jrockster21 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Damn, WB...the last 5 or 6 posts pretty much made your argument look silly, but since you asked: I'm still waiting for someone to look at the data and call the Eagles FO cheap. The Eagles FO is CHEAP!! :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Well, this thread certainly got turned upside down lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Why on Earth do so many Eagles players want off that team when given the chance? Answer: Eagles cap management :laugh: I've got to hear this...... okay, tr1, what do you base the above statement on ? Please show me that the Eagles have a higher proportion of players that want off the team than other teams in the nfl. Please. And do me a favor, since it's Friday and all, if you can't back up your statement w/ either solid numbers or at a minimum an overwhelming ammount of dirctly attributable quotes to players who want to leave the Eagles, than just admit that you completely pulled that made up comment out of your butt and you have no basis for making it at all. And let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Corry Simon, Jerahmia Trotter -sucked big time came back , Duce Staley - I hear he has a supperbowl ring you know, Dereck Burgess, Shawn Barber, Hugh Douglass - sucked big time came back errmmm fred-EX all wanted out all were starters all had faily big clashes with the FO ... and of course I am forgetting to mention TO . THe Skins have had a lot of player turnover but that is mostly down to changes in coaches but the Eagles havent they have had the same set up for years and no the Eagles havent got bad overnight but it is the constant drip drip drip of players exiting leaves more and more bad blood . Once the Cowboys, Giants and Skins get their respective ship rightened balance will be restored to the NFCEast again with the mighty green looking up from the basement ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Corry Simon, Jerahmia Trotter -sucked big time came back , Duce Staley - I hear he has a supperbowl ring you know, Dereck Burgess, Shawn Barber, Hugh Douglass - sucked big time came back errmmm fred-EX all wanted out all were starters all had faily big clashes with the FO ... and of course I am forgetting to mention TO . THe Skins have had a lot of player turnover but that is mostly down to changes in coaches but the Eagles havent they have had the same set up for years and no the Eagles havent got bad overnight but it is the constant drip drip drip of players exiting leaves more and more bad blood . Once the Cowboys, Giants and Skins get their respective ship rightened balance will be restored to the NFCEast again with the mighty green looking up from the basement ... I was going to post that same list, but I forgot about Shawn Barber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Corry Simon, Jerahmia Trotter -sucked big time came back , Duce Staley - I hear he has a supperbowl ring you know, Dereck Burgess, Shawn Barber, Hugh Douglass - sucked big time came back errmmm fred-EX all wanted out all were starters all had faily big clashes with the FO ... and of course I am forgetting to mention TO . I think you need to learn the difference between a player being released, as in the team desired to let them go, and a player wanting to, or leaving on their own accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I was going to post that same list, but I forgot about Shawn Barber. then your list would have been just as bad Dock. you people are hard headed. Never did I claim that the Eagles haven't had any players want to leave, and do so for a better deal. What I did was question tr1's statement, which he made it sound like it was an overwhelming ammount of players looking to leave. More than other teams have. Again, the majority of your list were RELEASED BY the Eagles. That is very different than players wanting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 then your list would have been just as bad Dock. you people are hard headed. Never did I claim that the Eagles haven't had any players want to leave, and do so for a better deal. What I did was question tr1's statement, which he made it sound like it was an overwhelming ammount of players looking to leave. More than other teams have. Again, the majority of your list were RELEASED BY the Eagles. That is very different than players wanting out. Well then you have to at least concede with Duce, Vincent, Trotter I, and Simon. They all left with bad blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Well then you have to at least concede with Duce, Vincent, Trotter I, and Simon. They all left with bad blood. what the hell does that have to do w/ what tr1 said..... the bad blood was that most, if not all, wanted to STAY w/ the Eagles. The Eagles CHOSE not to retain them. And in hindsight, the Eagles were 100% right in that decision w/ 3 of the 4 you just mentioned. So boo hoo if they have bad blood yet go on to their new team to do NOTHING. Yet tr1, and now you all, are trying to twist it like players are scratching and clawing to get out of Philly. Please. And the fact that Skins fans of all people bring up Shawn Barber in their argument is funny. Why didn't Barber stay in Redskin-land and not sign w/ the Eagles ? And don't even get me started on Trotter. Great choice there to support your argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 And in hindsight, the Eagles were 100% right in that decision w/ 3 of the 4 you just mentioned. I think they took a step back when Duce and Simon left without a doubt. You could argue for Trotter as well. I don't know exactly why you are arguing that players want to leave Philly. If they are leaving for money purposes, so be it; it's a business. But some players leave because they feel their worth is higher than the Eagles want to pay. The Eagles FO has stated this themselves, why are you arguing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 A good example is Pierce leaving last year. We took a step back in the MLB position, but Marshall played very well, and the team did ok. But he left with bad blood. The team did the right thing by not overpaying, but he was still jilted. All the players I mentioned before felt the same way leaving the Eagles. It just seems like there are more of them on the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I think they took a step back when Duce and Simon left without a doubt. You could argue for Trotter as well.I don't know exactly why you are arguing that players want to leave Philly. If they are leaving for money purposes, so be it; it's a business. But some players leave