Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Eagles Look To Formulate "poison pill" By Scout.com Date: Feb 26, 2006 Perhaps one of the reasons the Eagles aren't looking to bring back Jon Runyan is because they've made Seattle's Steve Hutchinson their prime target. The addition of Hutchinson could be costly, but it would give the Eagles the offensive lineman that they need. The Philadelphia Eagles, armed with a decent amount of salary cap room, have very strong interest in signing Seattle Seahawks G Steve Hutchinson who was designated as Seattle’s transition player earlier this week. A transition player designation gives the team the right of first-refusal to match within seven days of an offer sheet being given to the player by another team after his contract expires (which is March 3). If the team matches the offer sheet, they retain the player. If they choose not to, they will not receive compensation. According to a source familiar with the situation, the Eagles are looking at designing a contract which will make it hard for Seattle to match. The Eagles have one of the best capologists in Joe Banner who put together a contract for then free agent DE Jevon Kearse a few years ago that made it very difficult for the Tennessee Titans to match. The Eagles, according to the source, could put together the so-called “poison pill contract.” This kind of contract is usually front loaded which makes it hard for the originating team to match. It should be noted that Seattle has around $20 million in cap space which is believed to be more than Philadelphia has at this point. Also, according to a source with knowledge of the situation, it’s “highly unlikely” the Eagles will re-sign starting right tackle Jon Runyan. The plan, as of now, would be to move starting right guard Shawn Andrews or second-year offensive lineman Todd Herremans in to his spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Link: http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=114&p=2&c=502993&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fseahawks.scout.com%2f2%2f502993.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shallyshal Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Eagles Look To Formulate "poison pill" By Scout.com Date: Feb 26, 2006 Perhaps one of the reasons the Eagles aren't looking to bring back Jon Runyan is because they've made Seattle's Steve Hutchinson their prime target. The addition of Hutchinson could be costly, but it would give the Eagles the offensive lineman that they need. The Philadelphia Eagles, armed with a decent amount of salary cap room, have very strong interest in signing Seattle Seahawks G Steve Hutchinson who was designated as Seattle’s transition player earlier this week. A transition player designation gives the team the right of first-refusal to match within seven days of an offer sheet being given to the player by another team after his contract expires (which is March 3). If the team matches the offer sheet, they retain the player. If they choose not to, they will not receive compensation. According to a source familiar with the situation, the Eagles are looking at designing a contract which will make it hard for Seattle to match. The Eagles have one of the best capologists in Joe Banner who put together a contract for then free agent DE Jevon Kearse a few years ago that made it very difficult for the Tennessee Titans to match. The Eagles, according to the source, could put together the so-called “poison pill contract.” This kind of contract is usually front loaded which makes it hard for the originating team to match. It should be noted that Seattle has around $20 million in cap space which is believed to be more than Philadelphia has at this point. Also, according to a source with knowledge of the situation, it’s “highly unlikely” the Eagles will re-sign starting right tackle Jon Runyan. The plan, as of now, would be to move starting right guard Shawn Andrews or second-year offensive lineman Todd Herremans in to his spot subbing a guard for a tackle doesn't work (except for larry allen), and considering how badly the tackles performed for the eagles once thomas went out is not exactly re assuring. hutchinson is a great player, but my guess is that the seahawks swallow and match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 subbing a guard for a tackle doesn't work (except for larry allen), and considering how badly the tackles performed for the eagles once thomas went out is not exactly re assuring.hutchinson is a great player, but my guess is that the seahawks swallow and match Unless they can't with money having to be slotted for Alexander and Bernard. Also, I love the idea of this being the starting line next year: Thomas-Hutchinson-Jackson-Andrews-Herremens. BTW, how badly did the tackles perform? You just making that up or do you have any stats? Herremans played great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz1972 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Unless they can't with money having to be slotted for Alexander and Bernard. Also, I love the idea of this being the starting line next year:Thomas-Hutchinson-Jackson-Andrews-Herremens. BTW, how badly did the tackles perform? You just making that up or do you have