Winslowalrob Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I like Snyder and all, but one good year does not a franchise make. He bought out one of the biggest market teams with one of the largest national fanbases, and its not like he ressurected a Redskin team on the verge of being moved to Jacksonville. He is a savvy businessman, and he has bills to pay, but 2 or 3 years ago I would certainly not have "had his back" concerning the CBA. Now he is the finest owner that ever walked the earth? There is a fundmental difference between running a regular business and being a team owner; the latter does not have typical shareholders. If one were to judge a football team, do you look at profits or wins? I am not arguing for which is a better indicator, but if anyone chose the latter then Snyder has been a terrible owner, though not for the lack of trying. Perhaps in a perfect market, there would be no wins or losses in the NFL, and teams were judged solely on revenue, at which point the people that decry revenue sharing might have a point. Last time I checked the NFL was not a perfect market, and the stock that fans can by is the victories their teams earn. Rant over, just keep stuff in perspective guys. I hope the league does not suffer because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Rant over, just keep stuff in perspective guys. I hope the league does not suffer because of this. Keep stuff in perspective? You mean say, trying his damndest to build a winning team around five different coaches, each with his own idea of how personell should be hired? Or the fact that he will try and do absolutely everything possible to try and make the experience for the players as best as possible for them (catered plane rides by Mortons anyone?), or say addressing the public's concerns such as oh, lack of port a johns in the parking lots....you mean that kind of perspective? Dan Snyder is a fan of the redskins...remember, he followed them in his childhood and such. You may want to keep that in perspective before posting drivel like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 You don't hafta reply to drivel . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I don't know if you're a real football junkie (listen to all the sports talk radio shows, read all the papers, web sites, and such) but if you are, then you would know how much everyone else hates him and how much bandwagon hate he gets I give dude benefit of the doubt, I truley believe he wants this team to keep winning just as much as I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostOfLamontHollinquest Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 To answer your question: I think the Saunders hiring had alot to do with it, or at least that renewed it in people that put their faith in Snyder after the Gibbs signing. The Saunders hiring appears a very savvy move on Snyder's part in the eyes of all Redskins fans, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slm2856 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I think its obvious that Dan Synder has gone above and beyond other NFL owners in increasing his teams revenues. Why should he have to split that revenue with owners who don't do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I think the negotiations over the CBA are in Snyders wheelhouse so to speak. Your right about football operations, he had a lot to learn and is still learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie4redskins Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 You don't hafta reply to drivel . Sure you do. Especially when you don't realize how spoiled rotten we are. We could be forever in NFL purgatory with owners like Bidwell who won't spend a dime, or Modell who will up and steal our beloved franchise in the middle of the night. For all of Snyder's past mistakes, he learns from them and doesn't make the same mistake twice. He is doing everything under the sun he possibly can to rebuild the Redskins glory and storied tradition. He brought back COACH JOE JACKSON GIBBS and he bows to every whim of the Hall of Fame Coach. And your problem is what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 where have you been the last 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Keep stuff in perspective? You mean say, trying his damndest to build a winning team around five different coaches, each with his own idea of how personell should be hired? Or the fact that he will try and do absolutely everything possible to try and make the experience for the players as best as possible for them (catered plane rides by Mortons anyone?), or say addressing the public's concerns such as oh, lack of port a johns in the parking lots....you mean that kind of perspective? Dan Snyder is a fan of the redskins...remember, he followed them in his childhood and such. You may want to keep that in perspective before posting drivel like this. Nicely posted. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxprodigyxx Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 You should be used to the bi-polarness of fans. One day someone can be the toast of the town. Then the next day he is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 If one were to judge a football team, do you look at profits or wins? I am not arguing for which is a better indicator, but if anyone chose the latter then Snyder has been a terrible owner, though not for the lack of trying. You don't necessarily judge an owner by wins and losses like you do a coach. You judge his actions. Now his actions have not always resulted in success but you would be hard pressed to argue that he hasn't tried his hardest to win at every turn. Snyder has made more than his fair share of mistakes since he got here but as we sit here in 2006 I am damn happy he is the owner of the Washington Redskins (and just as happy he is not the owner of the Dallas Cowboys.