Fergasun Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 When I saw this on the local news last night I was livid and disgusted. I know it is speculation, but there is no doubt in mind these "gang members" were here illegally. I would like to know why the **** we put up with people like this in our country. The fact is, things like this get ignored when immigration reform is discussed. San Francisco Gate.com: Gang Members Charged in Rape, Watched by Mother of One (03-14) 00:14 PST Santa Ana, Calif. (AP) -- Authorities called it one of the worst rape cases they could recall. Seven gang members and three female associates were charged Monday with raping a woman as the mother of one suspect allegedly watched and encouraged the assault, authorities said. The 23-year-old victim was targeted because her boyfriend had angered members of the Anaheim gang, authorities said. She was lured into a hotel room by a female gang associate at a Feb. 23 party then sexually assaulted over a seven-hour period, Anaheim police Chief John Welter said. He called it "one of the worst rapes I've seen in my 35 years experience." Authorities identified the 38-year-old "gang mother" as Connie Herrera Retana and her son as 18-year-old Martin Carlos Delgado. Police said the victim was lured into the room and beaten by 23-year-old Jolean Disbrow. "It makes you shake your head that mothers could be participating," said Orange County Assistant District Attorney Susan Kang Schroeder. "It shows how a group mentality can breed disgusting behavior." Four suspects were arrested in Garden Grove driving the victim's car. The gang members told the victim the assault was to teach her boyfriend a lesson and that she would be killed if she reported the crime, Schroeder said. Authorities declined to say what the victim's boyfriend had done. Along with Retana, Delgado and Disbrow, those arrested were identified as Jesse Bess, 23; Randy Calderon, 18; Keizzy Fierro, 22; Adrian Flores, 18; Raymond Jaramillo, 19; Luis Nava, 19; and Gilbert Ortiz, 15. One suspect, identified as 19-year-old Oscar Jose "Sporty" Barajas, remained at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Nice job on highlighting the names so you could point out that they were hispanic. :applause: On that note this is a disgusting story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandaceM23 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I think that you're speculating as to whether the "gang members" were here illegally .... There's no mention of that at all in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70th Week Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 i think i would throw the justice system out the window on this one. (loading the shotgun right now..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 That is disgusting. Illegal or not, they should all be exported as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely mind blowing. The mother should be shot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Sometimes I just don't get people. Whether or not the people were here illegally - and this article makes no mention of that, or oddly, the name of the gang - this is a disgusting act of mankind. I hope they all get many years of love in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 i think i would throw the justice system out the window on this one.(loading the shotgun right now..) This is exactly the reason we have that very justice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Nice job on highlighting the names so you could point out that they were hispanic. :applause:On that note this is a disgusting story. Are "Disbrow" and "Bess" Hispanic names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 To assuage those who think I'm not being fair. There was another gang rape that occurred in Orange County recently and the trial just got over. My blood boiled at the recent one becase the mom was cheering the gang members on. The number if illegal immigrants in LA County Jails is 25%. UK Times: Sheriff's Son is Guilty of Gang Rape he Recorded on Video THE son of a former assistant sheriff in wealthy Orange County, California, is to be sentenced today to as many as 12 years in prison for leading the sexual assault of a teenage girl on a pool table — a crime that was captured on a 21-minute videotape. Gregory Haidl and his two friends were 17 at the time of the crime, during which a 16-year-old restaurant hostess was abused with a pool cue, a cigarette and a bottle of Snapple. During the lurid trial the teenagers claimed that their victim was an aspiring porn star who had agreed to an orgy and was faking unconsciousness. It was Mr Haidl himself who recorded the assault on his Sony Handycam. The July 2002 assault was all the more controversial because it took place in the garage of the home of Mr Haidl’s father, Don, who was then the Orange County assistant sheriff. He had gone into politics after making a multimillion-dollar fortune from car auctions. The first trial of the case resulted in a deadlocked jury, whose members said that they found the evidence ambiguous. The defence had put up as a witness a neurologist who minutely analysed the tape and said that the girl’s movements showed that she was alert. At a second trial, the jury convicted the three men of sexual penetration but not rape.John Barnett, who represented Kyle Nachreiner, one of the defendants, said that no one had won from the case. The third defendant was Keith Spann. Mr Nachreiner faces up to ten years in jail; Mr Spann could get six years. The case began when an 18-year-old woman, Lindsay Picou, found the videotape of the incident at a rented beach house. She was so disturbed that she hid the tape in a towel, put it in her car, and later gave it to a police officer. Ms Picou was regarded locally as a pariah as a result, eventually having to move away from the area. After watching the videotape, she had feared that the unconscious woman was dead. Her mother told The Los Angeles Times: “My daughter was raised in a Christian home and did what she’s supposed to do, and for that, no deed goes unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Somebody rape any of my family members it will be on. Forget a gun um beatin up whoever dose it. With that being said, the moms was watching and cheering, that is just sick. They will get what they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 To assuage those who think I'm not being fair. There was another gang rape that occurred in Orange County recently and the trial just got over. My blood boiled at the recent one becase the mom was cheering the gang members on.The number if illegal immigrants in LA County Jails is 25%. UK Times: Sheriff's Son is Guilty of Gang Rape he Recorded on Video but none of the rapists in Orange County were immigrants? :whoknows: I don't see how immigration status matters here. It is a disgusting act no matter who did it. If they are US citizens, they should be tried and sentenced according to the law. If they are legal permanent residents, legal immigrants, or undocumented immigrants, they also deserve a jury trial ... and I would even say that while deportation might be reasonable for a legal immigrant, it would be the wrong thing to do for an undocumented immigrant, because especially if they are part of a gang, they will just come back across the border. This is about crime and punishment; immigration status isn't really relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70th Week Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 This is exactly the reason we have that very justice system. well,all i can say is let it happen to someone i know.i guaranteee they wont be tried,appeal,appeal,appeal,then on death row for 10 