Gun Control and Liberals? Help me here...

[Baculus]

Then, I apologize for my post. You're still a lefty.

Apology accepted. And I have been called worst. ;-)

[PokerPacker]

I have an assault rifle. I killed two deer with it, legally during hunting season. Is there a reason my rights should be infringed upon?

I love it how some will cry about the current administration trying to cut into our liberties while the same people attempt to do the same thing. (not aimed at you specifically, PP. Just a general observation)

Guns are not bad, evil or particularly dangerous. They provide a means for food for some. I can eat deer meat which is healthier then market purchased beef, for much less cost. It also provides enjoyment and entertainment for others. Just because you don't understand or agree with this, doesn't give you the right to infringe on my rights.

And what a strange bump. 11 months after the last post, and the bumper continues on like it was yesterday.

i think you misunderstood my post. i'm FOR guns. someone made a comment about assault rifles should be illegal, and a 9mm wouldn't protect you from uncle sam, so i rebutted with saying if my 9mm won't protect me, why shouldn't i be allowed an assault rifle to protect me?

[CrabR]

I consider myself on the left, and I own 17 guns. I see nothing wrong with gun control, I have never had a problem buying a gun I wanted, so what if I had to wait a week [when i bought my .44 magnum]

[rincewind]

Just read the initial post. The irony in it was so heavy you need a wheelbarrow. The guy complains about how the left stereotypes conservatives - yet the post plays on more liberal stereotypes than any post I've ever read. I'm very much against guns. Not just for gun control (hell, I don't even know the major pros/cons of gun control laws). I'm against guns, as there sole purpose is to hurt. Yet, I am nothing like the libs he describes. I've never had a ****ing latte in my life. I don't care if your guns are registered. I don't believe in the 'government is out to get us' conspiracies (which, by the way, I think the people that believe those are equally split among anti-gun people and pro-gun people). Get a grip, some people just don't like the idea of your average citizen owning a gun.

[21KO]

I consider myself on the left, and I own 17 guns. I see nothing wrong with gun control, I have never had a problem buying a gun I wanted, so what if I had to wait a week [when i bought my .44 magnum]

17 guns??? Why are you so paranoid?? You must be a gun-nut-wack-job that has to compensate for his tiny penis!!

/sarcasm

The fact that this thread was dug up speaks volumes about this place. Never get tired of rehashing the same old crap to the same old NON conclusion, do you guys? Too funny. Did you run out of Global Warming threads? :laugh:

And CrabR...if you (and others) had read the first post instead of just the title you would have seen I wasn't talking about the elusive "sane" liberal like yourself. I clearly specified the wackjobs. I don't hang around here often enough to really say, but I don't THINK there are any of those frequenting Extremeskins.

Granted, realizing how few people actually take the time to read a post, and prefer instead to jump immediately into whiny-ass mode, I should have added "wackjob" to the title. Maybe that would have resulted in a few less ruffled skirts. Sorry, ladies. Especially you, Midnight Judges. As I said, I don't spend much time here, but you do seem like you're one of the more "sensitive" types. I should have been more considerate.

To my like-minded and level headed fellow gun enthusiasts (on the right AND left), I chamber a shell in your honor! To the Democratic gun owners, a word of caution - before you pull that voting lever straight "D", check out your candidates position on this subject. You older Democrats especially - this isn't the same party you knew years ago. Just keep an eye out.

All this talk makes me want to dust off the Python and the SKS and take out some cans! Thank God I live in a country where I can DO that.

[21KO]

Just read the initial post. The irony in it was so heavy you need a wheelbarrow. The guy complains about how the left stereotypes conservatives - yet the post plays on more liberal stereotypes than any post I've ever read. I'm very much against guns. Not just for gun control (hell, I don't even know the major pros/cons of gun control laws). I'm against guns, as there sole purpose is to hurt. Yet, I am nothing like the libs he describes. I've never had a ****ing latte in my life. I don't care if your guns are registered. I don't believe in the 'government is out to get us' conspiracies (which, by the way, I think the people that believe those are equally split among anti-gun people and pro-gun people). Get a grip, some people just don't like the idea of your average citizen owning a gun.

Nice timing - and if your Mom was ever asleep in her bed and some guy busted through her window, wouldn't you like for her to be able to defend herself?

It happened to my Mom and she drew her 9mm and told the guy to leave. He did.

[SnyderShrugged]

I cant believe I missed out on this thread. But skimming through, I did manage to read this nonsense by Baculus. I imagine I'm reading it out of context. Still, this part of his post is just ridiculous! It's my right to own a sportscar. It's my right to own a large truck to run your pansy leftist ass off the road. And it's my right to own a gun(when the correct steps are taken for that legality) to protect myself.

