Blade Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Thanks for the insight, Perf. Did you come up with that before or after your mommy wiped the Gerbers off your chin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Eagletisitic, you have a better QB. You've said it. We've said it. There's no debate on that, so I'm not sure why you keep at it. What you don't seem to grasp is the fact that the team with the better quarterback doesn't ALWAYS win. I think it's fair to say Brian Greise is a better QB than Tony Banks. But he didn't have nearly as strong a supporting cast, so he looked like doo doo. This year the Redskins are a team that relies more on it's RB than it's QB to carry the team. The Eagles are not. It's silly to compare their offenses based on this one position. Suppose I went to the Eagle board and made up some nonsense about Duce being an average injury-prone nobody compared to Stephen Davis, therefore the Redskins will not only win, but crush the Running-back starved Eagles. And not only that, but the Eagles have noone who is able to step in and take Staley's place, and considering that Philly's #1 WR was a rookie free agent who the Redskins didn't even want as a #3 WR, it's safe to say the future of the Eagle offense looks hopelessly bleak. I could follow up with some crack about how cheap the Eagle's owner is and how he wouldn't pony up the cake to sign any good free agents next year, so obviously the Eagles are doomed to spin their wheels for a few years before predictably falling to the bottom of the division once again. I suspect I'd get a similar reaction to the one you're getting here. ------------------ "Men, there's nothing to get excited about. The situation is normal; we are surrounded." [ by Henry on November 21, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_Lou Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Originally posted by Griff:Eagle Lu, Has Duce meet LaVar yet??? I am sure he will get a formal introduction Sunday... Your football wisdom is just impeccable, how is it your infinite football skills, your uncanny knack for judging NFL talent, never got into coaching in the NFL or maybe scouting, we sure lost a gem when the NFL let you fall through the cracks, thank you for truly in lightning us and blessing us with your super informative posts. Text...Hi Griff, your right when it comes to winning Championships, only Vince Lombardi himself has more savy than me when its time to really get it done. Let me just increase the mystery questions here,,, has LaVar met John Runyan yet? He will on Sunday. Spys are getting burnt this year by McNabb, just ask any Giant fan if you dont believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins57 Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 LaVar practices againist Samuels and Jansen so anyone you got is just a speed bump in comparison Hail Skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Oh my god Perf's back!!! Well that was as blunt as blunt can be, but let me be blunter: We'll see (we do play two games ) ok let's cut the bull, skins suck, eagles rule, nuf said <FONT COLOR="Yellow">HTTR!!!</FONT c> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF4L Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 I can't believe the half-wit twins are still hangin' around. I suppose we'll be graced with their presence until the Skins have salted the game away this Sunday. You know what must be really scary for you guys? When the Eagles look across the line, they pretty much see themselves. A scrappy, hang in there, hard hitting, never say die squad. Nothing like the old Norvskins. Only this reflection has better skill at RB, WR and DB in particular. And don't forget about 56. Please remember to show up Monday with your congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagletistic Posted November 22, 2001 Author Share Posted November 22, 2001 Yes RedskinFan4Life I'm still here. I just feel alot of love in this room and enjoy the presence of your company. I appreciate the compliment on the half wit twins. I must be movin up in your eyes. Yesterday I was 1/4 wit which was half of 1/2 wit. I also like the fact that you give some credit to the Eagles. As far as talent overall or CB can hang although age will be a factor soon. Eagles LB's are strong most likely better overall but LaVar is your Gem. Your D-line is old so I rather have the Eagles. RB I like Duce but Davis is a better power back. I think Duce is better suited for our type of offense. Why would I want to leave this message board? According to my McKracken pic my head is up my A$$ I have no idea where I'm at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 22, 2001 Share Posted November 22, 2001 Originally posted by Eagletistic: Yes RedskinFan4Life I'm still here. I just feel alot of love in this room and enjoy the presence of your company. I appreciate the compliment on the half wit twins. I must be movin up in your eyes. Yesterday I was 1/4 wit which was half of 1/2 wit. The quality of your posts has improved. Who'd have thunk it? Keep it up and you might find us believing your head has found its way out of its a-hole. On to the football talk... Originally posted by Eagletistic:I also like the fact that you give some credit to the Eagles. As far as talent overall or CB can hang although age will be a factor soon. Eagles LB's are strong most likely better overall but LaVar is your Gem. Your D-line is old so I rather have the Eagles. RB I like Duce but Davis is a better power back. I think Duce is better suited for our type of offense. Why would I want to leave this message board? According to my McKracken pic my head is up my A$$ I have no idea where I'm at. I agree with most of what you said here other than the line about our D-line being old. Only the DEs are old... Lang and Wilkinson are still relatively young. The problem has been that neither of them have lived up to thier 1st round draft choice billing until this year. Lang has been remarkable at DT and Wilky is finally showing some push into the backfield