desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 agreed. And It seems to me that the only reason people post a new thread about a common topic(apparently everybody here over the age of 35's biggest pet peeve) is because they find that what they want to say doesn't fit into the discussion of any of the current threads, and furtermore, feel what they have to say is important enough that it shouldn't get buried in another thread where most people will skim over it and go to the next post. They want people to respnd to what they have to say. And when your post is mixed in with 200 other posts, and it doesn't exactly fit that thread, it gets ignored. So if you want people to stop posting random threads that you feel you are too good yto have to read, then reply to more posters posts in discussions. Its like the people on this board are not actually listening to each other, but reather just waiting for their turn to talk, like a bad conversationalist. I would opine that we spend less time talking about posting and just post. When somebody's being an idiot, you ignore them, just like in real life. You don't need to make up rules to curb the idiots. That's like putting speed bumps in your neighborhood. Sure, the kids(idiots, and the people who can't ignore them) may be a little bit safer, but every time you drive down your street, the speed bumps annoy the crap out of you, and they mess with your car's handling. Well said sir.....Wow that was a good post. Props to Gothamus also for good posts ...I know you guys disagree with the original Idea...but disagreements as good as your posts beg the question....What do you think could be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 What we want to return the Stadium to is a place where everyone posts valuable contributionsm, the Moderator/Administrators and you (as all of the ES members) expect people to contribute when they have something to add that actually adds to the discussion/debate/etc. ... Again, ES is not a place for each member to say as much about anything and everything they want. It's for people to engage in intelligent discussion that relevant and as Art says above, topical and not redundant.... Ultimately, we are asking members to do the same thing on a certain level and to adopt the "think first, post second" mindset so that what they do add makes the forum better. Response: Paragraph 1,2, ... It is this line of thinking that helps to perpuate the war....One mans Mona Lisa is another mans Medusa...that being the case you are really talking about Judgeing Quality of posts....I have no problem with the Mods doing that....the Toadies doing it is a problem...here at extreamskins the Mods seem to be fair minded and just individuals who sit on high regulating and maintaining the awesomeness of this site...the Toadies are power hungry wannabes who are spoiling the site.... It's sad that the Mods have chosen to back them. By haveing the members "help regulate this site" judge quality, you are feeding the war not reducing it.... ...You see what you really want by asking for uniformity of self policing standards is not possible without either war or segeration...even in my seceniro the members of the locker room would probably not totally agree on quality of posts and standards... It's like socialism....it looks good on paper...but in practice....it doesn't work. In my scenerio I just go ahead and provide for the segeration you want anyway and the freedom that everybody else wants also. It is done in a way that in both situations would help increase the quality of Standards while ending the war. paragraph 3 um...how much thought does it take to post "use the search buttion u idiot!!!!"...? yet by applauding the Toadies who post that u perpuate the kind of thoughtless posts that don't meet your own quality standards... ...or is that post just your Mona Lisa to my Medusa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Yeah we definetly aren't Toadies so better watch yourself there boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 DF, We'll help end the war. We've taken sides. Those we don't think want to abide by it, will simply not be here. And the war will end. It's not all that hard . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Overall I feel that this is one of the best message boards out there, but I would agree 100 % with a locker room, though I would not implement it the way that you suggest. For my locker room everyone initially would be able to post, but the rules would be stricter for both the creation of new threads as well as being more stringent on repetitiveness and personal attacks. Suspensions would then become more frequent in this particular room. I don't think this would lead to 2 types of debate; the Stadium filled with opinions and rants, the Locker Room with intelligent discussion. What I suspect would occur is that the locker room would become a much better learning tool. Documentation and facts backing up arguments would be essential in the locker room. In the stadium the rules would still apply, but for those of us who don't want to do countless digging to come up with a "professional" argument but still know what we are talking about would be free to roam. :2cents: good stuff...not a bad variation...I'm not against highly regulated section either...as long as the war stops and the freedom remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 bad idea, few points1. There are thousands of active members on this site. How long would it take to evaluate and vote on who gets admittance to this forum? 2. There are many members that have been around for years and don't post very often. How would these people be evaluated? What about the newer members with inside information like Dinello or a member like Andyman? 