#1SkinsFan Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Jets | Abraham says it is time to move on Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:58:12 -0800 Steve Serby, of the New York Post, reports New York Jets franchised DE John Abraham is more than ready to leave the Jets. "I don't think they really respect me as a player," Abraham told The Post yesterday in his first public remarks since being slapped with the $8.3 million franchise tag. "I feel I overstayed my welcome in New York. It's time to move on." What particularly irks Abraham is the silent treatment he's gotten from the Jets. "Their communication was really bad with me throughout the whole year," he said. There are rumblings that new head coach Eric Mangini and general manager Mike Tannenbaum will explore trading Abraham between now and the April 29 NFL Draft. Abraham has yet to sign the $8.3 franchise tender. Asked if he plans on signing it, Abraham said: "I'm not sure. It's according to what they're going to do. No one from that organization has called me personally." So Abraham wants to leave, and the Jets are still trying to trade to get Ramsey from us. Jets | Team still trying to trade for Ramsey Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:56:59 -0800 The New York Daily News reports the New York Jets are still working on a trade with the Washington Redskins for QB Patrick Ramsey. Sounds like the perfect match for me. We trade Ramsey to the Jets for Abraham straight up. Or Ramsey and a 3rd or 4th to the Jets for Abraham. Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 So Abraham wants to leave, and the Jets are still trying to trade to get Ramsey from us. Sounds like the perfect match for me. We trade Ramsey to the Jets fro Abraham straight up. Or Ramsey and a 3rd or 4th to the Jets for Abraham. Perfect! Unless Abraham wants big $$$, then its impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFan63 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Yeah, he probably will want a nice premium. Cha Ching! Hail!:point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Abraham might be worth Ramsey and a 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 It's pretty evident, that a Ramsey for Abraham sort of deal is in the works. Here are the clues I am seeing: 1) Skins cannot afford Abe until a new CBA is done. So we aren't pulling the trigger unless the CBA gets done soon. 2) We could easily just take a draft pick now, and save the space with no problems with or without the CBA. 3) The Jets are also seeing if Pennington will take a pay cut or not before they make there move. So my thoughts are, if the Jets and Skins were just doing a Ramsey for draft pick deal, it would have been done by now. But were not, Abraham is in the works, and unless the CBA doesn't get done, Abe will be a Skin. Not saying I want him, but thats my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted February 26, 2006 Author Share Posted February 26, 2006 Abraham might be worth Ramsey and a 2nd rounder. Thats too much. 3rd at the least, maybe a 4th. *BTW, I like your sig. That guy spun like a helicopter. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VI_SkinsFan Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 That move sounds great to me. Abraham is the perfect pass-rushing DE that we need. I think I would throw in a 3rd or 4th round pick to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Abraham might be worth Ramsey and a 2nd rounder. a startng QB value > a starting DE value Abraham and a 2nd rounder, might be worth Ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 We wont need to throw any picks in at all. the Jets are 25 mill over. Trading Abe to us, will lessen there number bye 8.3 mill. Thats enough incentive right there to get this done fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted February 26, 2006 Author Share Posted February 26, 2006 a startng QB value > a starting DE value Abraham and a 2nd rounder, might be worth Ramsey never thought about it that way. We could be on the winning side of the deal if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 never thought about it that way. We could be on the winning side of the deal if that happens. The problem is, Abe has proven he is a starting DE in this league. Ramsey hasn't proven squat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 The problem is, Abe has proven he is a starting DE in this league. Ramsey hasn't proven squat! I don't know about that. Ramsey right now is better than any QB the Jets currently have and that includes Pennington. We know Ramsey can take a hit and not shatter into a hundred pieces like Chad so that's an automatic upgrade for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Abraham and a 2nd rounder, might be worth Ramsey Lets not go crazy. I think Ramsey for Abe straight up is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 a startng QB value > a starting DE value Abraham and a 2nd rounder, might be worth Ramsey We would be hard-pressed to find a suitor for Ramsey that would be willing to give up a 2nd rounder alone, let alone a stud defensive end and a 2nd round pick. Look at it this way: the Jets could easily get a 3rd rounder for Abraham, and likely a 2nd rounder +. If we were offered a 3rd rounder for Ramsey, I am pretty sure we would be ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted February 26, 2006 Author Share Posted February 26, 2006 I don't know about that. Ramsey right now is better than any QB the Jets currently have and that includes Pennington. We know Ramsey can take a hit and not shatter into a hundred pieces like Chad so that's an automatic upgrade for them. Exactly, and with the Jets not knowing if they are going to keep Pennington or not, this would definetly make things easier for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I don't know about that. Ramsey right now is better than any QB the Jets currently have and that includes Pennington. We know Ramsey can take a hit and not shatter into a hundred pieces like Chad so that's an automatic upgrade for them. Well im not saying Ramsey can"t be better than Chad, im saying he hasn't proven he can. Also there are alot of QBs out there who can be just as good. If we can do Ramsey for Chad straight up, thats good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autographcollector Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 We can't afford him under our cap anyway....stop dreaming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted February 26, 2006 Author Share Posted February 26, 2006 We can't afford him under our cap anyway....stop dreaming... Next year, it could still be a possibility. Or we could just trade Ramsey for one of their draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Well we can afford him under the cap if we get an extension to the CBA. That will definitley allow us to backload his contract and fit him under this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 It's pretty evident, that a Ramsey for Abraham sort of deal is in the works. Here are the clues I am seeing:1) Skins cannot afford Abe until a new CBA is done. So we aren't pulling the trigger unless the CBA gets done soon. 2) We could easily just take a draft pick now, and save the space with no problems with or without the CBA. 3) The Jets are also seeing if Pennington will take a pay cut or not before they make there move. So my thoughts are, if the Jets and Skins were just doing a Ramsey for draft pick deal, it would have been done by now. But were not, Abraham is in the works, and unless the CBA doesn't get done, Abe will be a Skin. Not saying I want him, but thats my thoughts. Thanks for the excellent post! It's hard to find intelligent thinking on this board anymore. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 a startng QB value > a starting DE value Depends on who you're talking about. Abrahams considered a top flight DE in a market that's thin with players of his caliber. Ramsey's a serviceable QB in a market that looks to be rich in players of his caliber or better. I think Abrahams value is higher then Ramsey's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345822 Len's new article, dragging down Ramsey's worth (how many times has he done this). If we are trying to get Abraham we will have to throw in a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseGoForTheWin Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Abe would be good to have here, and I think it's best for Ramsey to move on, but I'm not sure that the trade will work out. Abe is going to want a big chunk of change (more than what we're paying Ramsey right now, anyway), and the team can't afford it. I think that Ramsey and a mid-round pick for Abe is a good deal, but money is going to be our biggest problem. Our D-Line is very expensive right now as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 The Jets probably also want Ramsey b/c they feel him and Coles may have a good repoire with each other already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I think we trade Pram for Abraham and swap 2nd round picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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