and making an impact. The biggest problem the Skins are going to have is containing McNabb. I remember from the Seahawks game that there were several instances where the Skins D left gaping holes in the pocket. I thought, "Its a good thing Hasselbeck is not McNabb, or that would have been another 20 yards..." McNabb's ability to scramble out of the pocket for time and/or yards will make the difference in this game. I look forward to seeing if the Skins D can limit him. [ by Blade on November 22, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagletistic Posted November 23, 2001 Author Share Posted November 23, 2001 by blade The biggest problem the Skins are going to have is containing McNabb. I remember from the Seahawks game that there were several instances where the Skins D left gaping holes in the pocket. I thought, "Its a good thing Hasselbeck is not McNabb, or that would have been another 20 yards..." McNabb's ability to scramble out of the pocket for time and/or yards will make the difference in this game. I look forward to seeing if the Skins D can limit him. Blade you might not have to worry about your d on McNabb this week. For the majority of the season McNabb was staying in the pocket trying to create something. It wasn't until the the last few games he started scrambling again. He had some of his better scrambling games against the Redskins so will see. As far as the football knowledge, your the one that continued to point out typos and use the language, but hey your the boss of the MB and I guess it makes you feel good about yourself. I might have stoop to your level at times but I signed up to talk about football. Duce seems to be underated on this MB. He is not an elite RB but fits good in the Eagles scheme. He looks like he is getting healthy and gaining confidence on the ankle. Will see what he can do against your young D. If he has another good game I think the man is back and not just feeding on weak D's. The Redkins need to give him some respect he is by no means a stiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Not one Redskin fan is yet comfortable with Banks as a solution to our quarterbacking needs. But, just about every Redskin fan realizes the play we've received from Banks has exceeded our expectations. After a slow start as a starter, the Redskins tweaked the offense and Banks has been a pretty solid performer for us. However, we aren't going to win games at the quarterback position at this point. None of us believes that's the case. But, Banks is 28. He has the physical tools to be an elite quarterback. He's lacked the intangibles to enter that category. But, perhaps as has been witnessed by any number of quarterbacks who have enjoyed great success, Banks is merely blooming later in his career. Perhaps not, but it' snot a discountable point. Garcia, Warner, Young, Testaverde are those among others who have been very good quarterbacks despite not being given a chance, or not living up to their chance, earlier in their careers. While I'm not comfortable now with what we have at quarterback, the Redskins are not a team that is traditionally built around that position. And in Banks, he is generally the type of QB that has seen success here. He's got the physical tools to succeed and he may have the pieces around him to assist that evolution. What may be interesting is that McNabb's wonderful second season as a pro, while superior, was only mildly superior to Banks' second season as a pro. Banks certainly regressed and teams found out his weaknesses and have slowed him. McNabb in my view is the best young QB in football. Not as a passer or as a runner. But as a leader with an intangible quality of leadership and as a winner. We probably won't be, during McNabb's career, in the same fortunate spot the Eagles are in at present. But, you won't be in the same fortunate spot we are at corner, with young gifted talent, or at offensive tackle, or whatever. It's a trade off in many ways with the cap dictating what teams can ultimately do. But, where we may find ourselves fortunate is that Banks is an ideal candidate for a later career story of success. No one has ever doubted the skills as a quarterback he clearly has. He's still doubted for his leadership qualities and some of the mental limitations he may still demonstrate. If he doesn't work out, we'll search for a guy who will. If he does, we have a QB with the skill level to lead this team, given the parts around him. While it's hard to say how it may work out, Banks is creeping into the team as a leader and a guy to rally around. Perhaps this is his time. I can't say I necessarily believe it. But, I know neither of us can say it's not possible and potentially a very nice quarterbacking solution if it works out. If it works out. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Originally posted by Eagletistic: As far as the football knowledge, your the one that continued to point out typos and use the language, but hey your the boss of the MB and I guess it makes you feel good about yourself. I might have stoop to your level at times but I signed up to talk about football. You came to our house and shot the flaming arrows. If you can't deal with the heat you get back, get out of our kitchen. I wont make it my problem if you can not tell the difference between pointing out 'typos' (which I have NOT done), and pointing out fallacies of logic and poor arguments (which I HAVE done). Talk ball, you'll get a conversation here...or talk smack, and get sent home burned. Originally posted by Eagletistic: Duce seems to be underated on this MB. He is not an elite RB but fits good in the Eagles scheme. He looks like he is getting healthy and gaining confidence on the ankle. Will see what he can do against your young D. If he has another good game I think the man is back and not just feeding on weak D's. The Redkins need to give him some respect he is by no means a stiff. Its possible that Duce could have a great day against the Skins. He has done it before. But he doesnt get the respect equal to