jbooma Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Not the players, not the owners, but us, the fans. If a CBA is not reached we are the ones that will be hurt the most, and in different ways. The first is if we do go to an uncapped year, then most likely that will be the end of the salary cap. It will be very hard for the players to want to be in a deal that hurts their ability to make $$. If teams then do start spending like crazy then the fans will feel the wrath. Prices at games will go up, food, drinks, tickets. etc... we will be the ones paying the most in the long run. I am shocked the NFL owners would let such a good thing end, without an extension then all will change. No one knows what to expect, it is easy to say it will be like the 80's and 90's but we just do not know right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoGood28 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 They should all be ashamed for letting it come to this. I even heard that the old CBA was set up so that this day would never come. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPstretch Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 the nfl blew up the last few years and is hands down the most popular pro sport in the US. i think the owners were just loving all the money they were making and chose not to deal with it until....now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire071 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 yep, money money money. you know what they say can be evil ( the love of money is the root of all evil) including an uncapped season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 There's a great deal of merit to the fact the current system is destroying the game. The inability for teams to build consistency due to contract structures designed to one-up an earlier guy forces rookies who aren't ready onto the field too soon. Teams are in flux all the time, leading to a decline in play. While it can be exciting to know each year you can have 6 new division winners who were last place the year before, it is not enough benefit to offset a declining league with an unsustainable, flawed system. A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team . Problem is, what about fans of less fortunate teams? I don't argue that certain aspects of the system is flawed (The Franchise Tag has never worked as designed.), but I don't think the whole system needs to be blown up to fix it. The last thing I want is the NFL to become baseball. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I agree with Art. I HATE the CBA! It means that for all intents, the days of a Darrell Green staying at one team has been over for years. DG only stayed during the latter years because he was willing to forego more money in lieu of staying where he wanted to be! Why shouldn't there be perennial winners like in the 70s and 80s (Skins, 9ers, Steelers) who don't have to immediately start thinking after a Super Bowl win how they're going to repeat next year with the loss due to free agency several key players? Why shouldn't fans be able to see their favorite players year after year? Why should a team have to get rid of a key player because they can't "stay under the cap" and keep that player too? WHY should the Skins, Cowboys, Patriots, etc have to share equally their much higher revenues derived through spending more money and marketing their team better than the cheapskate bottom-dwellers like Bill Bidwill? If I were a Cardinals fan, I would be VERY distressed about the end of the CBA. But fortunately, we are Redskins fans. I believe the end of the CBA is very positive for the Redskins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Super Bowls Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 There's a great deal of merit to the fact the current system is destroying the game. The inability for teams to build consistency due to contract structures designed to one-up an earlier guy forces rookies who aren't ready onto the field too soon. Teams are in flux all the time, leading to a decline in play. While it can be exciting to know each year you can have 6 new division winners who were last place the year before, it is not enough benefit to offset a declining league with an unsustainable, flawed system.A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team . I agree with you regarding the quality of the teams. I would like to hear what you have to say about this. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146220 It is a cap that keeps teams from being awful, but allows for teams to keep their better players (Drafted) without taking a big cap hit to do so. Also forces the Vikings and Cardinals to actually spend some money. Having said all this, I still think a deal gets done Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Problem is, what about fans of less fortunate teams? Screw the Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 If the fans are getting screwed, it's only because we're not exercising our power ... the players go on strike, the owners lock them out, and what do we do? We keep buying tickets, merchandise, and we're addicted to a freakin' internet messageboard ... The fans aren't going to get anything unless we stand up for our rights, so here's the plan: All season ticket holders should show their frustration by canceling their tickets right now! Then the owners will start listening to us!Who's with me! How else am I going to get off the waiting list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz1972 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Problem is, what about fans of less I don't argue that certain aspects of the system is flawed (The Franchise Tag has