Yes, way out of context. He's very 2nd ammendment friendly. It was a comparrison of the term "need"

[Burgold]

What I don't really get about the pro-gun folks is how a number of them are against registration. If you really want the gun for benign purposes (hunting, protection, shooting poor defenseless skeet or beer cans) than why be against registering for it? I think registration, background checks, and gun education should be a mandatory part of buying a gun. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to a law preventing someone from buying a gun unless they've earned a licence showing that they know how to handle it safely. I'm also very for the thirty day waiting period just because in my mind there's little reason to want a gun right there, right now. At the very worst it means that you need a little forethought and at the very best it provides a cooling off period or a chance to think a little harder.

[SnyderShrugged]

What I don't really get about the pro-gun folks is how a number of them are against registration. If you really want the gun for benign purposes (hunting, protection, shooting poor defenseless skeet or beer cans) than why be against registering for it? I think registration, background checks, and gun education should be a mandatory part of buying a gun. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to a law preventing someone from buying a gun unless they've earned a licence showing that they know how to handle it safely. I'm also very for the thirty day waiting period just because in my mind there's little reason to want a gun right there, right now. At the very worst it means that you need a little forethought and at the very best it provides a cooling off period or a chance to think a little harder.

History in some predominant "Leftist" places has shown that registration is far from benign and is in fact the first step towards confiscation of legally owned guns.

[The 12th Commandment]

What I don't really get about the pro-gun folks is how a number of them are against registration. If you really want the gun for benign purposes (hunting, protection, shooting poor defenseless skeet or beer cans) than why be against registering for it? I think registration, background checks, and gun education should be a mandatory part of buying a gun. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to a law preventing someone from buying a gun unless they've earned a licence showing that they know how to handle it safely. I'm also very for the thirty day waiting period just because in my mind there's little reason to want a gun right there, right now. At the very worst it means that you need a little forethought and at the very best it provides a cooling off period or a chance to think a little harder.

Some of the pro-gun folks are wack anti government hacks. I don't agree with the NRA for the most part. I have NO problem with waiting periods and background checks. I assume what they're afraid of is the givem an inch and the take a mile mentality. And to be honest, they are those, including some high level politicos who would take that mile given the opportunity. For the majority of us in the middle (as always) the fringes have to counter-act each other. :2cents:

[SnyderShrugged]

Some of the pro-gun folks are wack anti government hacks. I don't agree with the NRA for the most part. I have NO problem with waiting periods and background checks. I assume what they're afraid of is the givem an inch and the take a mile mentality. And to be honest, they are those, including some high level politicos who would take that mile given the opportunity. For the majority of us in the middle (as always) the fringes have to counter-act each other. :2cents:

case in point: whats the next logical step for a socialist to take after they succeed in banning Guns? Knife Control.....soon to be followed by "baseball bat control" and then "maybe Spoon Control"

Where does it end???

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/27/science/27knife.html?ex=1274846400&en=9ad2ad85d93c6a4a&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[Burgold]

case in point: whats the next logical step for a socialist to take after they succeed in banning Guns? Knife Control.....soon to be followed by "baseball bat control" and then "maybe Spoon Control"

Where does it end???

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/27/science/27knife.html?ex=1274846400&en=9ad2ad85d93c6a4a&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Nerf football control. Or maybe even (gasp) spitball control.

I guess it all depends on which neurosis is stronger in you. The fear of the crazy drunk guy with a gun or the fear of the out of control government stepping on you and squashing you. Both fears are to a degree irrational (heck, fear is irrational) but when placing things on a scale registration, waiting periods, and mandatory training makes more sense to me. I realize that won't stop black market gun sales or criminals getting guns, but it will make it at least one degree harder, which ain't all that bad.

[SnyderShrugged]

Nerf football control. Or maybe even (gasp) spitball control.

I guess it all depends on which neurosis is stronger in you. The fear of the crazy drunk guy with a gun or the fear of the out of control government stepping on you and squashing you. Both fears are to a degree irrational (heck, fear is irrational) but when placing things on a scale registration, waiting periods, and mandatory training makes more sense to me. I realize that won't stop black market gun sales or criminals getting guns, but it will make it at least one degree harder, which ain't all that bad.

except the main difference in these "neuroses" that you are describing is that One (The Gov't control) has already manifested itself here and elsewhere.

So to say it's irrational is in itself...irrational :2cents:

[rincewind]

Nice timing - and if your Mom was ever asleep in her bed and some guy busted through her window, wouldn't you like for her to be able to defend herself?

