JimmiJo Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I would opine that we spend less time talking about posting and just post. When somebody's being an idiot, you ignore them, just like in real life. You don't need to make up rules to curb the idiots. That's like putting speed bumps in your neighborhood. Sure, the kids(idiots, and the people who can't ignore them) may be a little bit safer, but every time you drive down your street, the speed bumps annoy the crap out of you, and they mess with your car's handling. Unfortunately, reality has demonstrated otherwise. I see no reason to accomodate flamers. Further, this site is entitled to operate in the manner they best deem fit (much like say, the NFL). There has to be a happy balance, or an unhappy one. And BTW, us over 35 year olds rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I'll make my single high quality post in this thread Guys....its a football messageboard. We've tripled our size in 3 years. I don't care if you're the corner drugstore, or FedEx Field, you experience that kind of growth, you're going to have some growing pains, and you're going to have some stress. It is what it is. You have no idea the time and energy staff has and is expending on coming up to some solutions to some of the concerns. But its a football messageboard. We think its a wonderful one (yep, even now), but its still a football messageboard. We've got some good ideas on how to tweak things that will help. As I said during a few rough stretches during this last Redskins season, have a little faith in our guys and in our coaching staff - when you put quality people in positions to make decisions, they will find the solutions and make you proud. I think (excluding myself) we have a great staff on extremeskins and we will adjust to the monumental growth we've had. Trust us. And remember, this isn't your marriage. You haven't just found out that your high school girlfriend is sleeping with your best bud, or that your marriage is a sham. Its a football messageboard. I care about it too. But lets keep it in perspective Now go out there and make some great posts! Amen. This whole thing, to me at least, is a little ridiculous. And I think a serious dose of perspective is needed. Repetative threads are annoying, etc. New members sometimes don't follow the rules, much to the consternation of some of the vets. But, I will say this: when I joined this site, no one made me feel uncomfortable in the least. Remind people about the rules, by all means. Better yet, remind them in a PM instead of calling them out in front of the entire board. At the same time, have a little faith in the new members and understand that the majority of them, like all of us, will become acclimated to the board and learn the rules through experience. Finally, at the end of the day, this is a fooball messageboard. We all love football--but let's not take ourselves too seriously. It really drags the board down, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richanathai Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 hahahha funny post should be under "solutions that do not work, unless in a communist country" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman330 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 This is Just an Idea to end the war between the Newbies and their quest for freedom and the Toadies and their quest for Quality.I really believe that both sides have valid points and I think that My solution provides concessions to both without changing the overall aspects of this board. I like the fact that your thinking in terms of a solution. Just keep in mind, that just because someone has more posts does not mean they know more about football. Newbies have valid points too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 This is Just an Idea to end the war between the Newbies and their quest for freedom and the Toadies and their quest for Quality.I really believe that both sides have valid points and I think that My solution provides concessions to both without changing the overall aspects of this board. First off these "toadies" I understand you try and help the mods, but do you think it is fair to jump on new posters? I can understand letting someone know where they can read the rules so they understand but to jump on them is not fair no matter what they do. This is what the mods are for, the are the ones that need to regulate the posters. What the mods need from the vets (bufford, code, me, etc..) and the "toadies" is to set a good example on how to post and how this board should be used and enjoyed by all. We are not there to tell others what to do, then you are going to have resentment from a lot of posters which then seperates users into groups when in reality we are all just fans. I think when new posters do step out of line and a mod communicates to them, then they will learn, if not then they will be taking care of. If others try and tell new members what to do then the resentment will grow and this site will not be as fun. I think all of the Mods, Bubba and PCS are doing a great job, don't make their job harder by getting groups against one another. My :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 desertfox59,The vet members here are not Toadies. I never called all the vet members Toadies....just the one's who jump on the newbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 ironic that if you did a search you would have found several threads where this exact solution was mentioned many times Nope. Only one other thread had the word Toadie in it....sorry u r wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Wow, this board is nazi. If you don't search for a topic and post within someone else's discussion you get the shaft. I don't get it. Who says that people with 1000 post counts make good threads? I can point out a ton that suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 It's a bad idea for a very simple reason. This isn't the war of the roses. It's