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 You should be used to the bi-polarness of fans. One day someone can be the toast of the town. Then the next day he is toast. I was just trying to point that out. But I am a spoiled rotten poster who shoves drivel on the board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxprodigyxx Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I was just trying to point that out. But I am a spoiled rotten poster who shoves drivel on the board... I figured. I mean, so many people were crucifying Gibbs last season wondering if he didn't have IT anymore. Now that we're in the playoffs he's the supreme genius who can never be wrong. Fans just love the highs and the lows...what can I say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 You don't necessarily judge an owner by wins and losses like you do a coach. You judge his actions. Now his actions have not always resulted in success but you would be hard pressed to argue that he hasn't tried his hardest to win at every turn. Snyder has made more than his fair share of mistakes since he got here but as we sit here in 2006 I am damn happy he is the owner of the Washington Redskins (and just as happy he is not the owner of the Dallas Cowboys.) Then is an owner a CEO in the typical sense? I am playing a little devil's advocate to get the "kapitalism is king" people to realize there are differences between the NFL model and the stuff they were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Time preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Then is an owner a CEO in the typical sense? I am playing a little devil's advocate to get the "kapitalism is king" people to realize there are differences between the NFL model and the stuff they were talking about. My problem with what you are saying is that you seem to be implying that all Snyder cares about is making money. Snyder screws with the fans in a lot of little ways but he gives Redskins fans the #1 asset that I look for in an owner. He wants to win and isn't afraid to open his pocket book to do it. In fact he is always looking for inventive ways to get around the salary cap. And by the way, calling him "Synder" tells me all I need to know about your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 It definately doesn't come from the same place where wet blankets are found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Here is a list of Snyder's "Sins" since he took over: 1. (1999) Fired Charlie Casserly--Casserly well respected around NFL circles but IMO he was the worst GM in the history of the franchise. 2. (2000) Went on franchise football spending spree that netted a bunch of over the hill ex-stars and cost the team Brian Mitchell & Darrell Green. This is the biggest sin IMO. 3. (2000) Fired Norv Turner with 3 games left in the season. Team in the midst of common second half collapse under Norv. Norval needed to go. 4. (2001) Fired Marty Schottenheimer after one season because Marty wouldn't let Danny know what was going on. Marty currently in hot water in SD for a similar reason. 5. (2002-2003) Hired college coach with no NFL experience and allowed him to run team into the ground. Catches a lot of grief in retrospect but at the time this was lauded as a great hire. 6. (2004) Hired one of the greatest (if not the greatest) coaches in NFL history to bring the team back to prominence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Here is a list of Snyder's "Sins" since he took over:1. (1999) Fired Charlie Casserly--Casserly well respected around NFL circles but IMO he was the worst GM in the history of the franchise. 2. (2000) Went on franchise football spending spree that netted a bunch of over the hill ex-stars and cost the team Brian Mitchell & Darrell Green. This is the biggest sin IMO. 3. (2000) Fired Norv Turner with 3 games left in the season. Team in the midst of common second half collapse under Norv. Norval needed to go. 4. (2001) Fired Marty Schottenheimer after one season because Marty wouldn't let Danny know what was going on. Marty currently in hot water in SD for a similar reason. 5. (2002-2003) Hired college coach with no NFL experience and allowed him to run team into the ground. Catches a lot of grief in retrospect but at the time this was lauded as a great hire. 6. (2004) Hired one of the greatest (if not the greatest) coaches in NFL history to bring the team back to prominence. green left after spurriers first season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I don't get the sudden Danny love either. I think he was saved from himself when Gibbs woke up one morning and decided to coach again. If Dick Jauron was our coach, things would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 You should be used to the bi-polarness of fans. One day someone can be the toast of the town. Then the next day he is toast. that would be borderline personality disorder, not bipolar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I was just trying to point that out. But I am a spoiled rotten poster who shoves drivel on the board... That's gonna be a long board-name if you make the change :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 green left after spurriers first season I meant it cost him his starting spot. I still think the signing of Deion was the biggest cause for the team's failure that year. Darrell Green and Brian Mitchell were two of the biggest lockerroom presences and all of a sudden Mitchell is gone and Green's starting position is gone as well as much of his influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Amazing what hiring Joe Gibbs can do for ones public image. Especially when you also name him President and basically defer all football related decisions to him and his staff. ESPECIALLY when your one and only football related contribution is spending money to allow Coach Gibbs the freedom to guide the team as he sees fit. ESPECIALLY SQUARED when you hire the staff Gibbs asks for and pay them 4-5 times the market rate for assistant coaches. I dunno, seems like Danny has turned a corner. Im glad he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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