sableholic Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 So you are saying that you are one of the few that thought (at the time of his signing) that Moss was a great WR that deserved that big of a contract? I get the feeling that you are like the majority and jumped on the Moss wagon after he broke out as a dominant WR. Not sure why this thread turned into a Moss vs El war. That said, what he is saying is that he doesn't think that El will have a Moss type year. He's entitled to his own opinion, but why is that so hard to believe? Let's look at it like this, this year Moss was the only option. Next year El will be one of 4 or 5 options. For him to even come close to Moss type #'s he would have to move into the #1 spot instead of Moss. Do you see that happening? Its pretty simple, he doesn't think that El will have the year Moss had and it's hard to see why he would. El will have a good year, maybe even career high's as spaniard said, but a Moss type year? Come on guys. We have Lloyd, Moss, Patten, and El to throw to now. Plus Portis rushing. Then Cooley needs some passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyes420m Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Not sure why this thread turned into a Moss vs El war. That said, what he is saying is that he doesn't think that El will have a Moss type year. He's entitled to his own opinion, but why is that so hard to believe? Let's look at it like this, this year Moss was the only option. Next year El will be one of 4 or 5 options. For him to even come close to Moss type #'s he would have to move into the #1 spot instead of Moss. Do you see that happening? Its pretty simple, he doesn't think that El will have the year Moss had and it's hard to see why he would. El will have a good year, maybe even career high's as spaniard said, but a Moss type year? Come on guys. We have Lloyd, Moss, Patten, and El to throw to now. Plus Portis rushing. Then Cooley needs some passes. Agreed... but my original point before it turned to MOSS VS EL was that the same people who said that the skins overpaid for EL are probably the same people who said the same about Moss last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespaniard Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Agreed... but my original point before it turned to MOSS VS EL was that the same people who said that the skins overpaid for EL are probably the same people who said the same about Moss last season your point has been noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Thanks for taking the time. I am wiser for have read it. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 not to open a new can of worms, but RE is going to do things for the team that can't been seen on a stat sheet, but will help us in the win column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyes420m Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 How could the skins have overpaid for Moss? The contract was already in place when they acquired him.. lets see did the skins have to aquire him with that big contract? no, and I do believe before the season started that Moss' contract had to be re-worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757niner Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 PFT TEN-PACK: FREE AGENCY WINNERS, LOSERS http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm Now that the first wave of free agency has thrown millions of new money into the pockets of plenty of players, let's take a time out and look at the biggest winners and biggest losers after five full days of activity. First, the winners: 1. Antwaan Randle El: 35 catches in 2005. $11.5 million in bonus money in 2006. Should anyone be surprised when T.O. wants $18 million to sign? 2. Arizona Cardinals: Finally, the Bidwills realize that sometimes you've gotta spend money to make money. 3. Edgerrin James: He learned everything he knows about grabbing the most coin from Peyton Manning. 4. Miami Dolphins: Daunte Culpepper for a second-round pick? In 17 states, that constitutes rape. 5. Adam Archuleta: No offense intended, but if this guy can get $10 million in guaranteed coin, we've still got a chance to catch on somewhere for the league minimum. 6. Cleveland Browns: With John Collins counting beans somewhere other than in the team's front office, Phil Savage finally can put his imprint on the frnachise. 7. Uncle Sam: Perhaps the biggest winner in this process, the Internal Revenue Service scored millions in tax dollars after the CBA extension pushed the salary cap above nine figures. 8. Drew Brees: Though his contract is only a one-year arrangement, $10 million for a guy with a bad shoulder and a mixed track record ain't too shabby. 9. Jon Kitna: The former Bengals starter who was bumped out of a job by the No. 1 overall pick in 2003 gets a chance to start again after bumping out the No. 3 overall pick in 2002. 10: Steve Hutchinson: An interior offensive lineman gets a $49 million contract? What's next? $45 million for a kicker? Now for the losers: 1. Indianapolis Colts: Edgerrin James, Larry Tripplett, and David Thornton are gone for good. Do you think Bill Polian might be having second thoughts about his decision to tie up so much money in his second and third receivers? 2. The Postons: They overpriced their clients who were hitting the market, and as a result none of them got a sniff when the money was flowing like liquid from an elephant with IBS. To add insult to ignorance, Carl is now facing a two-year unpaid vacation. 3. Washington Redskins: We suggest that Dan Snyder satisfy his insatiable hunger for collecting NFL players at an unjustifiable premium by searching for McFarlane figures on eBay. 4. Jamal Lewis: The guy who pouted for a couple of years regarding the lack of a long-term, blockbuster deal stays in Baltimore for what amounts to a one-year, $6 million contract. 