years.they'll be eatin' lead from a magnum 44 :security: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 but none of the rapists in Orange County were immigrants? :whoknows: I don't see how immigration status matters here. It is a disgusting act no matter who did it. If they are US citizens, they should be tried and sentenced according to the law. If they are legal permanent residents, legal immigrants, or undocumented immigrants, they also deserve a jury trial ... and I would even say that while deportation might be reasonable for a legal immigrant, it would be the wrong thing to do for an undocumented immigrant, because especially if they are part of a gang, they will just come back across the border. This is about crime and punishment; immigration status isn't really relevant. You are right, no matter what race you are if you do something like this it's disgusting and they should be punished to fullest extent of the law. However, this case was members of a gang doing this to get back at someone, not for sexual gratification. MS13 are the new Bloods/Cript's and the majority of them are here illegally. The link below is from a WT article about the MS 13 gang. Granted no where in this article does it say this was MS 13 related but a lot of the members of such gangs are here illegally and are recruited into such gangs because they are given a sense of family and security and wouldn't make it here otherwise. Still this is a disgusting act no matter who does or where there from. Of the 1,000 gang members who have been arrested this year, 90 percent have been illegal aliens. http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050802-092828-9675r.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 They should get the maximum sentences in high security prison. and IF they are illegals, should be deported at the end of their sentences.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinclair Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 This is exactly the reason we have that very justice system. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Are "Disbrow" and "Bess" Hispanic names? Nice try. Are Retana, Delgado, Calderon, Fierro, Flores, Jaramillo, Nava, Ortiz, and Barajas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Actually, they could all be Filipino last names. Are they hispanic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The real question is why would you point out their names. Not only that why would you BOLD them? Who cares. This story is disgusting no matter who does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The real question is why would you point out their names. Not only that why would you BOLD them? Who cares. This story is disgusting no matter who does it. Because all hispanics are illegal aliens. Sheesh, I thought that was common knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 I wanted to point out that "crime" and "money spent on immigrants in the justice system" is *rarely* considered as part of the cost of immigration. I thought I made it clear in the opening paragraph? I moved from Northern Virginia to Charlottesville for 4 years, then out here to Southern California, and the problem is 10x worse than anyone on the East Coast can imagine, which is why I'm not surprised by the responses. From watching the local news I would say that 75% of the "crime" stories that lead the newscast involve people with Hispanic surnames. Sure, I'm making a generalization but there is some reality to my perception. My posting of this article was part outrage of the crime, and part outrage that crimes by immigrants are largely ignored in any nation-wide discussion. I respect that the parents want a better life for their family, but it seems that a lot of these kids have problems assimilating into America, even if they are soil-born citizens and then turn to gangs which in turn commit crimes like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I wanted to point out that "crime" and "money spent on immigrants in the justice system" is *rarely* considered as part of the cost of immigration. I thought I made it clear in the opening paragraph? I moved from Northern Virginia to Charlottesville for 4 years, then out here to Southern California, and the problem is 10x worse than anyone on the East Coast can imagine, which is why I'm not surprised by the responses. From watching the local news I would say that 75% of the "crime" stories that lead the newscast involve people with Hispanic surnames. Sure, I'm making a generalization but there is some reality to my perception. My posting of this article was part outrage of the crime, and part outrage that crimes by immigrants are largely ignored in any nation-wide discussion. I respect that the parents want a better life for their family, but it seems that a lot of these kids have problems assimilating into America, even if they are soil-born citizens and then turn to gangs which in turn commit crimes like this. My wife has a "hispanic sounding" maiden name. And she is Filipino. Goes to show you can't judge a person's nationality or heritage based on surnames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 It's a fair point. The picture of the mother doesn't lead me to believe she is Filipino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I wanted to point out that "crime" and "money spent on immigrants in the justice system" is *rarely* considered as part of the cost of immigration. I thought I made it clear in the opening paragraph? I moved from Northern Virginia to Charlottesville for 4 years, then out here to Southern California, and the problem is 10x worse than anyone on the East Coast can imagine, which is why I'm not surprised by the responses. From watching the local news I would say that 75% of the "crime" stories that lead the newscast involve people with Hispanic surnames. Sure, I'm making a generalization but there is some reality to my perception. My posting of this article was part outrage of the crime, and part outrage that crimes by immigrants are largely ignored in any nation-wide discussion. I respect that the parents want a better life for their family, but it seems that a lot of these kids have problems assimilating into America, even if they are soil-born citizens and then turn to gangs which in turn commit crimes like this. It's not the fact that their immigrants. It's the fact that their poor. A large percentage of the crime news in the DC area comes from Southeast, and both the victims and perpetrators are disproportionately black. In lower Manhattan, the criminals are disproportionately Asian. Don't look at last names and don't look at the color of peoples' skin - just realize that across all races and nationalities, crime follows poverty. Also, 75% isn't really a huge number. In the 2000 Census, LA County was 45% Hispanic, and it is probably more than 50% Hispanic now - a vast majority of them legal immigrants. When Hispanics account for a majority of the people, they're going to account for a majority of the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdowwe Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Wow, couldnt believe it when I read the thread title. Sick ****s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The number if illegal immigrants in LA County Jails is 25%. Assuming you're correct (and no, that's not some circuitous way of saying I don't believe you. I do.), dumb question: Anybody got a problem with a law creating a death penalty for "committing a felony while in the country illegally"? (OK, maybe I'd exempt people who entered the country legally, and overstayed their visa by a year or less.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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