skinsarethebest Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I don't think another thread like this has been posted. Just wanted to put up a thread where those who either follow or root for the Steelers could add their :2cents: on what we could expect from Antwaan I had a question too: Do you guys also refer to Randle El as A.R.E., as it seems like a lot of people on THIS board are doing, or did we just coin a new nickname for our new playmaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I think ARE is a stupid nickname, abbreviation, whatever, but people seem to be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrahim Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I think ARE is a stupid nickname, abbreviation, whatever, but people seem to be doing it. exactly, why not just type Randle El? It ain't that long poeple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 But abbreviations are cool! :geek::paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbng Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 You asked for it, you got it. I guess God told ARE to take the cash. As for what you can expect from ARE, 35 catches a year, so lets see, 31 mil, for six years, that's(hey, I am a government worker, I got all day to figgure this out)about 150,000 per catch.......nice deal danny boy. you can also expect 1-2 touchdowns per year, that is his average. Does Saunders have any trick plays up his sleve? He might want to draw some up in the Sterling dirt. Now, on punt returns, for every big one that he breaks, he will have 2 that he will lose yardage because he likes to dance and 'make things happen'. Don't get me wrong, I really liked ARE and a Steeler, but face it, the skins way way overpaid for him. The Steelers were going to offer him what would have been 2.8mil a year, but never put it on the table after Chacago offered 3 .2 mil a year. Danny bounces that to almost double, you try to tell me he ain't over paid. Couple that with the signing of Brandon LLoyd, a good deal, that puts ARE as the #3 WR. I guess that every man has his price, because Chicago's deal was for him to be the #2 guy. Good luck with him, sometimes he can wow you, and sometimes he can really piss you off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerSkins Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hey all: Thought I'd chime in here . . . lifelong diehard Steeler fan with nothing but love and respect for Gibbs and the 'Skins . . . First off, I've never heard the A.R.E thing . . . must just be something begun here or somewhere else. As far as Antwann goes , I have to admit I'm sad to see him go . . . he's never been someone who the team or the fans ever looked at as purely a wideout . . . he was always a guy who was just a ball player . . . he's amazingly quick in space (much like Moss), and has a ton of skills outside of catching the ball . . . he'll be a dependable punt return man and you can deploy him all over the field . . . That said, he will chirp a little bit if he's feeling unloved (He hated being the "slot guy behind Plaxico Burress and Hines Ward), wants the ball, and he needs to have ceratin formations and plays suited for his talents . . . he's not good enough to just line up in a 2-reciever set and expect to come down with the ball . . . he needs insulation and he needs to be involved in the flow of the game in more ways than one . . . Bill Cowher and Co. knew what they had in him, so they integrated him into the system and made it work . . . teams that were bidding for him have to thnk the same way . . . $11.5 million up front is a lot of money for a guy who really does a bunch of things pretty well but not a single thing excellently . . . I admit, I'm sad to se ehim go, but more so b/c he's been a Steeler since he was a rookie and he's been part of a lot of good memories, including 3 AFC title games and a Super Bowl victory . . . Everyone knew he was going to get overpaid in a weak WR market . . . I just hope that the 'Skin use him the right wy . . . if they don't, I'm afraid you won't get your money's worth. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I love how people just look at stats instead of the teams they are in. It is like no one realizes that Randle El was on a like 80-90% pound the ball down their throats team. :doh: Hello! You have to take that into account... No one pays attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPstretch Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I love how people just look at stats instead of the teams they are in. It is like no one realizes that Randle El was on a like 80-90% pound the ball down their throats team. :doh: Hello! You have to take that into account... No one pays attention... excellent point...those WRs in pittsburgh are excellent run blockers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 exactly, why not just type Randle El? It ain't that long poeple. This is DC, acronym city baby Length isn't the problem, its spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I love how people just look at stats instead of the teams they are in. It is like no one realizes that Randle El was on a like 80-90% pound the ball down their throats team. :doh: Hello! You have to take that into account... No one pays attention... Oh, most of us pay attention. Its simply the ignorant minority that feels the need to post as if the sky is falling. The Steelers had fewer passing attempts/game than any team in the league last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 You asked for it, you got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbng Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I love how people just look at stats instead of the teams they are in. It is like no one realizes that Randle El was on a like 80-90% pound the ball down their throats team. :doh: Hello! You have to take that into account... No one pays attention... You really didn't with that statement. The Steelers final run pass ratio for last year was 59-41. Well balanced. And if you watched the playoffs at all, you saw the Steelers come out throwing in the first half, 50-50, and then pound the ball in the second half after they had built a lead. 'Turtling' as we Steelers fans lovingly refer to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbng Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 and no sour grapes from me, I would love to have seen him re-sign with the Steelers, but not at that price.