MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 We all know that Vinny and company aren't going to find any real players in the later rounds of the draft. So... let's package up those remaining picks, which I believe are a 5th, two 6th, and a 7th, and try to get something in return. Is there a player out there we could grab -- special teamer, anything really -- for that package of picks? I regard those picks, in Vinny's hands, as totally worthless. Anyone got any ideas? How 'bout some OL depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paredskinsfan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 hmmm draft a rookie out of college or grab a proven nfl player let me think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paredskinsfan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 my question is will we still have a draft day party once we trade all our picks away? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorPickSix Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 our draft day party would be celebrating whatever player we got with that pick haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 This IS our draft day party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM A REDSKIN FAN Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 cut that meat! cut that meat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 We can't find a special teamer or depth in the later rounds? Rock, Nemo, Robert Royal come to mind in the Snyder era.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englitdaudelin Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Well... Chris Cooley was a third rounder. Dockery was a 5th rounder, I think. Joe Sala'vea was undrafted, I believe. Lemar Marshall was a late draft pick, as was Antonio Pierce. I wouldn't be so quick to throw draft picks away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jservs7 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Uh... Get OLs? I just say we use the rest of our picks and get OL help. They might not be ready to be Hogs, but I wouldnt mind having some promising Piglets in the farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 We can't find a special teamer or depth in the later rounds?Rock, Nemo, Robert Royal come to mind in the Spurrier era.... Spurrier had a whole era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratbert_rizzo Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Well... Chris Cooley was a third rounder. Dockery was a 5th rounder, I think. Joe Sala'vea was undrafted, I believe. Lemar Marshall was a late draft pick, as was Antonio Pierce. I wouldn't be so quick to throw draft picks away... Only Cooley is correct there. Dockery was a 3rd, Sala'vea started somewhere else, Pierce and Marshall were undrafted for sure but Marshall tried some other teams first. But chances are we will get another Jared Newberry or some such nonsense like that, but hey we are bound to get lucky sometime. Maybe we can draft a punter in the 7th round and watch him go to the Pro Bowl!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Well... Chris Cooley was a third rounder. Dockery was a 5th rounder, I think. Joe Sala'vea was undrafted, I believe. Lemar Marshall was a late draft pick, as was Antonio Pierce. I wouldn't be so quick to throw draft picks away... Dockery was a 3rd. Joe was a free agent signing. Come on, come up with some 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders... the Skins have found a couple, but their yield is pretty pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratbert_rizzo Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Mark Wilson, Jared Newberry, the infamous Cliff Russell. Anyway every team is entitled to have many busts in the lower rounds but we don't hardly ever come up with even a decent starter. We have much better luck with undrafted players than 6th or 7th rounders which I just can't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dockery was a 3rd. Joe was a free agent signing. Come on, come up with some 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders... the Skins have found a couple, but their yield is pretty pathetic. Development of late round picks usually requires stability in the coaching staff and also a staff that believes it can develop late round guys. I'd trade my day two picks if I believe I can get better value out of the guys I trade for but your argument is NOT supported by evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazhog Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I think the plan is this... Sign Dockery OG "RFA" Sign Jimoh CB "RFA" Sign Clemons OLB "RFA" Keep Evans DE "UFA" Free Agents to add: Abraham DE/OLB acquire or draft CB acquire or draft OT acquire or draft OG/C Looking over the depth chart, that's how I see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Mark Wilson, Jared Newberry, the infamous Cliff Russell. Anyway every team is entitled to have many busts in the lower rounds but we don't hardly ever come up with even a decent starter. We have much better luck with undrafted players than 6th or 7th rounders which I just can't understand. Wilson made the squad so he was at least the 9th best lineman available to us. Lower round guys are only busts if they never make it to TC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Development of late round picks usually requires stability in the coaching staff and also a staff that believes it can develop late round guys. I'd trade my day two picks if I believe I can get better value out of the guys I trade for but your argument is NOT supported by evidence. Oh really? Not supported by evidence? Well, let's review -- here are all of the Skins draft picks, rounds 5-7, since this front office got here. You can take out the Schotty year if you feel so inclined: 2005 McCune, Newberry, Nemo 2004 Wilson, Molinaro 2003 Hamdan 2002 Royal, Coleman, Grau, Scott, Cartwright 2001 McCants, Monds 2000 Sanders, Husak, Cowsette, Howell 1999 Smith, Hall, Alexander Hmmmm... 