adam Archuleta. I don't have any problem with what Antonio Pierce said because there is plenty of evidence out there that he might be right about what he says and history backs him up. Most of this is business and that is something most NFL players know nothing about. In the case of former Redskins there seems to be too much of the same sentiment. I'm not going to jump all over AP for for feeling this way. Lavar - after Gibbs came, how core was Lavar, really? He barely played. Also, this relationship predated Gibbs II Clark - I don't like how we got rid of him. We could have had him, for sure, but only if he was backup. Williams for some reason didn't think he was the best starter. Bailey - come on, that was before Gibbs, he was already fed up with everything. Smoot - when has he trashed the Skins? It was all about the $$ for him. Daniels/Wynn - your points for these guys are real stretches. Daniels is still starter on the team, last I checked. By the way, your original point was about players leaving having a bad taste in their mouths. It was not about building a cohesive D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think most of the Redskins fans are just overly sensitive to ANY negative remarks about the Redskins that make it to the press. He's commenting on a situation where a player is leaving the Redskins, how is he not going to mention something about the Redskins? Also, why is he going to spin the organization in a positive way when he no longer works for that organization and the situation on which he is commenting is rather precarious for the Redskins? In addition, if he's trying to recruit Lavar to play for the Giants, shouldn't he be trying to sell how the Giants organization is better than the Redskins? Woudn't his comments be classified as such? There are some Redskin fans that just need to get over it, realize there is always someone painting the Redskins in a negative light especially when it benefits them, and stop being so sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerSkins Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 i'm tired of AP . . . yeah man, you earned your keep in the league . . . but start talking like a pro man . . . TIRED OF HIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Phillip Daniels- This guy became sort of the spokesman for the defense last year and had a really good season both against the run and rushing the passer. At the end of the season we go out and pay a guy a ton more money who has less productivity???? How core does PD feel now?Renaldo Wynn- Broke his arm after being a key piece of the puzzle for the last two years. Might get cut because we have Andre Carter now? See ya later "Core Redskin". This is just speculation of course but how core is he really? . Dude, you know we still needed a passrushing DE, right? Andre Carter filled a glaring need on this team. I agree with you're other examples, but these two are reaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Rich said it all in his piece. All I can figure is AP has changed a bit after a year in that crazy, confrontational New York sports media environment. His tone and the pretty mindless content in those comments don't sound like the same guy that quietly earned his way on to the field here. Nothing all that suprising, I guess, just a little disappointing. I thought AP was bigger than all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 It has nothing to do with the Skins. This is the way most players in the league react when the leave after prolonged negotiations don't go exactly their way. Look at Steve Hutchinson or Adam Vinatieri. They all both felt slighted by their clubs when another team made them an offer that didn't fit into their current team's salary structure. Those offers are the only way you GET free agents. In these situations, it's often the first time these guys have tasted free agency and been recruited by other teams. It's the first time they've been wooed since high school when colleges were looking at them. Everyone wants to feel wanted, and it's very natural to be bitter when the team you thought wanted to keep you around for a while doesn't offer you as much money as another club who sees you as a great fit. It's just business in the end. Pierce's attitude and outspokenness on the subject of the Redskins speaks to anger and immaturity on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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