because they feel their worth is higher than the Eagles want to pay. The Eagles FO has stated this themselves, why are you arguing? I called tr1 out on his b.s. statement: Why on Earth do so many Eagles players want off that team when given the chance? Answer: Eagles cap management that's it. I didn't say that players haven't left. You get that right ? Again, I called tr1 out, asked him what basis he has for insinuating that there is some sort of disproportionate number of players that wants out of Philly. Then you all jumped into the mix and started throwing names at me... names of players that the Eagles released. Being released, and wanting off that team when given the chance are completely different. Dockery, you should really just let tr1 answer for himself on some of these things he says. Especially if you don't agree w/ him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 A good example is Pierce leaving last year.We took a step back in the MLB position, but Marshall played very well, and the team did ok. But he left with bad blood. The team did the right thing by not overpaying, but he was still jilted. All the players I mentioned before felt the same way leaving the Eagles. It just seems like there are more of them on the Eagles. fine. Would you say a statement like this is appropriate to the Skins then? "Why on Earth do so many Redskin players want off that team when given the chance? Answer: Redskin cap management" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I called tr1 out on his b.s. statement: that's it. I didn't say that players haven't left. You get that right ? Again, I called tr1 out, asked him what basis he has for insinuating that there is some sort of disproportionate number of players that wants out of Philly. Then you all jumped into the mix and started throwing names at me... names of players that the Eagles released. Being released, and wanting off that team when given the chance are completely different. Dockery, you should really just let tr1 answer for himself on some of these things he says. Especially if you don't agree w/ him. Well the Eagles can release a player and the player can still want off the team. All those players felt a little unappreciated. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Well the Eagles can release a player and the player can still want off the team. All those players felt a little unappreciated.Just sayin... and that doesn't happen w/ any other team in the league, right ? Just the Eagles. Still doesn't even come close to supporting tr1's assanine statement and you know it. You all have a good day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 and that doesn't happen w/ any other team in the league, right ? Just the Eagles. Still doesn't even come close to supporting tr1's assanine statement and you know it. You all have a good day... Man, he really gets you going. I happen to agree that it happens to more players on the Eagles, and I'm just going by past results. If it's any consolation, I don't think it really affects the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Man, he really gets you going.I happen to agree that it happens to more players on the Eagles, and I'm just going by past results. If it's any consolation, I don't think it really affects the locker room. unreal. So when the Eagles "release" a player... and probably 90% of the time... that player goes on to do NOTHING w/ the next team...(meaning the Eagles decision to release is correct WAY more than it isn't) but now that player has "bad blood", you're holding it against the Eagles. You are aware that tr1's statement in question was directly attributed to the Eagles cap management, right ? And you use Trotter, who came to play for you all and is now back w/ the Eagles.... (btw, is he still on the Skins books as dead money ?... seeing as tr1's whole point was about cap management) And Shawn Barber who LEFT the Redskins to come to the Eagles, but now somehow you use him in your support of your argument against the Eagles as in regards to players leaving ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 unreal. So when the Eagles "release" a player... and probably 90% of the time... that player goes on to do NOTHING w/ the next team...(meaning the Eagles decision to release is correct WAY more than it isn't) but now that player has "bad blood", you're holding it against the Eagles. You are aware that tr1's statement in question was directly attributed to the Eagles cap management, right ? And you use Trotter, who came to play for you all and is now back w/ the Eagles.... (btw, is he still on the Skins books as dead money ?... seeing as tr1's whole point was about cap management) And Shawn Barber who LEFT the Redskins to come to the Eagles, but now somehow you use him in your support of your argument against the Eagles as in regards to players leaving ??????? Dude, you're spinning around. I used all those examples of players who left the Eagles disappointed and unappreciated. I stand by that assessment. You talk to others about generalizations then you use things like "90% of them go on to do nothing". And when the Eagles go on to "release" a player because they don't think they are worth it, yes that creates bad blood. How can you think otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 unreal. So when the Eagles "release" a player... and probably 90% of the time... that player goes on to do NOTHING w/ the next team...(meaning the Eagles decision to release is correct WAY more than it isn't) but now that player has "bad blood", you're holding it against the Eagles. You are aware that tr1's statement in question was directly attributed to the Eagles cap management, right ? And you use Trotter, who came to play for you all and is now back w/ the Eagles.... (btw, is he still on the Skins books as dead money ?... seeing as tr1's whole point was about cap management) And Shawn Barber who LEFT the Redskins to come to the Eagles, but now somehow you use him in your support of your argument against the Eagles as in regards to players leaving ??????? Where do I begin, TE... Others have listed the players...I couldn't think of a number that came close to that with the Redskins...can you? When a player knows that there is money allocated to be spent on players under the cap, and management decides to save the money and let the player go, then yes, I believe the player is upset with their 'cap management.' Look at how the Eagles jerked WB around until they decided they'd had enough of TO. They could have signed them both, without getting close to going over their cap...am I right? Look, I say things that may get you