TK Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=4016 Owners Break Off Talks With Players Union By Gary Fitzgerald Redskins.com March 2, 2006 The NFL is about to enter a period of uncertainty as the league's owners have decided to break off negotiations with the NFL Players Association on an extension of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. The free agency signing period is slated to start at 12:01 a.m. on Friday morning. The salary cap for the 2006 will be $94.5 million, the same as last season. That could force many teams, including the Redskins, to release veterans to get under the salary cap by midnight, before the start of free agency. NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue addressed the media following an owners meeting in New York City on Thursday morning. The two sides are at an impasse over revenue sharing, Tagliabue said. Paul Tagliabue "The revenue sharing issue has never been an impediment [to negotiating a CBA extension] and it is not an impediment now," he said. "The difference between now and the past is the fundamental change in the way [the NFLPA] is defining their expectations as to the percentages that should go to players and the unwillingness and inability to recognize the very real costs that are associated with what the league has done in building new stadiums and generating revenues and investing in enterprises that produce the revenue." Added Tagliabue: "We feel that one of the positive things about the NFL is with the CBA and one that works for both sides. We have put a proposal on the table that would extend that until 2011 and we recognize that the last year of the current agreement is certainly not ideal in terms of operation realities and it's certainly not a good situation for anybody." Although the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) does not expire until after the 2007 season, talks for an extension have been going for more than a year. With no extension, the cap is significantly lower than most teams had hoped. For example, the projected salary cap with an extension would likely have been between $100-110 million. Also, with no extension, 2007 becomes an uncapped year. What does this mean for the Redskins? As head coach Joe Gibbs said last Saturday from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolsi, the Redskins have mapped out a number of scenarios based on whether the CBA was extended. So team officials are well-prepared for a scenario in which the CBA is not extended. Vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said last week that, with no CBA in place, the Redskins would likely focus more on acquiring players in the draft than in free agency. The Redskins have been working diligently over the last few days to renegotiate contracts with several veteran players. Quarterback Mark Brunell agreed to terms of a restructured contract earlier this week. Several NFL teams began the process of cutting players on Wednesday. Former Redskins running back Stephen Davis was among the players released by the Carolina Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 So how do you guys read this? "Vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said last week that, with no CBA in place, the Redskins would likely focus more on acquiring players in the draft than in free agency." Are we going to try to get more picks via trades? It doesn't seem that we have the quantity or type of picks in the draft to really address any needs. I didn't think late round rookies could rarely be relied upon to contrubute all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Are we going to try to get more picks via trades? It doesn't seem that we have the quantity or type of picks in the draft to really address any needs. I didn't think late round rookies could rarely be relied upon to contrubute all that much. Those were my concerns also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4Life28 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said last week that, with no CBA in place, the Redskins would likely focus more on acquiring players in the draft than in free agency. This worries me because we obviously do not have many draft picks to work with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have the following: 2nd 3rd 5th 6th 7th That doesn't really excite me as far as team improvements are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostOfLamontHollinquest Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Looks like we'll get one for Ramsey as well. I've forever been unimpressed by how this team drafts, so I am not hopeful that we we'll be getting a whole lot of big contributers in late rounds. But who knows... I believe Cooley, Marshall and Jansen are the only non-first rounders that we've drafterd starting on the team right now. Pierce was a good low round pick. Smoot was a 2nd rounder, so we've had a few good ones in recent years. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegademrnate23 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hey man, guys like Cooley come in the late rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Do we really need all that much, tho? As long as we don't cut any starters, rookies should be able to give decent depth. Sure, it probably won't get us a stud at WR or DE, but what we have right now is servicable. Also, I expect that we will pick up some bargins in FA, and there should be a few of those guys, since everyone is in the same boat. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 If we make massive cuts, we may not lose a load of talent but we will lose a ton of depth. More and more positions will become need and we won't possibly have enough picks to fill them. A team like the Pats have been masters of drafting and using free agency to fill key gaps. If we are forced to be one dimensional it is going to make it hard for us to take that next step. That being said. We were ten points away from the NFC championship last season so we shouldn't falter too much. That is unless we have to cut to the "Core" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hey man, guys like Cooley come in the 3RD round. FYP... Guys like Nemo and McCune come in the late rounds. Gus like Cooley come on the first day or the "early rounds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeyeats Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 we actually have 2 6th rounders. the other is from the gardner trade to carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalSkinsFan Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Do we really need all that much, tho? As long as we don't cut any starters, rookies should be able to give decent depth.Sure, it probably won't get us a stud at WR or DE, but what we have right now is servicable. Also, I expect that we will pick up some bargins in FA, and there should be a few of those guys, since everyone is in the same boat. Jason No we don't, provided we can renegotiate enough veteran contracts to get under. 20 of the 22 starters are under contract on a playoff team. Royal and Clark are the only starters that are free agents, and both likely could be brought back cheaply. So imo, we are in better shape than most teams that are currently over the cap. Granted, I would feel much more comfortable with guys like Bowen and Harris as backups rather than low round rookies, but I think we will be ok. It also almost guarantees Ramsey will be traded, even for a lower round pick than hoped, we desperately need that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwebst1 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said last week that, with no CBA in place, the Redskins would likely focus more on acquiring players in the draft than in free agency. This worries me because we obviously do not have many draft picks to work with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have the following: 2nd 3rd 5th 6th 7th That doesn't really excite me as far as team improvements are concerned. Yeah, no **** they are going to have to focus on the draft...... Vinny sounds like such a moron..... They won't have the money to even chase one, that's right one, freaking free agent, so they have no other choice but to focus on the draft... But guess what Vinny???? you have already given away 2 of our picks.... how great is it not having a 1st rounder the year you need it the most... the year you have to dump 10 players off your team because you were irresponsible in some of your previous signings..... Here's to ya, Vinny.... a squash player turned GM..