Stephen Davis or Emmitt Smith (who seems to own the Skins) because he has not earned it. Frankly, Stephen Davis has shown more productivity and more durability than Duce, and will NOT get as much respect as Davis from ANYONE except an Iggs fan. Lets see him single-handedly carry the Iggs to a win over the Skins (like Emmitt has in the past; like S. Davis has done for the Skins), and then you'll see him get some props. [ by Blade on November 24, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_Lou Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Originally posted by Blade: Its possible that Duce could have a great day against the Skins. He has done it before. But he doesnt get the respect equal to Stephen Davis or Emmitt Smith (who seems to own the Skins) because he has not earned it. Frankly, Stephen Davis has shown more productivity and more durability than Duce, and will NOT get as much respect as Davis from ANYONE except an Iggs fan. Lets see him single-handedly carry the Iggs to a win over the Skins (like Emmitt has in the past; like S. Davis has done for the Skins), and then you'll see him get some props. [<IMG SRC="http://www.extremeskins.com/ubb/edited.gif" border=0> by Blade on November 24, 2001.] Careful what you wish to see happen Blade, it just may come to pass, LoL. It just may come to pass. Duce Staley = 146 yards against the Skins on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagletistic Posted November 24, 2001 Author Share Posted November 24, 2001 Art, Not trying to be a kiss a$$ especially to a Redskin fan but that is probably one of the honest most well written post I have read on a football MB. Your first paragraph was the point I was trying to get across to everyone. The only difference is you feel with Banks arm he has the tools to be an elite QB in the NFL. I don't think he does. Blade took it personal and gave some facts and resorted to smack and busts. I seriously think he has me mistaken. If he reads my posts he will see I always gave some opinions about a team that will not succeed with the current QB. Banks may be a bandaid and cover up the scares but to me Banks is not the solution. In the past few years the Redskins have drafted talent. The busts have come through free agency. If the fans of Washington agree that the draft has worked in the past why not gamble on drafting the future QB? That was my point from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Originally posted by Eagle_Lou: Careful what you wish to see happen Blade, it just may come to pass, LoL. It just may come to pass. Duce Staley = 146 yards against the Skins on Sunday. Brilliant Lou. Way to contribute. If all you're going to do is pretend to know the future, go to the Psychic Friends board. At least there, people will tolerate that sort of idiocy. [ by Blade on November 24, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Specifically, Eagletistic, I believe Banks has the physical quarterbacking skills to be an elite player. Meaning I believe few are his equal in terms of the total physical package a quarterback must have. Few are Jeff George's equal either, and it's not really meant much for him. But, Banks has more physical tools than Kurt Warner. What he's never had were the intangibles that make a quarterback great and I'm not sure he'll ever get those. In terms of drafting a quarterback of the future in the draft, it brings an interesting point that we've discussed here repeatedly. I said a while back when Banks first took over and we all started talking about the need for a franchise quarterback that if Banks did as poorly as we expected, and we picked No. 2 or No. 3 in the draft, that we'd be picking too high in the draft to go with a middle of the first-round talent available at quarterback in this draft. And I said if we are picking in the middle of the first round with Banks at the helm, given the start, then, really, we won't need a QB afterall. I still see this as the case. If we stumble and fall, and we yet may, we will need a quarterback for the future, but, we have other needs that should be addressed for value rather than need picking early. Picking later, and the need for a QB diminishes, because the reason we are picking later is because a guy won for us. The only reasonable way I see the Redskins going QB in the draft is if we are 6-10 or so and we are picking around No. 10. Then you can argue the potential impact of a slight reach at QB versus the fact that the projected impact players in the draft will be gone by that pick, though impact players still survive until that pick and later. No, to me, the Redskins need to go a different direction than the QB position early in the upcoming draft. We should go with a guy in some round who has raw talent but needs work. Like Aaron Brooks, or Brett Favre were. Perhaps Leftwich, out of Marshall, if he comes out, could slip into a the second or third or later, depending on his workout, and he'd be a guy I'd be interested in. Perhaps Thomas at UNLV. Perhaps both or neither will be available in this line of thought, but, to me, that's what I'd do if I were in charge of the franchise. Unless Chris Sims declares while we are on the clock that is . ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Originally posted by Eagletistic:Blade took it personal and gave some facts and resorted to smack and busts. I seriously think he has me mistaken. If he reads my posts he will see I always gave some opinions about a team that will not succeed with the current QB. Eagletistic, of the babbling Igglets that have appeared here, you've shown the most promise as a potential positive contributor. Dont screw it up by lying about the things you write. Your second post on this thread was: Originally posted by Eagletistic:weak, weak, weak, weak, weak reply. What does the MODERATOR have to come in here and spice it up with a few deletions and warnings. When I call you out on this, you even *agreed* with me. Considering 95% of my posts are my replies to your topical FOOTBALL discussion, you should take some responsibility for your actions and understand why you get what you get from me and the others here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 "I see the signs of a great D but without the O your team will go nowhere." - Eagleistic How soon we forget. I guess you think Ravens rode that juggernaut OFFENSE all the way to the Super Bowl championship, right? Who did they play? Oh yeah, the NY Giants! Another strong D/mediocre O team. What league have you been watching over the last couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagletistic Posted November 24, 2001 Author Share Posted November 24, 2001 Blade compare your post to mine then ask yourself who truly more of a smack talker ? I've said before I may have done it a few times but you continue to keep it a priority on all your topics. Art had his fun but now seems to talk mostly football unless other outsiders rough his feathers. On to football. This Eagle fan would like to know what you think Banks will do this Sunday since it looks like he will start? In your opinion what is the outcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Banks is a "slow burner" mainly. He has a tendancy to take a quick timeout, make some mental or even physical ones early on. Against an opportunistic defense like the Eagles, that doesn't bode well for the Skins. However, it's his supporting cast that brings it all together and helps him settle down, especially Marty Schottenheimer and his son (Brian), the QB coach. The lineman and skilled position players don't jump up and down on him, but have pulled together to let him know they'll be patient with him. This wasn't the case with other QB's. Graham is just Graham and offers some advice as well, when it warrants. All this taken into account, Banks should be very focused for this game and I look for him to have a better understanding of the clock management, even greater detail of the offense and the preciseness of the lanes for throwing and better judgement of moving within or out of the pocket. We have the necessary WR and TE's, not just one, to make the most of that. Moreover the depth in these positions has gotten playing time or even started, so there are actually more weapons than Banks initially used before. The blitz packages the Eagles use won't be garden variety, I'm sure, so some things Banks will just have to improvise and recognize who the playmakers are on each time he's flushed or just rollouts. <FONT COLOR="Yellow">HTTR!!!!</FONT c> :logo: [ by indyskinsfan on November 24, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagletistic Posted November 24, 2001 Author Share Posted November 24, 2001 It seems that on the most part the feeling out process is done and we can all now start talking football. As far as Banks them man has had some outstanding games in the past. I remember them when he was a member of both the Rams and Ravens. Banks did play the Eagles a few years ago at the Vet and I remember him having a pretty bad game. (But I could be corrected) Another issue has just crossed my mind and that is the weather. It looks like it may rain during the game and if that is the case I think it is a clear advantage to the Redskins. This has the potential for a big running game. If the Redskins fans don't already know the Vet has a new turf (XTurf). If you do you probably heard they had some troubles during the preseason. That problem was solved but the turf is very slippery, even when dry. The stuff looks great but looks a little shinny at night. There is a High School in my area that just installed it and it does feel soft and looks nice. Believe me it is definetly better than the fake stuff I seen and played on in the past. That said it still doesn't beat the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjeff Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 That is the worst looking turf I have ever seen. It looks like it has a sheet of ice on top of it when you watch an Eagle game on TV. It just looks flat out wierd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTD Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Hey Art, why are ya hiding?? I made a special post for you, and I guess I hit a button or somethin, bkuz it disappeared. Oh you can say it wasn't about football, or it wasn't worth responding to, but I was just responding in the same way you did for me, so why was it erased??hhmmmmmm Well that's pretty easy, bkuz I showed you why your argument was as trashy as your PRE-judgemental comments, that must of hurt, after you had thought you had shut my comments on great up & coming player, who is overrated, but I explained it for you very nicely and in depth, and you erased it, aawwwwwww, did I embarrass you on your own MB?? Don't be sad, everything is gonna be allright. Look, we all make mistakes, and like I told you before, just bkuz you are one of the big boys in here, and have over 2,000 posts, doesn't mean you can jump to conclusions, and be wrong once in a while. I guess you erased it bkuz you both didn't want to have been caught being wrong, and you also probably were sick of banging your head against a wall with me, so you figured "why go out on a bad note, if I erase his post, then I can ignore him from now on, and I'll keep my reputation, and I'll feel better about myself. Just sit there like Stuart on SNL, and talk into the mirror, bkuz people like you, bkuz you like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 The earth would move and the heavens would part just moments before anything you say, No Brains, would impact me in any way. Hell, you can't even keep your own opinion as given by others straight. How are you buggin me precisely? I'm sure you are headed on yet another spasm of self-love, so knock yourself out. Perhaps one of your personalities can convince the other that someone can be a great player and yet overrated at the same time. It's worth a shot. But, somehow I suspect you'd lose a conversation even with yourself. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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