never worked as designed.), but I don't think the whole system needs to be blown up to fix it. The last thing I want is the NFL to become baseball. Jason fortunate teams? if they improve their product the way danny has,they'd be more fortunate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Some owners get hurt and many players get hurt. Lets be honest, a LOT of different people hurt if no CBA extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalDragon Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 There's a great deal of merit to the fact the current system is destroying the game. The inability for teams to build consistency due to contract structures designed to one-up an earlier guy forces rookies who aren't ready onto the field too soon. Teams are in flux all the time, leading to a decline in play. While it can be exciting to know each year you can have 6 new division winners who were last place the year before, it is not enough benefit to offset a declining league with an unsustainable, flawed system.A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team . I'm greatly against a non-salary cap system but that was the first time anyone has made me question it. How would you feel about, instead of a team salary cap, a player salary cap? The NHL has a player salary cap I believe and the NBA has maximum deal contracts. What if the NFL has something similar to the NBA where no one team can offer more than another, to an extent. With a system like this, star players will not be going to the team offering the highest amount of money, as no team can offer more than the max deal, and will have to pick the team for other reasons. Instead of putting the cap on the team, but it on the players. This will allow the more prosperous owners to do what suits them, like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I'm greatly against a non-salary cap system but that was the first time anyone has made me question it. How would you feel about, instead of a team salary cap, a player salary cap? The NHL has a player salary cap I believe and the NBA has maximum deal contracts. What if the NFL has something similar to the NBA where no one team can offer more than another, to an extent. With a system like this, star players will not be going to the team offering the highest amount of money, as no team can offer more than the max deal, and will have to pick the team for other reasons. Instead of putting the cap on the team, but it on the players. This will allow the more prosperous owners to do what suits them, like you said. I'm not sure what the point of a player cap would be. We certainly don't want to copy the NBA's plan which essentially has a cap system that locks you in for several years of being VERY bad if your moves don't work out, with no flexibility at all. You are a young fan who may view the cap as a key ingredient to the success of the league. The cap was brought in to create a parity impossible without it. It accomplished that parity, but, the downside is it also has created a system that hurts the overall level of the game and fundamentally alters the element of TEAM that makes a sport successful. While having a cap wouldn't be the end of the world, the fact that not having one will actually improve core teams and create great stories with longer running dynasty type teams, rebuilding rivalaries and the like, is good, though it will take somewhat away from parity. A team like ours will be among those able to really take advantage of a non-capped league. As a fan of the Redskins, you should be happy about that prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 If teams then do start spending like crazy then the fans will feel the wrath. Prices at games will go up, food, drinks, tickets. etc... we will be the ones paying the most in the long run. Good point. If prices go up any higher on any of these things, I will have to strongly consider watching the Skins from my couch instead of attending. I may even close my eyes and ears during the commercials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefPowhatan17 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Yeah, but the uncapped year is 2007. So we will have to suffer through a 2006 that we should've been on of the favorites. But, we would have to cut half the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornWithin Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 There's a great deal of merit to the fact the current system is destroying the game. The inability for teams to build consistency due to contract structures designed to one-up an earlier guy forces rookies who aren't ready onto the field too soon. Teams are in flux all the time, leading to a decline in play. While it can be exciting to know each year you can have 6 new division winners who were last place the year before, it is not enough benefit to offset a declining league with an unsustainable, flawed system.A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team . Well said. Anyone who thinks today's game of football is "good football" is asleep at the wheel. Let each franchise be run the way it wants to be run, no caps, no limitations. One thing is sure true...with an uncapped year, there's a hell of a chance the Cowboys/Redskins rivalry will return to its former grandeur...considering the amount of ammo each franchise has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Personally I think the 'grandeur' of the Skins/Cowboys rivalry came from the fact that the same players were on each team year after year. I remember as a kid truly hating the Cowboy players. Now, I hate them because of the color of the helmet they are wearing, not because of who they are and the history of their