bubba9497 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20060308-122915-5891r.htm click link for full article Snyder, Redskins just doing business By Tom Knott March 8, 2006 Dan Snyder has an obligation to maximize the profit-margin line of the Washington Redskins. That is what those in business do. They are forever taking the pulse of the marketplace and determining where they can wrest further profits from the operation. The trick is to forge a balance between cost and demand, which Snyder has managed well in his stewardship of the Redskins. He undoubtedly overreached in the personnel end of the team in his first few years, but he has turned the Redskins into one of the most valuable franchises in all of sports. The latest ticket hike of the Redskins is hardly surprising after the team made the playoffs last season. Teams, like other businesses, raise prices to remain competitive. If not, they suffer the consequences. Price hikes are inevitable in professional sports. What seems outrageous today will appear to be a bargain in the years ahead. Those expressing displeasure with the latest profit-making move of the Redskins are missing a fundamental point of the fan/team relationship. They do not have to buy what this business is peddling, not unless they are being ordered to renew their season tickets at gunpoint. If they genuinely believe the product is not worth the increase, they have a fairly persuasive recourse. They do not have to make the journey to the bowl by the Beltway eight times in the fall. They can stay home and watch the game on television. Or they can adopt a new entertainment diversion. That is all any game is, a momentary diversion. At the end of the game, win or lose, you still have the same bills, the same responsibilities and the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 That is all any game is, a momentary diversion. At the end of the game, win or lose, you still have the same bills, the same responsibilities and the same problems. seems to me after a win, the responsibilities just aren't as bad as I remembered, and after a loss, it is just that much more problems on the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryBrownsFan Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Also from the article. "That devotion sometimes manifests itself in extreme ways, ... Snyder would be remiss in his business responsibilities not to mine this pathological obsession" Ouch... I resemble that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 So, winning seasons equate to pushing out blue-collar types for the wine-and-cheese crowd? Raising prices to remain competitive? It seems to me that, if you kept prices low, that would lure more people to your business. But, that's just me. Still debating whether I'm going to renew my seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 The Redskins have largely kept general admission costs in line over the years. Raising prices is a simple marketplace move. If the market will bear the cost, it doesn't matter if some don't remain active participants at games. If the market won't, the team will have to respond by reducing costs. The choice, at all points is the consumer. The consumer can purchase or reject. The Redskins are a team with an advantage in the league for a simple reason. We have more revune to work with than others. So, in a way, the higher prices should continue to help the program. Think of the increase your offer of help for the highest price coaching staff walking the earth . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 There is zero zero zero reason a beer should cost 4 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 There is zero zero zero reason a beer should cost 4 bucks. From what vendor are you buying a beer for $4? The price at FedEx is $7. Guinness or Jack Daniels for $8 are the better deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwebst1 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 So, winning seasons equate to pushing out blue-collar types for the wine-and-cheese crowd?Raising prices to remain competitive? It seems to me that, if you kept prices low, that would lure more people to your business. But, that's just me. Still debating whether I'm going to renew my seats. here here :applause: :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 There is zero zero zero reason a beer should cost 4 bucks. First, I have NEVER purchased a beer at any game I've ever attended. I use the same money to have a six-pack in the back seat. But, there actually is a good reason a single beer should cost that much. If you lower the price to price points MOST people would enjoy, you'd have more activity in your area with vendors, distracting from the game. You'd have constant noise and activity passing money and beverage back and forth. More importantly, you'd have more drunk souls. It's not an easy call to make to get hammered when you're going $35 for a six-pack. So, you maintain something of a safe, friendly environment by keeping the drunk count a wee bit lower . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 First, I have NEVER purchased a beer at any game I've ever attended. I use the same money to have a six-pack in the back seat. That logic is the same that a lot of people complaining about the ticket increase will use. Why pay $1950 for two season tickets and parking passes when NFL Sunday Ticket costs only $229 and an HDTV can be had from Wal-Mart for $900? For $1129, I (not necessarily me) can watch the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, AFL, NCAA, and anything else I want to YEAR ROUND. Compared to tickets, I'd still have $821 to spend on beer, food, a jersey (of a Redskin great..no more current players for me), and a surround sound system! Honestly, $5 a beer at a game is high enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 There is zero zero zero reason a beer should cost 4 bucks. How do you think Snyder got Joe Gibbs to come back and hwo do you think he got Al Saunders to come here and keep Gregg Williams...As Tom KNott says you cannot have it both ways...if Snyder copuldn't keep Gregg William or get Al Suander or Joe Gibbs, you all would be calling him scum or being cheap...It is a business people...if you don't like the ticket hike, give them away..going to a redskins game is not a necessity of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 there actually is a good reason a single beer should cost that much. If you lower the price to price points MOST people would enjoy, you'd have more activity in your area with vendors, distracting from the game. You'd have constant noise and activity passing money and beverage back and forth.More importantly, you'd have more drunk souls. It's not an easy call to make to get hammered when you're going $35 for a six-pack. So, you maintain something of a safe, friendly environment by keeping the drunk count a wee bit lower . Thank you, Dan Snyder, capitalist, preserver of the game day experience and protector of public safety. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 How do you think Snyder got Joe Gibbs to come back and hwo do you think he got Al Saunders to come here and keep Gregg Williams...As Tom KNott says you cannot have it both ways...if Snyder copuldn't keep Gregg William or get Al Suander or Joe Gibbs, you all would be calling him scum or being cheap...It is a business people...if you don't like the ticket hike, give them away..going to a redskins game is not a necessity of life. I'm sure Snyder was searching in his couch cushions looking for loose change to pay Saunders before he raised prices. What bothers me is the fact that Snyder finally actually put a decent product on the field after years of debacles and his initial response is "Finally, I can raise prices!" As others have said, God help us if we win a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Granted, I'm not a season tickett holder and if I'm lucky I may make it to one game a season, but I don't see the raise in tickett prices to be that big of a deal. Unfortanly, everything goes up in cost. Just think how much it must cost to fly the team all over the country all season long. Not to mention the salary of the best coaching staff ever assembled. These things aren't cheap and Snyder has to find a way to put food on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I'm sure Snyder was searching in his couch cushions looking for loose change to pay Saunders before he raised prices.What bothers me is the fact that Snyder finally actually put a decent product on the field after years of debacles and his initial response is "Finally' date=' I can raise prices!" As others have said, God help us if we win a Super Bowl.[/quote'] It is a business. If the Redskins don't win, Snyder is blamed. IF they do when and make improveemnts to get better, and he rasies prices, he is scum. If you want a winner, ultimatley you are going to have to pay for it...Once again if people don't like the price hike, don't go to the games. Bottom Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 It is a business. If the Redskins don't win, Snyder is blamed. IF they do when and make improveemnts to get better, and he rasies prices, he is scum. If you want a winner, ultimatley you are going to have to pay for it...Once again if people don't like the price hike, don't go to the games. Bottom Line. If the Redskins lose, Snyder does not slash prices. And this idea that the fans have to "pay" for a winner makes little sense when you figure that: 1. The years the team sucked the most was when it had its highest payroll 2. The team has been the most profitable in football for years and has one playoff run to show for it, while Pittsburgh is 16th in profitbablity and has the Lombardi Trophy. 3. The team has been insanely profitable for years and the gameday experience at FedEx still ranks among the worst in all of professional sports. All Snyder has done to improve FedEx is stick seats behind pillars. 4. Frankly, I don't understand why people go to the games. I'm still waiting for an explanation aside from "The ExtremeSkins Tailgate," which I think can be held in a Dave and Busters somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 If the Redskins lose' date=' Snyder does not slash prices.And this idea that the fans have to "pay" for a winner makes little sense when you figure that: 1. The years the team sucked the most was when it had its highest payroll 2. The team has been the most profitable in football for years and has one playoff run to show for it, while Pittsburgh is 16th in profitbablity and has the Lombardi Trophy. 3. The team has been insanely profitable for years and the gameday experience at FedEx still ranks among the worst in all of professional sports. All Snyder has done to improve FedEx is stick seats behind pillars. 