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 But guess what Vinny???? you have already given away 2 of our picks.... how great is it not having a 1st rounder the year you need it the most... the year you have to dump 10 players off your team because you were irresponsible in some of your previous signings..... Dude, you know Gibbs is his boss, right? Gibbs did agree with this as well, so you'd have to "blame" him as well. Also, you could say not having a 1st round pick this year is a blessing, because the guys at the end of the first round don't really have a first round grade, and you don't have to clear cap room to pay a guy first round money. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Skins.com is in spin mode right now, blaming the predicament the skins are in on the players union. That excuse only goes so far -- we're in the worst predicament of anyone in the league right now due to years of mismanaging the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Skins.com is in spin mode right now, blaming the predicament the skins are in on the players union. That excuse only goes so far -- we're in the worst predicament of anyone in the league right now due to years of mismanaging the cap. reluctantly i agree. i wouldn't call it necessarily mismanaging but skating the line too closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwebst1 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Dude, you know Gibbs is his boss, right? Gibbs did agree with this as well, so you'd have to "blame" him as well.Also, you could say not having a 1st round pick this year is a blessing, because the guys at the end of the first round don't really have a first round grade, and you don't have to clear cap room to pay a guy first round money. Jason yeah, I know..... I'm just bitter about this whole thing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Skins.com is in spin mode right now, blaming the predicament the skins are in on the players union. That excuse only goes so far -- we're in the worst predicament of anyone in the league right now due to years of mismanaging the cap. Wrong. First, there are a few teams who have HIGHER payroll numbers than the Skins. I bet you could even name them. Second, the "years of mismanaging the cap" you throw out there are only an issue right now at all because the CBA that everyone and his brother, both on the NFLPA and owner's side, thought was a slam dunk to be extended long before this eleventh hour crap, has fallen apart. And it's done that not because the Redskins are paying the price for doing something wrong or stupid, but because the NFLPA, and those owners who choose not to spend even up TO the cap---to say nothing of failing to effectively market their NFL franchise goldmines---have run squarely up against the future of the league; aggressive, effective marketers and guys aching to win who are unwilling to keep on subsidizing the inept or uninterested. Ooh. That felt good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Wrong. First, there are a few teams who have HIGHER payroll numbers than the Skins. I bet you could even name them. Second, the "years of mismanaging the cap" you throw out there are only an issue right now at all because the CBA that everyone and his brother, both on the NFLPA and owner's side, thought was a slam dunk to be extended long before this eleventh hour crap, has fallen apart. And it's done that not because the Redskins are paying the price for doing something wrong or stupid, but because the NFLPA, and those owners who choose not to spend even up TO the cap---to say nothing of failing to effectively market their NFL franchise goldmines---have run squarely up against the future of the league; aggressive, effective marketers and guys aching to win who are unwilling to keep on subsidizing the inept or uninterested. Ooh. That felt good. preach on my brother :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Yep, a couple teams do have higher payrolls. But they can make a few cuts and be under the cap. We're going to need unprecedented cooperation from our core players on top of cutting some key backups just to get under the cap. 2006 could be a very tough year. Some of it can be blamed on bad luck -- everyone thought the CBA was going to be extended -- but just as much can be blamed on cap mismanagement over the years. After all, there are 32 teams in the league and we're in the worst cap shape of all of them right now. Sometimes you just gotta look in the mirror. Damn, that felt good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Frankly, I think greedy owners who didn't spend on players are at fault, but we'll have a year to discuss and dissect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommd Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 We're going to need unprecedented cooperation from our core players on top of cutting some key backups just to get under the cap. 2006 could be a very tough year. It might not be as bad as everyone thinks. If we can keep our core players, and just lose some backups. I trust this coaching staff to get the new players ready. We won 10 games last year and went to the second round of the playoffs. I think we could still be pretty good next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I think we could be too -- especially if we have luck with the restructuring. My whole point was that the organization is at least somewhat to blame for this mess. Thank God for our amazing coach staff. We're gonna need them to coach some young guys up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I think we could be too -- especially if we have luck with the restructuring. My whole point was that the organization is at least somewhat to blame for this mess. Problem is, you can't just assume that a deal isn't going to happen, particularly for what is at stake for both sides. To be honest, I think this is going to hurt the Skins a lot less than some teams, since most of the guys they are going to let go are guys we'd probably get rid of anyways. Other teams so far are getting rid of guys who started for them. It is also apparent that this team DOES have a plan, and feels that it can execute it. We'll know for sure later this evening. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommd Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I think we could be too -- especially if we have luck with the restructuring. My whole point was that the organization is at least somewhat to blame for this mess. Thank God for our amazing coach staff. We're gonna need them to coach some young guys up. Amen, this coaching staff is amazing. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Yep, a couple teams do have higher payrolls. But they can make a few cuts and be under the cap. We're going to need unprecedented cooperation from our core players on top of cutting some key backups just to get under the cap. 2006 could be a very tough year. Some of it can be blamed on bad luck -- everyone thought the CBA was going to be extended -- but just as much can be blamed on cap mismanagement over the years. After all, there are 32 teams in the league and we're in the worst cap shape of all of them right now. Sometimes you just gotta look in the mirror. Damn, that felt good. There are other teams in worse shape. Did you even read Om's reply. This is common knowledge. I hope your as quick to praise the team if your doom and gloom is not realized tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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