not a battle between vets and newbies. Many newbies are highly quality posters. Many vets aren't exactly perfect -- obvious exception, me. The point is not to essentially let one forum become a rant forum and another forum be designed for intelligent discussion. We want everyone to understand this is an intelligent community. It doesn't require your constant breathlessness every time there's a HINT of news. Post news and tidbits. Put a thoughtful opinion in such threads. Offer a unique, interesting analysis for others to post on. Make it mildly readable. Somewhat topical. Accurate. These are simple, basic community standards that do not require a second forum to achieve. Simply it requires self-control and an understanding that not everything you have to say has to be said. You being the universal you. Even I have slowed down content posting for a spell to watch some things develop because even my excellent brains aren't always needed. If I can hold myself back, others with far more feeble minds can too . I don't know what to tell you if you don't see the reality of the war going on here. ...The reality is, and this is not a negative judgement, but the reality is that there is a clickish element to some of the Vet posters here, and a Newbish element to the newbies (like me) here. My solution provides a way to end the Toadieness, mold the newishness into the standards both u and I want, and rid the forum of the War.... ....like Superman IV.....it's a quest for peace. ...but peace is only happens when the war is over.. This war will never end while the Mods keep giving amunition (in the form of praise) to the Toadies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 lol, so someone like me, who is no less of a skins fan if not more than most would be excluded from ceartain threads???oh yeah.. sounds great. no, you aren’t voted in by post count...what's the point of that.....no the criteria for getting in should be very rigged and based on Quality not quantities. desertfox: do you consider yourself a "Toadie"? yes and no.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 newbies are people too! ".....and that's all I have to say about that...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I don't know what to tell you if you don't see the reality of the war going on here. Wow...it's a messageboard...not the armed forces. If you don't like what's going on, why continue to contribute...find greener pastures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 sorry, iheart, it just seemed though everyone was opposed to the idea. and i basically summed up in my words. The idea of 2 forums, people will make non-sense topics just to join the elite posters, and also this is why this forum is great, it is very organized already and most topics are closed or merged if they are similiar. So because everyone else was opposed to the idea, you felt the need to pile on.. thanks for making my point for me.... now as to your content... the nonsense topics would not fall into the quality portion that the voters would vote in....and just to clarify....the two forums wouldn't be seperate...just the access to post in the locker room would be...do you see the difference that way there wouldn't be any sort of quality issues among it's members. I agree that this forum is polieced by the mods pretty well....its not the Mods I regulation I have a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I completely agree with Art. You see a Toadie would jump on you for "not contributing to this board"....I think it is o.k. that you post your opinion....I see nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I don't know what to tell you if you don't see the reality of the war going on here. ...The reality is, and this is not a negative judgement, but the reality is that there is a clickish element to some of the Vet posters here, and a Newbish element to the newbies (like me) here. My solution provides a way to end the Toadieness, mold the newishness into the standards both u and I want, and rid the forum of the War.... ....like Superman IV.....it's a quest for peace. ...but peace is only happens when the war is over.. This war will never end while the Mods keep giving amunition (in the form of praise) to the Toadies... It's good there's a cliquish quality to veteran posters, but, really, it's NOT vets though. It's people who get it versus people who don't. I see a LOT of newbies who get it. YOU included, despite your toadies reference. And, in the battle of those who get it, versus those who don't, I'm pleased those who do are starting to take the community back. And, as mods, we will back them in their efforts, so, those who don't, can settle down, pick it up, or, well, find somewhere else. ES isn't for everyone. That's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I agree that this forum is polieced by the mods pretty well....its not the Mods I regulation I have a problem with. Then you have a fundamental misunderstanding about this community. ES relies on its members to police each other. For clarity, I'm speaking to the thread starter.This is a community run board, NOT a moderator run board. Do not assume we are going to do the work we've always asked the community to do, else we'd need 50 mods. We run a streamlined staff because we've always been able to rely on the community for assistance and guidance. And, we're appalled at the new attitude here that the community has no right to guide you as only mods do. Wrong. If you're hearing something repeatedly from this community, it's because it is something you should pay attention to. It's MORE important than what ANY mod can say. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2285456&postcount=9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I think a lot depends on how the team gets to 7-9. Does a lack of a CBA extension cause limited depth this year, while injuries mount, sapping our ability to immediately compete, which wouldn't exactly be a problem of coaching as much as circumstance.Will Gregg Williams blindly continue blitzing a team prepared for an all out attack, or, will he blindly stay back in a two-deep shell against a team spreading the field with five receivers, allowing games to be lost by an unwilligness to adjust the scheme and plan to fit the circumstances? This was COMMON under Mike Nolan and Norv Turner who would develop a game plan and run it, period, with NO flexibility. We would play read and react even against teams doing exactly what we were allowing them to do and showing no effort to stop that and make them do something else. You know when coaching is causing you games just as you know when it's winning you games. Remember the 1991 playoffs against the Lions? They were killing us all the first half with slants. I told my father, a Lions fan, they wouldn't get any of that in the second half. I knew that because I knew that staff. I knew the staff adjusted and took away things and forced teams to adjust to us. That's what we have again. And as long as this staff continues to adjust to the situation presented instead of forcing round holes into square pegs as most of our previous coaches have done for so long, it will likely be a situation we're happy with for a long time. Listen up people....Not only is this an excellent discription of our coaching staff...but it is a description of the kind of coaches it takes to be successful at all levels regardless of sport. Great....I mean GREAT post Art....(DF wips brown off nose) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffSchmeff Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I think restricting one's ability to create a new thread early on is a good thing. The biggest problem I see is when any news of note comes out and you have 10 new threads because everyone wants to get the "scoop". Thats my :2cents:, but I'm just a lurker mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I agree that this forum is polieced by the mods pretty well....its not the Mods I regulation I have a problem with. You continue to ignore the point that most of the members you're pointing out for doing it are not vets, thus disproving your entire theory. And that's a great generalization. I have yet to overstep any boundaries when correcting errors and there are countless others that haven't either. Yet you continue to lump everyone into one group. It's not about vets, it's not about newbies... It's about people that follow the rules and those that don't. I'm sure the mods wouldn't have a problem just banning everyone for not following rules, but instead they choose to allow the membership to help to fix the problem. Would you rather have it the other way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 The problem of exceptionally high amounts of similar posts, which the original poster was referring to before the thread was somewhat hijacked, is not an opinion issue so much as it is an issue about adapting the community to new challenges.Stevenaa and several others have mentioned their opinion that this is the way the board has always worked and it should not be changed. I would have to disagree. I think the board could continue to "work" that way, but that's no reason to look into making it work better for all involved. Things are changing with all of the new members and it's only going to get worse. Things will never be like they used to be in the grand ond days. We need to look for ways to update the community and make it better for all involved. So lets talk about it....I noticed that you didn't vote. That's o.k. but since you have given a well thought post I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions of how to deal with the changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Very valid points. I actually thought the same thing myself and let it veer off course. Apologies to the thread starter. No apologies necessary...I enjoyed all of the sidetracked posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 The day this board becomes segregated is the day I'd never return. Having seperate forums for users based on what other people think about them is discrimination at it's worst. you make a good point....that is a flaw in the system....but like all compromises you'll have that. Do the gains outweight the negativites? do you have any suggestions to solve the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I think the vets get understandably frustrated by the ridiculous posts.... And that frustration is fair and not un warrented......the question remains is: Does that justify their Jumping on the Newbs?....In some instances yes...in others no...it's when the No's outweigh the Yes's that we can that person a Toadie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 :laugh: lol, see, this post is a good example of how one can not really add to the discussion but still make a valuable post. One of the things I love the most about this site is the off-color comical remarks that are always showing up. Totally and wholeheartedly agree.:applause::applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox59 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 The issue really is the AMOUNT of posts on the SAME topic. Perhpas the mods should enforce probabationary measures for users who start 3 or more threads that have already been started. It is very easy to use the Search Functionality and if a particular user is unable to follow these very simple rules...they either get put on probabation or get the boot. One thread to rule them all...One thread to find them...One thread to bring them all...and in the darkenss bind them. ONE thread on ONE topic...whether knowledgeable or not...whether ranting...whether raving...whether complaining...whether whatever. It makes for an interesting and unique experience. While I disagree with this ....I applaude your effort at suggesting a solution. :applause::applause::logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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