It happened to my Mom and she drew her 9mm and told the guy to leave. He did.

Yes, I would like for her defend herself. Though I'd much prefer she run. This is a typical question people always ask when I say I'm a pacifist - 'Well, what about this worst case scenario.' I guess I just don't live my life fearing the worst case scenario and it seems to have worked for me so far.

[SnyderShrugged]

Yes, I would like for her defend herself. Though I'd much prefer she run. This is a typical question people always ask when I say I'm a pacifist - 'Well, what about this worst case scenario.' I guess I just don't live my life fearing the worst case scenario and it seems to have worked for me so far.

Yes, and you will get exactly ONE chance to be wrong.

[rincewind]

Yes, and you will get exactly ONE chance to be wrong.

So be it...

[SnyderShrugged]

So be it...

understood. Now since that is a risk you have determined acceptable for you personally. Do you feel it's proper to mandate that risk to ALL others?

edit: sorry, that sounded a bit strong and attackish. more a hypothetical question.

[rincewind]

understood. Now since that is a risk you have determined acceptable for you personally. Do you feel it's proper to mandate that risk to ALL others?

edit: sorry, that sounded a bit strong and attackish. more a hypothetical question.

I don't like to ever impose my will on others. I just wish more people felt like I do.

edit - remember, I didn't say I'm for gun control laws. Just that I'm anti-gun.

[21KO]

So be it...

So be it.

And your Mom is raped and dead because of this thinking.

Unreal.

[rincewind]

So be it.

And your Mom is raped and dead because of this thinking.

Unreal.

She is? When did this happen? Why am I just now hearing about it? And on a message board?!?!?!? I'm sorry, I have to go and make funeral arrangements.

[SnyderShrugged]

I don't like to ever impose my will on others. I just wish more people felt like I do.

edit - remember, I didn't say I'm for gun control laws. Just that I'm anti-gun.

Oh no problem, I didnt mean to infer that it was your desire for gun control laws.

many who are anti-gun personally are unfortunately not at all in the same vein though.

[21KO]

Yes, I would like for her defend herself. Though I'd much prefer she run. This is a typical question people always ask when I say I'm a pacifist - 'Well, what about this worst case scenario.' I guess I just don't live my life fearing the worst case scenario and it seems to have worked for me so far.

She's going to outrun her attacker? She a track star?

And "fearing" and "taking simple steps to prepare for" are two different things.

There's lots of dead people and rape victims who should have "feared" the worst case scenario, I guess. You've simply been lucky, that's all. You want to live your life that way, it's your choice. Don't begrudge those of us who don't think it will never happen to us.

[21KO]

She is? When did this happen? Why am I just now hearing about it? And on a message board?!?!?!? I'm sorry, I have to go and make funeral arrangements.

Good that you can be so flippant - let me borrow those rose-colored glasses sometime!

[rincewind]

Oh no problem, I didnt mean to infer that it was your desire for gun control laws.

many who are anti-gun personally are unfortunately not at all in the same vein though.

And I would say the same is true about pro-gun people. Case in point...

She's going to outrun her attacker? She a track star?

And "fearing" and "taking simple steps to prepare for" are two different things.

There's lots of dead people and rape victims who should have "feared" the worst case scenario, I guess. You've simply been lucky, that's all. You want to live your life that way, it's your choice. Don't begrudge those of us who don't think it will never happen to us.

Good that you can be so flippant - let me borrow those rose-colored glasses sometime!

[Fred Jones]

I know people that sleep with a gun next to their bed.

I know people that are never out in public without a concealed weapon. Sometimes more than one.

I know training instructors that work out of the NRA Headquarters here in Fairfax.

I know people that collect guns.

I know people that hunt and do it right by protecting the environment while they hunt.

I know people that are completely against guns.

I witnessed an anti-war/anti-violence protest in D.C.

I have at least one gun.

I have no problem with gun registration, background checks, and gun education.

Like any tool or device or whatever, you should know how to use it before using it. If you want to carry a gun you should be required to complete both classroom and firing range training.

People need to be taught some of the rules:

Never point a firearm at someone unless you intend to shoot them. (Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction)

Always treat firearms as if they are loaded.

Always keep your finger off the trigger unless you intent to shoot.

Know your target and what is beyond.

Never mix alcohol/drugs/prescription medication with guns.

You need to train and practice to familiarize yourself with how to use a gun correctly. This can be done at a firing range or a backyard if you live in open country.

It sure does sound like you need to be a safety conscious and responsible person to own and use a gun. Those people generally don't have issues with registrations, background checks, education and training.