upset, but I've been given a ton of baggage that I've never said. And quite frankly, I stil believe the Eagles are in part a major reason (along with about ten other teams) for the predicatment the CBA is in...Upshaw says it all the time...if teams don't spend what's allocated on players, the cap is a joke. I think he's right...and that's why I'll never criticize the Redskins for spending money....that's what they agreed to do with the union. But, no Eagle fan cares to address my point because I'm dead on. The Eagles way of cap management is the reason this crisis has occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Dude, you're spinning around.I used all those examples of players who left the Eagles disappointed and unappreciated. I stand by that assessment. You talk to others about generalizations then you use things like "90% of them go on to do nothing". And when the Eagles go on to "release" a player because they don't think they are worth it, yes that creates bad blood. How can you think otherwise? what am I spinning Dockery ? First off, bad blood, whether there or not, was not part of the discussion until YOU brought it in. Got that ? I'm not arguing that or stating that it doesn't exist... it just wasn't part of what tr1 said and what I called B.S. on until you started alluding to it. Second, tr1 said, flat out, that there are SO many Eagles players that are just dying to get out of Philadelphia at the first chance they get. You all are aware that the Eagles have one of the highest numbers of players in the 2nd and 3rd years of contracts and are right at the top in numbers of players that have re-signed w/ them. I have a link for this but I have to dig it out... You all then proceed to give me a list of players. Players that were RELEASED by the Eagles. How the eff does that support the contention that the players are dying to get out ? Let me help you, it doesn't. Whether there is bad blood or not has no effing bearing on his made up contention. And talk about spin... you all say that the Eagles have a higher occurance of "these players dying to leave" than other teams... and 2 of the maybe 6-7 players you list as your evidence, left your team to GO TO THE EAGLES. tr1, why do you bring WB up ? By your contention, he wouldn't have re-signed w/ the Eagles then, right ?... he would have turned it down and waited for his chance at FA to sign elsewhere, right ? You said that players were trying to get out at the first chance. So why did WB re-sign ? Why ? Very poor choice of an example to try and back up your made up point. Why am I not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sableholic Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 How come no Eagles fans have come to the defense of the original thread topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 what am I spinning Dockery ? First off, bad blood, whether there or not, was not part of the discussion until YOU brought it in. Got that ? I'm not arguing that or stating that it doesn't exist... it just wasn't part of what tr1 said and what I called B.S. on until you started alluding to it. Second, tr1 said, flat out, that there are SO many Eagles players that are just dying to get out of Philadelphia at the first chance they get. Look, if a player wants more money, and the Eagles tell him no, that means 1) The player wants to leave and 2) The player feels unappreciated. Maybe it doesn't create bad blood with all of them but it absolutely will with some of them. Bad blood or ill feeling is part of the discussion because it's part of the scenario. You were saying players didn't want to leave and they were just being released; no more so than other teams, yet you know Banner has stated that they will only pay certain amounts for certain positions. I honestly have no idea how you cannot see that that would lead players to want to go to other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 How come no Eagles fans have come to the defense of the original thread topic? by "original thread topic", do you mean that tr1 just spews nonsense and the actual data and numbers back that up ? What defense do you need..... he does a good enough job making this very clear on a daily basis just by his posts. besides... you all have a hard time staying on topic.... what starts out as a debate of one point, quickly becomes something totally else. I call b.s. on the statement that the Eagles have a lot of player just dying to get out of Philly at the first possible chance. But instead of debating that point, or providing proof to support that point, here come the SKins posters changing the topic completely to "well there is bad blood when the Eagles release somebody"... gee, ya think ? irrelevant to the point that I called B.S. too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Look, if a player wants more money, and the Eagles tell him no, that means 1) The player wants to leave and 2) The player feels unappreciated. Maybe it doesn't create bad blood with all of them but it absolutely will with some of them. Bad blood or ill feeling is part of the discussion because it's part of the scenario. You were saying players didn't want to leave and they were just being released; no more so than other teams, yet you know Banner has stated that they will only pay certain amounts for certain positions. I honestly have no idea how you cannot see that that would lead players to want to go to other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 You were saying players didn't want to leave and they were just being released; no more so than other teams, yet you know Banner has stated that they will only pay certain amounts for certain positions.I honestly have no idea how you cannot see that that would lead players to want to go to other teams. Dock... man. That's not what I said at all. I NEVER said that there aren't players who have left Philly. Every team in the NFL has players that leave for other teams... be it for more $$ or more playing time or whatever. I said that the list you all provided, was a list of players that were mostly released by the Eagles. They way the felt, after being released, has absolutely no bearing on what he said. It was NOT a list of players who left Philly at the first chance they could. What I asked tr1 for, was some evidence or basis for his statement that there are currently so many players that are just waiting for the first chance to get out of Philly. Perhaps a list of "current" players who are just dying to get out at the first possible chance? We are talking about two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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