3. Sometimes you need different opinions and POVs; like a more blunt opinion. Perhaps some that aren't well thought out or very football smart. This is one of the problems you guys are talking about, but if all 50k members could analyze every subject as well as Bulldog, it would be rediculous and boring. e.g. Sometimes mixed in with the analysis the discussion needs a, "Clemons made 330pnd Robert Gallery his little *****, start the guy..." or a "Walt was owned by Eric Parker, what good is he..." Not really saying I know the answer, but I don't think segregating us is it. I think reminding everyone that they should treat this board as if they were actually physically speaking to someone would help. Also, if someone brings up a lame/retarded POV, don't just tell him how retarded it is and analyze everything wrong with it, throw in some questions. (discussion!) edit- none of this has to do with dummies that refuse to even read the rules and clutter the board with nonsense threads. Just ban those guys.... I don't know how all the particulars would work out yet ...but if more people said yes I would have done some real thinking on the matter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 DF, You're missing the point--self regulation has always worked here--you might not have realized that given your relatively short amount of time here, but it has worked and it will continue to work notwithstanding your ideas and concerns. And for G-d's sake, learn to use the multi-quote feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I like the fact that your thinking in terms of a solution. Just keep in mind, that just because someone has more posts does not mean they know more about football. Newbies have valid points too. I agree...it's about quality not quantitee.....But who judges the Quality?....the Mods period...not the Toadies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 desertfox59,The vet members here are not Toadies. This is a community that has been self policing since day one. It is a system put inplace by the founders and encouraged to this day. It is a system that has helped to keep the quality of this site higher than that of any other forum I've participated in. They are not mod wannabe brown nosers. What they are, is a group intent on maintaining the quality of the community. In doing so, new members are expected to read the rules and follow them. Because, afterall, WE DID IT! I don't like the idea of a Vet forum. What I like is the idea that new members be expected to follow the rules and be held accountable when they don't. If you want to be inundated with low quality posts, go elsewhere. This really isn't a difficult concept. If you can't make a more thoughtful post then "Player A sucks", or refrain from starting a new thread on a topic that already has 6 threads, then you're not going to be welcome here for long. Thank you for saying that. :applause: :applause: :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 You continue to ignore the point that most of the members you're pointing out for doing it are not vets, thus disproving your entire theory.And that's a great generalization. I have yet to overstep any boundaries when correcting errors and there are countless others that haven't either. Yet you continue to lump everyone into one group. In general...I agree with this. The Toadie reference is a generalization...but nowhere in that definition does it say that a Toadie is a Vet or A newb... It's not about vets, it's not about newbies... It's about people that follow the rules and those that don't. I'm sure the mods wouldn't have a problem just banning everyone for not following rules, but instead they choose to allow the membership to help to fix the problem. Would you rather have it the other way? I think that is fine...on paper....but in practice here's what happens: 1) noob posts 2)Toadie 1 "search" 3)Toadie 2 "Search you idiot" 4) Toadie 3 " I hate Noobs" 5) Toadie 4 "Why can't it be like old times" 6)Toadie 5 "Mods please merge" 7) Toadie 6 "Search.." 8)noob " I did Search" 9) Toadie 4 "then u r an idiot"..... 10).......ect now how is that a practical solution to the "Standards" problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 TOADIE:A Mod Wannabe who gets his name by jumping on anyone who posts something that they don't agree with under the guise of "helping to police the forum" Also know as: Kermit, Frogger, Q-bert See also: Brown noser :hammer: :doh: Boy, you got some big balls. How dare you come in here & insult the veteran members of this Board with that! You've been here all of 3-4 MONTHS & you think you know how things are? Before you, NOOB, this Board wasn't always so cluttered with idiot topics like "Let's segregate the old people into this corner so that we youngin's can run the Board finally!" :doh: That's like walking into another man's house, putting your feet up on his coffee table, slappin' his wife's azz & telling her to fetch him a beer! :finger: :nutkick: :kungfu: I have many more things I would like to say on this matter, but I must hold my tongue or I will get myself into trouble. So, to prevent my inevitable bannishment, I will simply put you on ignore. Have a nice life. :moon: "I fart in general direction." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 DF,We'll help end the war. We've taken sides. Those we don't think want to abide by it, will simply not be here. And the war will end. It's not all that hard . the nuclear option....I hope I'm not in the blast radius..:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 DF,You're missing the point--self regulation has always worked here--you might not have realized that given your relatively short amount of time here, but it has worked and it will continue to work notwithstanding your ideas and concerns. And for G-d's sake, learn to use the multi-quote feature. So it's working now...? it may have worked in the past but this is not working: 1) noob posts 2)Toadie 1 "search" 3)Toadie 2 "Search you idiot" 4) Toadie 3 " I hate Noobs" 5) Toadie 4 "Why can't it be like old times" 6)Toadie 5 "Mods please merge" 7) Toadie 6 "Search.." 8)noob " I did Search" 9) Toadie 4 "then u r an idiot"..... 10).......ect now how is that a practical solution to the "Standards" problem? oh and being a NOOb....how do you work that multiple quote feature again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 So it's working now...? it may have worked in the past but this is not working:1) noob posts 2)Toadie 1 "search" 3)Toadie 2 "Search you idiot" 4) Toadie 3 " I hate Noobs" 5) Toadie 4 "Why can't it be like old times" 6)Toadie 5 "Mods please merge" 7) Toadie 6 "Search.." 8)noob " I did Search" 9) Toadie 4 "then u r an idiot"..... 10).......ect now how is that a practical solution to the "Standards" problem? Now you're mischaracterizing what I originally wrote which was that we need to improve content--as I challenged skinsfan2k on the first page of this thread. So you're missing my point. oh and being a NOOb....how do you work that multiple quote feature again? Click this box in the bottom of each post you want to quote. And then hit button. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfunk76p Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Quantity means :pooh: I come here almost everyday and just read and have been doing so for about 4 years. I post very little so i can keep up with the responses to my posts. But because some guy joined last month and throws in a 1000 dat-a-boys he should recieve some kind of privilege. Are you serious???? :insane: Not to mention most people just joined within the last year when the skins started winning. Your status should be judged by how long one has been around and not how many hell yeahs one throws in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I will simply put you on ignore. Have a nice life. :moon:"I fart in general direction." Finally somebody who gets it...if you dont' like it ignore it... Now you're mischaracterizing what I originally wrote which was that we need to improve content--as I challenged skinsfan2k on the first page of this thread. So you're missing my point. I'm not missing your point....the real world example I quoted is a direct result of the failed policy of Toadie inforcement. On this thread and in another one you have implied that I have insulted the Veteran members.....Well nowhere in the Diffenition of a Toadie is there any mention of Veteran Members...So now who is mischaracterizing who...? I'm sorry I've gotton under your skin....but nothing I did warrents your mischaracterization of me. Oh and thanks for the tip....it'll definatelly come in handy. :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm not missing your point....the real world example I quoted is a direct result of the failed policy of Toadie inforcement. Ok. I'd like you to post a thread where that's a real example of what's happened where the thread isn't closed. What you posted is not an example, it's hyperbole. Please provide a real example. On this thread and in another one you have implied that I have insulted the Veteran members.....Well nowhere in the Diffenition of a Toadie is there any mention of Veteran Members...So now who is mischaracterizing who...? I didn't imply, I said it. And it's what you're doing whether you are trying to do so explicitly or implicitly. And as I said in that other thread, I'm tired of it. Dance in circles all you want. At the end of the day, your idea isn't going to happen--and we will continue to rely on our model. If you want another model, feel free to start your own site where you segregate members in that way. I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor. If, however, you want to stay, then you are going to have to deal with the way we've decided to run things. I understand that you care about this place and you've certainly come a long way from when you posted incredibly redundant threads in four forums within 30 seconds. I appreciate that. You care about the place. Now I hope you'll transfer that caring to realizing how this place is run and accept it. Or you can move on to a place that's run in the way you see fit. It's up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Am I a good guy or bad guy. Becasue that is what this looks like to me. Why dose everything have to turn good VS bad. Why cant we all just talk about the Redskins and try to understand each other. Gees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Am I a good guy or bad guy. Becasue that is what this looks like to me. Why dose everything have to turn good VS bad. Why cant we all just talk about the Redskins and try to understand each other. Gees It's not that at all. It's more of a understanding versus not understanding debate. The forum rules are clearly put in front of every poster. It's their decision to read them or not. We've run the board with self policing since I first came here, that's just the way this place works. It always has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Ok. I'd like you to post a thread where that's a real example of what's happened where the thread isn't closed. What you posted is not an example, it's hyperbole. Please provide a real example. . http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147038 see posts 3,5 and 6. This very thread Posts 2,4, and 10 these are examples of what I’m talking about. I’m sure I could find more but it’s just not worth my time. Especially since you don't even address the content of my posts with anything better than the fatherly "because I said so" response. I know you are on a power trip and I hope it makes you feel good. But when your need to flex your athoritative muscles and my need to attempt to end the war piecefully are at odds it begs the question....is there an ignore button for IheartSkins? I understand that you care about this place and you've certainly come a long way from when you posted incredibly redundant threads in four forums within 30 seconds. . You sir, are a liar....I never started four threads in 30 seconds ever. Go ahead and try to dance around that fact...in fact why don't you produce that evidence........ .....(crickets chirping) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 desertfox ... way over the line. Take some time off to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 desertfox ... way over the line. Take some time off to think about it. his lie about me was way over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Okay, make it a somewhat longer break to think it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 You sir, are a liar....I never started four threads in 30 seconds ever. Go ahead and try to dance around that fact...in fact why don't you produce that evidence........ Well, here's the evidence: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1943319&postcount=1 http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1943345&postcount=4 http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1944632&postcount=1 I did exagerate. It was two threads in six minutes (that I merged) and another one started later that night with the exact same redudant topic. And as you'll note in those threads, I, along with several members, reminded you that this topic has been discussed ad nauseum. So, how am I a liar again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 You sir, are a liar....I never started four threads in 30 seconds ever. Go ahead and try to dance around that fact...in fact why don't you produce that evidence........ [/font] It wasn't 30 seconds... it was 10 minutes March-9th-2006, 12:25 PM http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2285856#post2285856 March-9th-2006, 12:29 PM http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2285878#post2285878 March-9th-2006, 12:32 PM http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2285892#post2285892 March-9th-2006, 12:35 PM http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2285904#post2285904 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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