any stats? Herremans played great. alexander should go to AFC,lets see if he can put up 1,800 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Seattle wont let him walk. Bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Seattle wont let him walk.Bet on it. Why didn't they franchise him if he was so important? If the Eagles give him a front loaded poison pill contract, they won't have much choice....unless they choose him over Alexander AND Bernard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Westbrook, Looking at the Offensive Line Stats from FootballOutsiders.com. Philadelphia's offensive line was near the bottom for run blocking, and about average at pass blocking. Looking closer at the running stats, left end and tackle plays did well, but anything from the left guard over to the right end was not good. You know better who was playing there, but I'd say getting rid of Runyan for Hutchinson makes sense... but it seems like the Eagles would still need another solid offensive lineman. If the you guys swap in Hutchinsen, swap out Runyan, and return a player from injury ala Jansen, than it should be enough of an upgrade to move the line to above average to average (top 10 to 16). Also, since these are running stats we have to take into account the fact that you guys had that strange run-pass ratio last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hicks at LG is the weakest part of the line. That is saying a lot from a team that starts Fraley at Center (I hope Jackson beats him out). That being said, the interior of the line is a priority. We aren't drafting a RB. Why not get the best run blocking guard in the NFL to make life easier for Westbrook? I love this move. No more need to draft an OL in round one.....then we can take the fast rising B Bunkley (DT, 44 reps at combine) to pair with Patterson for the next 8 years or so. :drool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Large_Ant Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Why didn't they franchise him if he was so important? If the Eagles give him a front loaded poison pill contract, they won't have much choice....unless they choose him over Alexander AND Bernard. I think you're overestimating how important Shaun Alexander and Rocky Bernard are to this team. Rocky Bernard is a great situational guy but he's not even a starter. They'll make him an offer but he's the most replacable out of all of the three of these guys. If they let Ken Lucas and Chike Okeafor walk last year, I think they'll let Rocky go. Then there's the issue of Shaun the 29 year old RB who wants to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. Again, they'll try to sign him to something realistic... or they'll let him walk too. As far as Hutchinson, the reason they didn't franchise him is probably because they have no desire to "play tag" with him every year like they did with Walter Jones. Nobody comes after even the best players when they've got to yield two picks so the guy plays for the inflated tender year after year until something gives. But with the transition tag, teams will undoubtedly come after him with their "poison pill" contracts. I think what applying the transition tag says is "Let the market tell us what market value is and we'll pay it." But don't take my word for it. Look at the "Notes" section at the bottom of this article. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002829210_combine26.html Holmgren said he feels confident about the Seahawks' impending free-agency situation. He thinks the team will be able to re-sign safety Marquand Manuel, who proved valuable after Ken Hamlin was lost to season-ending injuries, and has told the recent recipient of the team's transition tag, left guard Steve Hutchinson, that "he's not going anywhere." Sounds pretty definitive to me. But good news! I hear some of the Cardinals offensive linemen will be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 So, the Eagles will let Runyan walk and spend cap on an OL from another team...hmmm. Occam's razor: Pay Runyan more money. He's familiar with the system, says he 'wants to be an Eagle', and is a very good player. But, he's going to be TOO EXPENSIVE for the cheap Eagles' FO. Remember, it's very important to build the cap (i.e., not pay the players allocated CBA funds.) The Eagles should be more concerned about the D-Line...that should be their priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgunner Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Eagles are desperaste for any help and look to patch a hole on their leaking line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpsEagles Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 But, he's going to be TOO EXPENSIVE for the cheap Eagles' FO. Remember, it's very important to build the cap (i.e., not pay the players allocated CBA funds.) The Eagles should be more concerned about the D-Line...that should be their priority. With every post you write I am simply amazed that you don't work for an NFL team's front office. You're brilliant and you know more than any front office personnel guy out there..... far more than Heckert, Reid and Banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 With every post you write I am simply amazed that you don't work for an NFL team's front office. You're brilliant and you know more than any front office personnel guy out there..... far more than Heckert, Reid and Banner. Way to add to the conversation. :doh: Hutchinson will stay in Seattle is my guess. 