20 draft picks. A couple of benchwarmers at best. There isn't one single starter in there. So there you have it: the evidence tells us that the FO isn't very freakin' likely to find a starter in those rounds. If you're telling me you'd rather have this year's four picks (5th, 2 6th, and 7th) than a significant contributor, then I'd say you're betting against the odds, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englitdaudelin Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dockery was a 3rd. Joe was a free agent signing. Come on, come up with some 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders... the Skins have found a couple, but their yield is pretty pathetic. Salave'a: 4th rd (107th overall) Mike Sellers : Undrafted FA Casey Rabach : 3rd Rd. (Ravens) David Patten: UFA Lemar Marshall: UFA (tampa bay) Phillip Daniels 4th Rd (Seattle) Rock Cartwright: 6th Rd. The now retired Ray Brown: 8th round selection Both Clemons guys: UFAs. (All from Redskins.com) Now we didn't develop them all-- but the truth is, they're all competent-- even GOOD players, who came out of the late rounds. We've benefitted from the work of others-- but good players are down in the lower rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotomacSkinsFan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I think the plan is this...Sign Dockery OG "RFA" Sign Jimoh CB "RFA" Sign Clemons OLB "RFA" Keep Evans DE "UFA" Free Agents to add: Abraham DE/OLB acquire or draft CB acquire or draft OT acquire or draft OG/C Looking over the depth chart, that's how I see it... thats the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Now we didn't develop them all-- but the truth is, they're all competent-- even GOOD players, who came out of the late rounds. We've benefitted from the work of others-- but good players are down in the lower rounds. OK, so you're telling me that someone else's front office will be drafting for us? Whew! That certainly changes things -- you're absolutely right that other FO's do have a better record of finding diamonds-in-the-rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englitdaudelin Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Oh really? Not supported by evidence? Well, let's review -- here are all of the Skins draft picks, rounds 5-7, since this front office got here. You can take out the Schotty year if you feel so inclined:2005 McCune, Newberry, Nemo 2004 Wilson, Molinaro 2003 Hamdan 2002 Royal, Coleman, Grau, Scott, Cartwright 2001 McCants, Monds 2000 Sanders, Husak, Cowsette, Howell 1999 Smith, Hall, Alexander Hmmmm... 20 draft picks. A couple of benchwarmers at best. There isn't one single starter in there. So there you have it: the evidence tells us that the FO isn't very freakin' likely to find a starter in those rounds. If you're telling me you'd rather have this year's four picks (5th, 2 6th, and 7th) than a significant contributor, then I'd say you're betting against the odds, my friend. Sure, we'd like the contributor. But a team STILL needs reasonable depth. Darnerien was good for a season or two, and a 6-touchdown scorer just a few seasons ago. What happens when the starter you traded two picks for goes down? You better have cheap, serviceable depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Oh really? Not supported by evidence? Well, let's review -- here are all of the Skins draft picks, rounds 5-7, since this front office got here. You can take out the Schotty year if you feel so inclined:2005 McCune, Newberry, Nemo 2004 Wilson, Molinaro 2003 Hamdan 2002 Royal, Coleman, Grau, Scott, Cartwright 2001 McCants, Monds 2000 Sanders, Husak, Cowsette, Howell 1999 Smith, Hall, Alexander Hmmmm... 20 draft picks. A couple of benchwarmers at best. There isn't one single starter in there. So there you have it: the evidence tells us that the FO isn't very freakin' likely to find a starter in those rounds. If you're telling me you'd rather have this year's four picks (5th, 2 6th, and 7th) than a significant contributor, then I'd say you're betting against the odds, my friend. So, in fact, the evidence shows we have had an EXCELLENT day two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 So, in fact, the evidence shows we have had an EXCELLENT day two. I'm dying to know how you saw that list of "talent" and concluded that the Skins are great day-two drafters. I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that you should PUT DOWN THE PIPE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shallyshal Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 We all know that Vinny and company aren't going to find any real players in the later rounds of the draft. So... let's package up those remaining picks, which I believe are a 5th, two 6th, and a 7th, and try to get something in return.Is there a player out there we could grab -- special teamer, anything really -- for that package of picks? I regard those picks, in Vinny's hands, as totally worthless. Anyone got any ideas? How 'bout some OL depth? we could get depth without losing a pick.. hallen, fonuti,mitchell, pearson some others are still out there and will be cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Oh really? Not supported by evidence? Well, let's review -- here are all of the Skins draft picks, rounds 5-7, since this front office got here. You can take out the Schotty year if you feel so inclined:2005 McCune, Newberry, Nemo 2004 Wilson, Molinaro 2003 Hamdan 2002 Royal, Coleman, Grau, Scott, Cartwright 2001 McCants, Monds 2000 Sanders, Husak, Cowsette, Howell 1999 Smith, Hall, Alexander Hmmmm... 20 draft picks. A couple of benchwarmers at best. There isn't one single starter in there. So there you have it: the evidence tells us that the FO isn't very freakin' likely to find a starter in those rounds. If you're telling me you'd rather have this year's four picks (5th, 2 6th, and 7th) than a significant contributor, then I'd say you're betting against the odds, my friend. You said trade them for a "special teamer, anything really." This team is gonna have to find value somewhere . And you forgot about Andre Lott. Spurrier had a whole era? my fault, meant Snyder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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