BigRay Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Kyle Boller. LOL. Most D1 college QB's are better than Kyle Boller. Billick doesn't think so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Boller and Harrington are the only ones I could maybe see him starting over right now. Heck, even Boller is iffy, considering how much the Ravens have invested in him. He may be better than some of the other qbs listed, but you have to take into account how young the qbs are and what the team's plans qb wise. I mean, the 49ers certainly aren't going to bench Smith for Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 They're at least entertaining the idea. They did play Garcia last year, and now Martz is coming in. I think Martz could work wonders with Ramsey. he's getting a huge bonus soon, I dont see them going after ramsey:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 HOLD ON!! sorry about the double post..but how is Ramsey better than Boller??? They are basically the same player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Ramsey is better than any QB in Miami, Chicago, Oakland, or Cleveland. Detroit too. Sorry, but Harrington has a nice core of receivers (except Mike "The Bust" Williams) and could have performed better than he did. I would also take Ramsey over Chad "The Touch" Pennington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Wait, I'm confused...is Ramsey so bad that we have to trade him for nothing or cut him just to get the stink off our team, or is he good enough to start in the NFL? Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatant Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Wait, I'm confused...is Ramsey so bad that we have to trade him for nothing or cut him just to get the stink off our team, or is he good enough to start in the NFL? Which is it? Your guess is as good as mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Adjusted for accuracy Please lets hold Carr to the same standard as PR. If you do that you will see PR's # are better than Carr's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Is Ramsey better than the following?: Kyle Boller YES Alex Smith NO Ken Dorsey YES Joey Harrington NO Rex Grossman NO Kyle Orton NO JP Losman NO David Carr NO Gus Frerotte YES Charlie Frye MAYBE Kerry Collins MAYBE Aaron Brooks YES Drew Bledsoe MAYBE Jeff Garcia MAYBE If you took Ramsey and all the above QBs, put them in a bag, beat them with a stick and threw it off a bridge, the game of football would not really notice the difference. I think they are all essentially the same second-rate QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Aaron I can't win a game Brooks needs to be taken off the list? He was benched for God's sake. Too inconsistent, way too inconsistent. Sometimes I don't think people watch football. I spent almost 4 yrs being subjected to Saints football and I can assure you he's not that good. While it may be true that he hasn't had a QB rating over 80 the last 2 seasons, his teams haven't won and he thows more picks than TDs, his overall rating in Madden is much better than Patrick Ramsey's so he must be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatant Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Please lets hold Carr to the same standard as PR. If you do that you will see PR's # are better than Carr's. Carr does not have an offensive line, give him some time to throw and then we can judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Ramsey>Kyle Boller Ramsey<Alex Smith (Smith is young so we can't hold last year against him) Ramsey>Ken Dorsey Ramsey=Joey Harrington (Harrington has failed, but still has talent) Ramsey>Rex Grossman (Grossman is however, better for the 4 games he plays each year) Ramsey>Kyle Orton (but Orton was impressive given his situation last year) Ramsey<JP Losman (based solely on watching them play at Tulane) Ramsey<<<David Carr (Carr has been mildly successful with an O-line far worse than anything Ramsey ever saw) Ramsey>>>Gus Frerotte (the guy ran head first into a concrete wall, is that the brain you want leading your team?) Ramsey?Charlie Frye (Don't know enough about Frye) Ramsey>Kerry Collins (Collins is on his last legs and those legs might get broken if he repeats any of the comments he had in Carolina) Corn on the Cob>Aaron Brooks (the guy has skills, but he is a horrible leader, a horrible decision maker, and he just flat out loses ball games) Ramsey<Drew Bledsoe (I hate to say it, but Bledsoe has been doing it for years. Ramsey is far younger though so I would still take Ramsey for the long hual) Ramsey=Jeff Garcia (different styles but Garcia makes plays, and is a more experienced leader) Ramsey<Brunell (According to the coaches.) Any questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Here is something to consider - this was a post made before last season comparing PR and his supporting cast and the other young QB's in the league. Please notice that the #'s only got worse this season for the QB's used in the comparison. If you desire I think you could include the others QB's on the list used in this tread and the picture is only looks better. Harrington Games/TD's/Int's/rating 46 48 50 67 Harrington has been given the undisputed starting job with a team built around him. Starting receivers Charlie Rodgers, Roy Williams last year with the addition of Mike Williams this year. He also has had a good o-line along with RB Kevin Jones last year. O-by-the-way, he has a record of 14-34 as a starter. Boller Games/TD's/Int's/Rating 27 20 20 68 Carr Games/TD's/Int's/Rating 44 34 42 72 Recievers - Andre Johnson, Jabar Graffney, Cory Bradford Palmer Games/TD's/Int's/Rating 13 18 18 77 Receivers - Houshmandzadeh, Chad Johnson, P. Warrick Ramsey Games/TD's/Int's/Rating 30 33 28 74 Receivers overs 3 years - Coles (toe), Gardner (50/50), Jacobs, McCants (sometimes), Thrash (castoff from the Eagles), Kevin Lockett, Jacquez Green, Chris Doering and Derrius Thompson,etc....... Offensive line play in 2002 & 2003 very poor. FYI - Troy Aikman (1st 3 years) Games/TD's/Int's/Rating/Super Bowl wins 38 31 46 70 3 John Elway (1st 3 years) GamesTD's/Int's/Rating/Super bowl wins 42 47 52 67 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I am curious to see who will be the first to say Mark Brunell. It won't be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Is Ramsey better than the following?:Kyle Boller YES Alex Smith NO Ken Dorsey YES Joey Harrington NO Rex Grossman NO Kyle Orton NO JP Losman NO David Carr NO Gus Frerotte YES Charlie Frye MAYBE Kerry Collins MAYBE Aaron Brooks YES Drew Bledsoe MAYBE Jeff Garcia MAYBE If you took Ramsey and all the above QBs' date=' put them in a bag, beat them with a stick and threw it off a bridge, the game of football would not really notice the difference. I think they are all essentially the same second-rate QB.