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Well, as a Redskins' fan living in Pittsburgh, I can tell you that Steeler fans love Randle El. When Plaxico was here, a lot of fans thought Randle El should be getting more touches than Plax, because it seemed for every great play Plax would have he would drop a few balls. While Randle El could be counted on to catch the ball. The Steeler fans were hoping he would resign with them, but they don't seem to broken up about it. Now if it were Hines Ward, they would be devastated. As a Redskin fan, I like the pickup. I think he is a Blue Collar player who works hard on every down. I'm not so sure I'm excited he might the #2 guy, but I like him on 3 WR Sets and PR /KR duty. Just some observations here from the Steel City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMetal Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Steeler Fans: ARE was brought in as our #2 WR. This was explicitly discussed in the contract negotiations, and confirmed in the Washington Post article this morning. Just wanted to clear it up that he is not going to be our #3, as some have speculated. And 35 catches in the Steelers' offense is going to be roughly equal to about 60-70 in Saunders' offense, which is perfectly adequate for a #2. You can claim we're overpaying, but you can't predict how well he will fit for us and his ultimate value to our team. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 You really didn't with that statement.The Steelers final run pass ratio for last year was 59-41. Well balanced. And if you watched the playoffs at all, you saw the Steelers come out throwing in the first half, 50-50, and then pound the ball in the second half after they had built a lead. 'Turtling' as we Steelers fans lovingly refer to it. You can type a ratio and call it well balanced, but it would be disingenuous. The Steelers had fewer passing attempts per game than any team in the league, and more rushing attempts per game than any team in the league. That's the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbng Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Just wanted to clear it up that he is not going to be our #3, as some have speculated. Then that means that LLoyd is going to be the #3 WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 There is always a reason the guy is a FA. Any time you sign a FA, you're making a bet that he can provide you more value than he provides his current club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 You really didn't with that statement.The Steelers final run pass ratio for last year was 59-41. Well balanced. And if you watched the playoffs at all, you saw the Steelers come out throwing in the first half, 50-50, and then pound the ball in the second half after they had built a lead. 'Turtling' as we Steelers fans lovingly refer to it. You can type a ratio and call it well balanced, but it would be disingenuous. The Steelers had fewer passing attempts per game than any team in the league, and more rushing attempts per game than any team in the league. That's the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRoane Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 With a cursory look I might be inclined to believe the Steeler faithful. That we over-paid. But after we struck gold with Moss last year I'm not so sure. The day of the big, physical receiver is fading. Not that there won't be a need for them as a possession type guy, but I believe the little quick guys (with the no-contact rules) will continue to put up the big numbers. Moss commands a double team. Lloyd or Randle El could both beat anyone's #2 corners. Then you gotta worry about Cpt Chaos dragging across the middle. These signings seem to fit Saunders style as well. He's big on speed and precision routes. My only concern is building some depth on the O-line. That's the thing that has me a little worried. When we lost RT last year to a broken leg (thanks Betts!...idiot) the offense went with him. Randle El will help us upgrade our Teams significantly. Trust me man. Faced with a choice of having R-El whiff a couple times and lose yards or having Thrash (who will lower his head and get 3 yards) -or- AB who might drop the ball; we'll take your boy. Field position is huge now days. He can change that for us. I think after we gave up so much in that Seahawks game (Returners allowed us to be pinned inside the 15 for 5 straight possessions) that Gibbs decided we need a big-time return man. Even if we have to pay thru the nose to get it. And even if he doesn't get a big return, he'll scare a lot of punters into shanking some bad punts. That's as good as a big return any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Good insight by all here. Appreciated. You really didn't with that statement.The Steelers final run pass ratio for last year was 59-41. Well balanced. And if you watched the playoffs at all, you saw the Steelers come out throwing in the first half, 50-50, and then pound the ball in the second half after they had built a lead. 'Turtling' as we Steelers fans lovingly refer to it. Actually I did take that into account when I looked up at the stats. The Steelers did indeed pass alot more in the playoffs. Hence Randle El's 12 catches in 4 postseason games in comparison to his 35 catches in 16 regular season games. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbng Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 yeah, it is the bottom line, but dig into that bottem line and find out how you got there. The first half of games the Steelers run an pass equal. The second half is when they put away teams by running the ball and the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I love how people just look at stats instead of the teams they are in. It is like no one realizes that Randle El was on a like 80-90% pound the ball down their throats team. :doh: Hello! You have to take that into account... No one pays attention... This has been pounded into the head of all the fantasy football geeks, but to no avail. It's not always about the stats people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 $11.5 million up front is a lot of money for a guy who really does a bunch of things pretty well but not a single thing excellently . . . Best of luck. BINGO! I like the signing but he can't really hang his hat on one thing that makes him worth all that dough. But we'll see, I think we got him as a quick fix and an investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 yeah, it is the bottom line, but dig into that bottem line and find out how you got there. The first half of games the Steelers run an pass equal. The second half is when they put away teams by running the ball and the clock. That's not particularly relevant when evaluating the performance of a receiver. When there are few passing attempts, there are few receptions. I know I'm using wacky advanced calculus to make that derivation ( ), but its the truth. I have a huge whiteboard with the equations to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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