play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Let me ask the question again to all of you season-ticket holders... if there is a strike or lockout, do you renew your seats when all is said and done? I'm not so sure I will. It's ridiculous you have billionaires squabbling over money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I'm with you. I have been a season ticket holder for about 8 years now. The Washington Redskins are one of my favorite things in life. I go to the stadium and the money I usually spend per game inside the stadium is usually around 60 bucks. I get some drinks, maybe a hat every once in a while. Business owners call this RPP (rate per person) If Dan Snyder has to raise his overhead he is going to inherently raise his RPP. So monetarily it gets more strenuous to go to a game. I will probably still pay it but I won't be happy about it. If everyone else agreed to boycott it then I would as well. My biggest fear is the diminishing of my overall enjoyment of the game of football. I watch football in every time slot available. I watch MNF, SNF, TNF. Any time the NFL has a game on and I am not attending it, I am watching it. I am also usually betting on it. It is a huge part of my life for 6 months or so a year. I don't want to watch the Megabucks team play the minniemouse team. Think about how borderline bad MNF is right now. Some of the matchups are garbage. Imagine how bad itis going to be when the pool of competitive teams is down to nine. The Redskins and Cowboys will have to play both of their games on MNF just to round out a competitive schedule. It is not a good thing for the GAME of football. You are absolutely correct. The fans are the ones who make this thing go and we are also the ones who get a big fat "Duece Staley" dropped on us when money is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 "There's a great deal of merit to the fact the current system is destroying the game. The inability for teams to build consistency due to contract structures designed to one-up an earlier guy forces rookies who aren't ready onto the field too soon. Teams are in flux all the time, leading to a decline in play. While it can be exciting to know each year you can have 6 new division winners who were last place the year before, it is not enough benefit to offset a declining league with an unsustainable, flawed system. A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team ." oh yea. I do like this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamshatterer Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 No one knows what to expect, it is easy to say it will be like the 80's and 90's but we just do not know right now. So why say all of that other stuff that you said prior to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 "Personally I think the 'grandeur' of the Skins/Cowboys rivalry came from the fact that the same players were on each team year after year. I remember as a kid truly hating the Cowboy players. Now, I hate them because of the color of the helmet they are wearing, not because of who they are and the history of their play." yup. diron talbert, roger staubach....you could love/hate the same cast of characters from year to year...now?...it's like a revolving door with much, much less identity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 There's a great deal of merit to the fact the current system is destroying the game. The inability for teams to build consistency due to contract structures designed to one-up an earlier guy forces rookies who aren't ready onto the field too soon. Teams are in flux all the time, leading to a decline in play. While it can be exciting to know each year you can have 6 new division winners who were last place the year before, it is not enough benefit to offset a declining league with an unsustainable, flawed system.A number of solutions are possible, but, in the end, simply letting teams do business in a way that suits the owner running the organization works well enough for a fan of our team . I agree there, the quailty of the play in the league has been going down hill. The fact teams are throwing 1 adn 2nd year qbs in the game all the time shows how bad the play is. There has to be somehow we can make it competitive for all and still have a good quailty product. For those that think the low reveunue teams are at fault, wake up when you make 150 million and you have to split 60% of that with your players is different when you make 250+ and you split the same 60% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I agree there, the quailty of the play in the league has been going down hill. The fact teams are throwing 1 adn 2nd year qbs in the game all the time shows how bad the play is. There has to be somehow we can make it competitive for all and still have a good quailty product.For those that think the low reveunue teams are at fault, wake up when you make 150 million and you have to split 60% of that with your players is different when you make 250+ and you split the same 60% A flat tax is a good idea, JB. I know the lefty among us thinks those who make more should not only pay more, but pay a higher percentage TOO, but, in reality, simply paying the same percentage is fair enough, as it allows better business to be better business. More importantly, you're missing the key fact that makes this the fault of the small-market teams. They want to share the revenue of the higher market teams, meaning, they get a check from them. Then, they don't want to spend that money at the same rate. They essentially want welfare. You can't believe that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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