4. Frankly, I don't understand why people go to the games. I'm still waiting for an explanation aside from "The ExtremeSkins Tailgate," which I think can be held in a Dave and Busters somewhere.[/quote'] Did Dan Snyder and the Redskins put a gun to people's head to make them go to these games or buy the season tickets when they sucked? If you don't like a product, you do not have to go. Bottom Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 OK so the tickets are expensive. My $79 lower level tix went to $108 and change, and the parking pass went from $25 to $35 per. That means that my game day enjoyment will now cost me about $700 more than last year. That is a lot of money and I sacrifice a lot of things at home to be able to do it. But that is my choice, which I have to make every year, this one included. Interesting point, my upper level nose bleed end zone seats, which I have sold through the classifieds on this board for the past two years, have not increased at all. They remain $44 per seat per game. The same price they were when FedEx opened, as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 OK so the tickets are expensive. My $79 lower level tix went to $108 and change, and the parking pass went from $25 to $35 per. That means that my game day enjoyment will now cost me about $700 more than last year. That is a lot of money and I sacrifice a lot of things at home to be able to do it. But that is my choice, which I have to make every year, this one included. :applause: :applause: That is the key sentence right there...it was your choice...everyone has choices out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 :applause: :applause: That is the key sentence right there...it was your choice...everyone has choices out here. It is a choice. And I choose not to go. But I do think that it's sad that it is becoming next to impossible for a middle class person to pay for Redskins tickets unless they are willing to sacrifice something major in their lives. I mean, a $700 increase - to me - means that I don't get a new tv this year. Or my girlfriend and I don't take that normal weekend ski trip. I guess I find the whole concept of "sacrificing" for a football team odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsDave Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 As expected the usual suspects are defending Danny. That's funny. All I have to say is I want to apologize to the fans about the parking costs. Last season I and other fans demanded more port-a-jons. We got them but apparently the cost of them is being recouped this season. I would bet that we go back to the lack of jons too. Also, I sure hope that we see those NEW TV SCREENS with all this money. Clearly all this money should help accomodate NEW TV SCREENS are the stadium. What say you Danny boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talk show host Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 i wonder whether, if the new CBA involves alot of revenue sharing between owners, if snyder would not charge so much for tickets and parking? i mean, why make your fans pay an exhorbitant amount of money, only to go and give that money to low revenue teams so that they can afford to pay their players more and compete with you? the less snyder makes his fans pay, the less he has to give up. i guess it all depends on what actually is shared. personally, i think ticket sales and parknig and stuff like that should be snyders to keep. i can see the wisdom in sharing tv profits though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 It is a choice. And I choose not to go. But I do think that it's sad that it is becoming next to impossible for a middle class person to pay for Redskins tickets unless they are willing to sacrifice something major in their lives. I mean' date=' a $700 increase - to me - means that I don't get a new tv this year. Or my girlfriend and I don't take that normal weekend ski trip. I guess I find the whole concept of "sacrificing" for a football team odd.[/quote'] It is also sad that it costs $2.40 for gas. But you have to prioritize things...is a TV or a weekend ski trip more important that the extra $700 for season tickets to the Redskins or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 So, winning seasons equate to pushing out blue-collar types for the wine-and-cheese crowd?Raising prices to remain competitive? It seems to me that, if you kept prices low, that would lure more people to your business. But, that's just me. Still debating whether I'm going to renew my seats. Well, since the stadium is always sold out anyways I don't think he's worried about luring more people to his business. BTW, if you don't renew, there's probably about 50,000 people waiting to snatch it up in 5 seconds. Because of those factors, he can hike the price as much as he likes because he knows we'll still go. If you won't, somebody else will and regardless, that stadium's gonna be full on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFanatic Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 There is zero zero zero reason a beer should cost 4 bucks. There is only 1 reason they do it. You buy it.:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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