[/quote'] I'll try and do an update on these QB's last 3yr #'s and maybe that will kinda tell the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 The real question: Is Ramsey better then Mark Brunell or Jason Campbell? If the answer is yes to either, then we wouldn't be trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanofSuperskin! Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Great point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 If he's not better than Campbell, who's never taken a snap in a regular season game, then we might as well just cut him, because he's not good enough to be on an NFL roster, much less start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixius Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I think the Lions would be very smart to bring in Ramsey. They sign Shaun King to their roster today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I'll try and do an update on these QB's last 3yr #'s and maybe that will kinda tell the story. I think it largely depends on what you want out of the QB position. I would rather start Smith right now over Ramsey just because he is such an unknown and that team is not going to the playoffs anyway. You need to find out what you have in Smith sooner rather than later. Plugging in Ramsey to win 6 or 7 games does nothing for your future out there. I know people here have some strange affection for the guy - mainly because Spurrier turned him into a tackling dummy. But I try to look at it unemotionally. I think he is the same QB as Boller, just with a stronger arm. Both have talent. Both hold onto the ball way way too long. Both throw insanely bad picks. You could argue that both have been snake-bitten to some degree. But I don't think either are capable of leading any team to more than 9 wins. And that would have to be a pretty good team at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I think it largely depends on what you want out of the QB position. I would rather start Smith right now over Ramsey just because he is such an unknown and that team is not going to the playoffs anyway. You need to find out what you have in Smith sooner rather than later. Plugging in Ramsey to win 6 or 7 games does nothing for your future out there. I know people here have some strange affection for the guy - mainly because Spurrier turned him into a tackling dummy. But I try to look at it unemotionally. I think he is the same QB as Boller' date=' just with a stronger arm. Both have talent. Both hold onto the ball way way too long. Both throw insanely bad picks. You could argue that both have been snake-bitten to some degree. But I don't think either are capable of leading any team to more than 9 wins. And that would have to be a pretty good team at that.[/quote'] i agree good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Kyle Boller -- Boller is terrible. But the Ravens are only going to give up on him if a proven vet comes along. Alex Smith/Ken Dorsey -- Smith and fellow first rounder Aaron Rodgers look like little boys to me. I would bet that both are going to be complete busts. That said, there's no way in hell the 49ers give up on him after one year. Joey Harrington -- another qb I think Ramsey is better than. But the Lions have too much invested in him to bench him for a question mark like Ramsey. Rex Grossman/Kyle Orton -- Grossman, if he can stay healthy, could turn into a stud. JP Losman -- too young with too much potential to be benched for Ramsey. David Carr -- overrated if you ask me. But the Texans just gave him a eight million dollar roster bonus. They're not going to bench him for Ramsey. Gus Frerotte -- I think they're very similar players. Ramsey would just be another qb in the mix in Miami, not the clear-cut starter. Charlie Frye -- showed a lot last year. Would start over Ramsey because of that. and maybe... Kerry Collins -- depends on the situation. Taking age out of the equation, I think Collins is better. Aaron Brooks -- the black Brett Favre (Favre of now that is). Loads of talent, but makes a lot of bad decisions. You know who else does that? Patrick Ramsey. Drew Bledsoe -- Bledsoe is clearly the better player right now. Who knows what the future holds for Ramsey? But I don't think he's the kind of qb anyone is getting excited over right now. The lack of demand for him proves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 i agree good point My problem with the whole Ramsey is a pick machine is that the numbers just don't show that is being the case. Yes, he has thrown some untimely picks. However, you show me any great QB that hasn 't thrown his share of untimely picks and I will go away. PR's int/attemp # is good, his TD/int ratio is very good for a young QB, remember 3 of the picks came on hail merry's at the end of games/half when Spurrier had him in for 1 play. Yes, I agree that he needs improvement - that comes with experience. I would like to see him at least get a legit shot at QB with someone, if for no other reason it would finally allow me to stop this crazy support for PR that I can't seem to shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 My problem with the whole Ramsey is a pick machine is that the numbers just don't show that is being the case. Yes, he has thrown some untimely picks. However, you show me any great QB that hasn 't thrown his share of untimely picks and I will go away. PR's int/attemp # is good, his TD/int ratio is very good for a young QB, remember 3 of the picks came on hail merry's at the end of games/half when Spurrier had him in for 1 play. Yes, I agree that he needs improvement - that comes with experience. I would like to see him at least get a legit shot at QB with someone, if for no other reason it would finally allow me to stop this crazy support for PR that I can't seem to shake. He's thrown 29 picks in 24 career starts, which is rather high. The other problem is he tends to throw them in bunches. He has 8 games with multiple interceptions. To me, that says that 1 out of 3 times, Ramsey is going to put your team in a very very difficult situation. What may be more alarming is that he has fumbled the ball 25 times in 24 starts including 5 multiple fumble games. 5 multiple fumble games and 8 multiple interception games is hard to defend in just 33 career games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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