1) If they really want to try out Herremans at tackle for all 16 games, I guess the time is now. He started 4 games at LT, they have to let Runyan go if this is what they are thinking, but make no mistake, this is a downgrade from Runyan. Plus, he's starting on the other side. 2) I don't think Andrews will be able to make the switch to tackle. He's a guard for now, maybe forever. If they make no moves my guess is they'll start Herremans, Andrews, Jackson, Hicks, Thomas. I already stated in another thread the odds are against Thomas post surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Why didn't they franchise him if he was so important? If the Eagles give him a front loaded poison pill contract, they won't have much choice....unless they choose him over Alexander AND Bernard. The reason that the Eagles got away with the "poison pill" contract for Kearse had more to do with the Titans cap situation than anything. The Seahawks have much more leeway than the Titans did and even more than the Eagles so I don't think they're quite afraid of how the eagles will structure a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 With every post you write I am simply amazed that you don't work for an NFL team's front office. You're brilliant and you know more than any front office personnel guy out there..... far more than Heckert, Reid and Banner. Instead of bashing me, why don't you postulate as to why the Eagles won't re-sign Runyan, considering they have so much cap space? Sounds like the Eagles have 'grass is greener' syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hutchinson is a beast and would be a great addition, but I don't think he leaves Seattle unless Philly makes a crazy offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hutchinson is a beast and would be a great addition, but I don't think he leaves Seattle unless Philly makes a crazy offer. That pretty much sums it up. Hutchinson won't be leaving, and even if he does, it still leaves the team with problems at tackle. The Eagles will take a step back in terms of O-line this year to test out it's talent. It will concentrate on defense and WR IMO, maybe Boerighter as a TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 So, the Eagles will let Runyan walk and spend cap on an OL from another team...hmmm. Occam's razor: Pay Runyan more money. He's familiar with the system, says he 'wants to be an Eagle', and is a very good player. But, he's going to be TOO EXPENSIVE for the cheap Eagles' FO. Remember, it's very important to build the cap (i.e., not pay the players allocated CBA funds.) The Eagles should be more concerned about the D-Line...that should be their priority. Hutchinson is 28, Runyan is 33 or 34. Plus, my plan for the D-Line is drafting Brockerick Bunkley. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 That pretty much sums it up.Hutchinson won't be leaving, and even if he does, it still leaves the team with problems at tackle. The Eagles will take a step back in terms of O-line this year to test out it's talent. It will concentrate on defense and WR IMO, maybe Boerighter as a TE. If the Eagles sign Hutch and let Runyan go, I'm going to have to disagree with you and say our line will be much improved. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 It's not too bad moving from T to G, but it's really hard to move from G to T. Hutchinson is a beast, but is it worth it if it causes another weakness at T? Either way I agree with HeHateMe, Seattle will resign him, poison pill contract or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fight_on_til_you_have_won Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 As far as Hutchinson, the reason they didn't franchise him is probably because they have no desire to "play tag" with him every year like they did with Walter Jones. :applause: Yeah, I don't think Seattle wants the annual holdout either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Well, at least we have established that you guys think Hutch is great.....you know, in case the Eagles sign him and then you try to claim he actually sucks. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Westbrook I wish you would just take a "poison pill" Seriously though? We aren't drafting a RB. Why not get the best run blocking guard in the NFL to make life easier for Westbrook? Who has it easier than Westbrook? He's a running back that never has to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 If the Eagles sign Hutch and let Runyan go, I'm going to have to disagree with you and say our line will be much improved. We'll see.Who said the line won't be improved by adding Hutch?I'm saying Hutchinson isn't coming because Seattle doesn't want him to leave. You can get away with Hicks and Clarke at G. It's tackle thats a problem. Realize that by adding Hutchinson, you make the line better, it just makes the problems at tackle less noticable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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