5. Oakland Raiders: To address the various holes in its roster, the Raiders have done . . . absolutely freakin' nothing. 6. Kris Jenkins: With Damione Lewis and Maake Kemoeatu added to the rotation at defensive tackle, Jenkins' days as a Panther could be numbered. 7. Green Bay Packers: All that cap space, and no significant additions. To make matters worse, Lord Favre is now trying to play G.M. 8. Eric Moulds: By sitting on his rights when everyone knows they'll eventually cut him, the Bills blocked Moulds' shot at getting one last solid payday. 9. New York Giants: First they let Kendrick Clancy slip away. Then they sign every washed up defensive back that's on the market. 10. Jon Runyan: The guy decides to take a vacation to the Caymans at a time when NFL teams are working overtime to give money away. Who's he getting advice from, Ross Verba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespaniard Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 lets see did the skins have to aquire him with that big contract? no, and I do believe before the season started that Moss' contract had to be re-worked. That is nice. You still completely missed the point of my post. But your point is noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Not sure why this thread turned into a Moss vs El war. That said, what he is saying is that he doesn't think that El will have a Moss type year. He's entitled to his own opinion, but why is that so hard to believe? Let's look at it like this, this year Moss was the only option. Next year El will be one of 4 or 5 options. For him to even come close to Moss type #'s he would have to move into the #1 spot instead of Moss. Do you see that happening? Its pretty simple, he doesn't think that El will have the year Moss had and it's hard to see why he would. El will have a good year, maybe even career high's as spaniard said, but a Moss type year? Come on guys. We have Lloyd, Moss, Patten, and El to throw to now. Plus Portis rushing. Then Cooley needs some passes. I seem to remember a past Redskins team with 3 1000 yd. receivers. No reason why it can't happen. QB play will likely be the determining factor here. Ultimately, these types of discussions/comparisons are pointless until the end of the season. There's just too much speculation. The team valued the players and payed what is believed to be fair value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sableholic Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 757niner, why'd you post something thats already been posted in its own thread and although has some pertinence to this topic, isn't really neccessary? Couldn't you have just linked to the other topic with that PFT article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyes420m Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 That is nice. You still completely missed the point of my post. But your point is noted. I think that its apparent that we both missed each others point, so hail to the redskins, and its pizza time for this skins fan... :logo: :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertarenas Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Has anybody seen Andre Carter play? I'm a little worried because he said one of his key influences on him in San Francisco was Dana Stubblefield. :rubeyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sableholic Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 I seem to remember a past Redskins team with 3 1000 yd. receivers. No reason why it can't happen. QB play will likely be the determining factor here. Ultimately, these types of discussions/comparisons are pointless until the end of the season. There's just too much speculation. The team valued the players and payed what is believed to be fair value. ... I didn't even want to get into speculation, I just wanted to strictly talk monetary value. Yes it is possible, but theres a couple factors A) different time, a lot has changed. Let's just leave that at that. It will be the first year in a new system, yes not entirely new, but new none the less. There will be changes made and QB's will have to gel with WR's etc. The 3 1000 yard year your referring to was 1989, 3 years since the trio had been together, 4 since Clark was with the team, and 5 since Monk was with the team. It was also Gibb's 8th season. I'd say thats a slightly different case then 2 WR's being added and a new offensive scheme wouldn't you? I mean just look at the Colts, they did it two full seasons after they got their trio together (and that was with Peyton breaking all sorts of records) and even they fell off slightly this year. Is it possible yes, but probable? Not really. Getting 2 WR's with 1000 yards isn't easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portis the Tortoise Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Although we may have overpaid slightly, I don't mind the WRs or Carter. There's just something about making Archuleta the NFL's highest paid safety (EVER) that makes me woner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespaniard Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Although we may have overpaid slightly, I don't mind the WRs or Carter. There's just something about making Archuleta the NFL's highest paid safety (EVER) that makes me woner. Yeah, that one is a little hard to swallow. Williams better have some big plans for him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sableholic Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 Yeah, that one is a little hard to swallow. Williams better have some big plans for him.. Any idea who the previous highest paid safety was? Ed Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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